Oregon Poll: Salem 9/25/18 Counter AWB Protest

[tiggers97]

Won't be able to make it myself.

Thinking about it today, they will most likely repeat the IP43 tag line " When the AQB went into effect, mass shootings went down. And when it expired, they went up". Sometimes quoted as something like a decrease by 40%, followed by an increase of 200%.

The problem for them is that while that is true, mass shootings with non-"assault weapons" were not only 3-4 times as frequent, but followed the same trend. Never mind crime in general was decreasing as well.

So how did the law affect the non-assault weapon mass shootings the same way?

It's like if people kept getting news reports of cat attacks on the news. "Help us, we need to do something!". So someone proposes a 10 year ban on cats. "oh look!, animal attacks dropped when the ban was in place", they will say. But neglecting to tell anyone that dog attacks (not affected by the ban) were 3-4 times more prevalent, and followed a nearly identical decrease and increase. If the ban was against cats, how did all other types of animal attacks follow the same pettern?

 

[titsonritz]

Edit: WOW. Looking at "Rev" Chuck Currie is really enlightening. So much self righteous ego on display, wrapped up in the bible as cover. Yet people 'follow' him. I can see how cults like the Moonies get started.

Don't knock the Moonies, at least they are pro 2A, unlike this puke.

Two sons of Rev. Moon have split from his church — and their followers are armed

 

[nwslopoke]

I did go the the thing? Pleasantly surprised it wasn't much of a rally for their side. The red EveryTown brigade was not there even though they used FB and other media. I guess they had 40-60 people including speakers and what looked like building employees on their break. Actual AWB sign holders was very low. 10-15 signs. So it looks like when Bloomberg isn't offering free lunch and a ride to the casino they don't turn up.

In contrast, the 2A supporters stood across the street. My guess, give or take, 30 people. There was a fair amount of support from drivers as they pased by. I spoke with a few 2A supporters, half retirement age the other half in their 30s. Again, just my guess. My take away was there wasn't a lot of support for the AWB at this point.

 

[titsonritz]

Again, just my guess. My take away was there wasn't a lot of support for the AWB at this point.

Bull-pucky, the latest poll says 75% of of gun owner support an AWB.

 

[nwslopoke]

Just saying what I saw. Compare it to other IP# where two rooms full of red shirts show up.

 

[tiggers97]

I did go the the thing? Pleasantly surprised it wasn't much of a rally for their side.

Thank you for going and sharing observations.

Was there any theme to their speakers? Catch phrases or repeated slogans/statistics? Outrageous quotes?

 

[v0lcom13sn0w]

I did go the the thing? Pleasantly surprised it wasn't much of a rally for their side. The red EveryTown brigade was not there even though they used FB and other media. I guess they had 40-60 people including speakers and what looked like building employees on their break. Actual AWB sign holders was very low. 10-15 signs. So it looks like when Bloomberg isn't offering free lunch and a ride to the casino they don't turn up.

In contrast, the 2A supporters stood across the street. My guess, give or take, 30 people. There was a fair amount of support from drivers as they pased by. I spoke with a few 2A supporters, half retirement age the other half in their 30s. Again, just my guess. My take away was there wasn't a lot of support for the AWB at this point.

ive lived in the salem/keizer area my whole life. trust me when i say we're (the majority for now) pro gun here.

it doesnt surprise me people driving by were supportive. its a good thing!!!

 

[nwslopoke]

Thank you for going and sharing observations.

Was there any theme to their speakers? Catch phrases or repeated slogans/statistics? Outrageous quotes?

I got there just before noon. There was a school bus for kids on a field trip being shown an alpaca, blocking most of the view from across the street. I couldn't make out most of what they were saying except the standard, do something, we won't wait, ect.

There was a middle aged black woman who sang a few songs (evoking Jesus's name, which I thought would send that group running). I have to admit, she had a nice voice. Even some of our folks were clapping. Honestly, the volume from their speakers was pretty low. They started to break down their setup by 12:45 and I noticed a number of people walking away had work badges on. Hmm, was it just to make up the meager numbers? Were they allowed an extended lunch of they showed up? Their group had a FB post under, Lift Every Voice, from yesterday listing todays event.

 

[Goosebrown]

Bull-pucky, the latest poll says 75% of of gun owner support an AWB.

I heard it 116% myself.

 

[titsonritz]

Just saying what I saw. Compare it to other IP# where two rooms full of red shirts show up.

Check you sarcasm meter, I think the battery may be dead.

 

[Aero Denezol]

Thank you all for going.. there is nothing in the Statesman Journal about it today (no press is good news).

75% may support an AWB, but the 25% that don't will vote as a bloc right down the ticket, and possibly tip the scale on other ballot measures. So, the nanny state lovers have a real conundrum, because they have a laundry list of wants, of which our guns are just one (1) thing. That's my theory at least..

 

[tiggers97]

Well, almost 24 hours later, and no news media is reporting on it. Either means the media really isn't interested (for a change), or the politicians really don't want it on the voters radars just before November elections.

 

[Camelfilter]

... or the politicians really don't want it on the voters radars just before November elections.

This, more than likely.

Especially, as @Aero Denezol mentions, the more likely hood of our side voting as a block down the ticket.

 

[titsonritz]

75% may support an AWB, but the 25% that don't will vote as a bloc right down the ticket, and possibly tip the scale on other ballot measures. So, the nanny state lovers have a real conundrum, because they have a laundry list of wants, of which our guns are just one (1) thing. That's my theory at least..

For the record, 75% DO NOT support an AWB, I pulled that number from the same place they did, out if thin air.

 

[titsonritz]

Well, almost 24 hours later, and no news media is reporting on it. Either means the media really isn't interested (for a change), or the politicians really don't want it on the voters radars just before November elections.

Of course not, what would they report? "Nobody came to our party."

 

[crossbow5]

The online version of the Salem Statesman Journal has 15 photos, entitled "Gun safety rally held during Legislative Days at Oregon Capitol". A very brief write-up. One of the photos shows the pro-firearm group and one of the photos is of an alpaca or llama.

 

[tiggers97]

The online version of the Salem Statesman Journal has 15 photos, entitled "Gun safety rally held during Legislative Days at Oregon Capitol". A very brief write-up. One of the photos shows the pro-firearm group and one of the photos is of an alpaca or llama.

Good catch. I missed it when I looked.
Sounds like it wouldn't hurt to encourage people to send in a few emails/phonecalls while legislatures are "open" to input this week.

 

[nammac]

Like the sign that 67% of Oregonians support an AWB... Perhaps they have a misplaced decimal, maybe it's more like 6.7%...

 

[Aero Denezol]

The online version of the Salem Statesman Journal has 15 photos, entitled "Gun safety rally held during Legislative Days at Oregon Capitol". A very brief write-up. One of the photos shows the pro-firearm group and one of the photos is of an alpaca or llama.

Just saw it on Twitter. Looks like the usual losers. You could draw a caricature of the type of person who protests guns, they all look the same.

& BTW that Pastor is blowhard windbag full of phony stories that feature himself, I've heard 100 other Pastors just like him and all of them need to be smacked in the face.

 

[titsonritz]

Like the sign that 67% of Oregonians support an AWB... Perhaps they have a misplaced decimal, maybe it's more like 6.7%...

Na man, it should read "67% of Ogre-ronians support an AWB".

Oregonians - not so much