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And in Oregon it USED to be the West side. No so anymore.The Liberals in Texas are pretty much limited to the east side of the state.
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And in Oregon it USED to be the West side. No so anymore.The Liberals in Texas are pretty much limited to the east side of the state.
easy brother, NORTHwestAnd in Oregon it USED to be the West side. No so anymore.
HELLO.....you are my hero today. I almost wrote out the same point and just said EFF it...letem go, no heartIt's crappy to see so many people talking about jumping ship, but in the end it's kind of like a rat jumping from the sinking ship onto a over crowded life boat in a storm, there will be no sanctuary there in time.
Do you come here just to create conflict among us? The 2nd Amendment is sacred to most of us. I won't vote for for ANYONE who is anti-gun or pro-gun control, period. But there are Democrats in Oregon who are staunch gun rights supporters, and since Republicans are in the minority here it makes sense to support gun friendly Democrats like Betsy Johnson and Jeff Barker.
Here's the analysis from Oregon Firearms Federation, whom nobody would dare accuse of being "soft":
You seem to think that a simplistic "us vs them", anti-"liberal" outlook is the only viable position. I think that's a great way to lose every time. So, in my mind, you're coming here and sowing the seeds of conflict and disruption, and advocating a "sure lose" strategy. That leads me to ask, whose side are you really on?
Can I triple like this?
Hit the road JACK!!MY PLAN IS TO SEE OREGON IN MY REARVIEW MIRROR!!!!! CAPS ARE INTENTIONAL! I *AM* YELLING!
Ummm ........gotta disagree.....other than the s...holes of Houston/Dallas/San Antonio the conservatives are completely not gonna let this sh--t happen in Texas.........and .......wait for it......the winters in Montana/Wyoming are gonna keep the commies from ever infecting there!!!........lol.......You may want to pay a little more attention to what's happening in Texas. If you think that liberals can't take hold there too, you may find yourself surprised. I don't watch Texas closely, but even I'm hearing of liberal incursion into that traditionally conservative state. As far as I'm concerned there are no states that are 'safe' from the infection of the mindset that got us where we are today.
you guys cant be serious
everyone has their own style...
Keep squabling and picking at each other !
They just won another #ucking battle today Gator Monro is in this camp
Lets try to GD learn how to deal with each others diversities or we will NEVER be able to stand as one like those that passed that lame on us today
you guys cant be serious
everyone has their own style...
Keep squabling and #ucking picking at each other !
They just won another battle today Gator Monro is in this camp
Lets try to GD learn how to deal with each others diversities or we will NEVER be able to stand as one like those that passed that lame on us today
He has been saying the same thing a lot of us have and nobody listened. Now we have to fight for our rights because they were voted away. What makes you think people will vote the right way this time?
WELL...The whole point of that post and others directed at that member is too be more understanding of diversities. The idea that you do not read that or get that shows that "standing as one" is not the agenda. Standing as just republican gun owners is not the way to win anything. We need ALL pro gun advocates.
How is that confusing? We need to educate and change peoples minds. The rants about liberals only make us all look like ignorant hillbillies to them. No matter how we feel this is a PUBLIC forum. People read it. They read the "I hate all liberals" crap again and again they will never be willing to listen. We all need to learn to get along and explain our position calmly. Name calling just shuts people down. I stand on my own beliefs but their are many pro gun democrats on this site...I know a few.
If you want to "stand as one" then we need to learn that it is not just about us versus them. It has become clear to me and most that we need to be more willing to discus and explain our position in a manner that makes people listen.
Rants do not do that. Especially just bashing liberals. We want to win this we need to win some over. I cannot say it enough. We need an end game not just a piss and moan contest. I convinced my extremely liberal anti gun family member recently to change his opinion...calmly..with real facts. Calling him an idiot for his beliefs would not have been received at all. Now this "socially liberal" man went with me and bought a pistol.
You are asking birds to change their feathers. It takes common sense to make the best choices in government and it's obvious most Oregon voters have none. Is my speech divisive to point out the differences, well isn't that what diversity is all about... to divide us.
The efforts a lot of us made was to point out differences to get a better vote before the house fell down. Now all those that threw away our right want a cumbya where we all join hands and rebuild the house. Maybe folkes should have to live under the lawmakers they voted for so they can really feel what they have done?
I do not think they will. I think we need a better plan. Nobody is listening to the people so I have no idea where to go with that.
All I can do is continue to explain my position to them and hope that my position does not mean we have a damn war over this. I want these people all out of office. However I think we need to work together to do so. Working against any certain group just takes those possible votes away.
I cannot stand many liberal beliefs. I just know we have emailed, called, and done what we can...least I did.
Now we need to find a way to get more people on our side.....or start a war. I prefer the first one as of now.