National Russian gun-rights advocate who sought to build ties with NRA, charged with acting as covert agent

[mkwerx]

There are more and more dems abandining their party and taking the red pill. Even the soap eating millennials are waking up and jumping ship from the dems. There will be no blue tide in November nor will Joe Biden ever become POTUS. The US economy responds faster than a year. There were instantaneous results from the tax cut - bonuses at big corporations for *all* employees, higher wages, and reinvestments. Obama did not do that.

Putin has not gotten anything he wanted except a cooling of tension between us. North Korea is denuclearizing. Trump is not acknowledging the legitimacy if the Crimean annexation, NATO is in no danger of anything except paying their fair share. We have a President putting our interests first and showing the rest if the world he doesn't give a damn what they think.

2018 is going to see more conservative victories. The democrats are cranking hard left and the American people are not going to have it. Even California with its top two BS has more republican candidates, and a republican on the ballot for governor this year. The DNC is crumbling and their media lackeys are doing all they can to sabotage the Trump admin, but its not going to work.

 

[Goosebrown]

Well, don't worry about it, 'cause it ain't gonna happen.

I just added him to my ignore list.

 

[Boboclown]

More likely the Russians are trying to weaken the NRA so the liberals can disarm America. Then they won't have an armed populace to worry about when their puppets attempt to take over the USA.

It seems like some former warsaw countries are trying to form their own 2nd Amendment right and gun rights groups.

But I guess wanting the NRA's help to do that means they're up to no good and are doing some secret agent sh!t.

 

[Diamondback]

2018 is going to see more conservative victories. The democrats are cranking hard left and the American people are not going to have it. Even California with its top two BS has more republican candidates, and a republican on the ballot for governor this year. The DNC is crumbling and their media lackeys are doing all they can to sabotage the Trump admin, but its not going to work.

Would that the same were true here in Double-Down-on-Dumbf*ckery-At-EVERY-Opportunity WA... sanity will only come to the Soviet Socialist SUCKocracy of Seattlestan via imposition at bayonet-point, and will only last as long as the bayonet-pointing.

 

[Provincial]

It seems like some former warsaw countries are trying to form their own 2nd Amendment right and gun rights groups.

But I guess wanting the NRA's help to do that means they're up to no good and are doing some secret agent sh!t.

The former Warsaw Pact countries were allied with Russia at bayonet point, and as a result understand the concept of freedom and self-defense! More power to them, and we should help them with their own 2nd Amendment projects!

I suspect that the State Department under the previous Administration was not much help for this.

 

[MilitantBEEMER]

Here we go.

1. it take about 12-18 months to 'move the economy'...if you think the 2017 economic growth was due to the person talking office in January of that year; you simply have no clue on how big the US Economy is and how slow it moves.
2. Those same tax cuts are adding to a national debt that will soon be at a point where it cannot be reduced. The interest costs will soon consume so much money, that even with huge cuts in spending the debt will still go up. This was probably our last chance to reduce the debt before it got out of hand....and the current Congress (with the backing of the POTUS) did nothing.
3. What burdensome executive orders? How has the average citizens life been overly impacted by these executive orders? BTW, all POTUS, from both parties issues Executive Orders.
4. ISIS was being decimated on the battlefield before Trump came to power....but Trump has kept the last 'ramp up' in place. So I will at least say this statement is mostly true.
5. Stronger Military? What makes today's Military stronger? I guess technically you are correct, every year our military forces get better equipment and training...so, yes, in theory every day (or year) or administration our Military is stronger.
6. SCOTUS...will be filled with people who believe in 1/2 of the Constitution. Both Republicans and Democrats only believe in about 1/2 of the Constitution...so it just matters which 1/2 you believe in. Being a member of the Libertarian Party, I believe in the entire Constitution....but Trump will not pick any Libertarians for the SCOTUS.

How about these:
--Weakened Nato
--Weakened relationships will allies.
--Increased National debt
--Has passed very few major pieces of policy legislation
--Started a trade war that no one will win...we cannot beat China in a trade war, while we are still part of the WTO. Because this country has laws and the rule of law...so we cannot place NTTBs on Chinese goods. China is not restricted in that regard...they could eliminate all tariffs tomorrow, and simply put in place NTTBs that would keep out US goods & services for decades. The only smart thing Trump has said about Trade is that he MIGHT pull the US out of the WTO. Going back to unilateral trade agreements would be a major policy victory for the US...but so far it is just talk.
--Weakened freedom of the Press...which is the public's way of keeping government in check.
--Goes off on rants and makes up facts that undermine the office of POTUS...and makes us all look like fools and idiots.
--Is a pathological liar...he will lie and make up facts with no regard to rather they have any semblance to the truth.

So if none of the good is because of Trump and all the bad is because of Trump, would we have been better off with Hillary? Was Obama a better President in your view? Considering you seem to be giving his administration the credit for our current roaring economy, I am very curious as to your thoughts on the above.

 

[rscinsc]

I do not know if Hillary would be better or worse. The 2A is directly tied to control of the US Senate...so there is not much Hillary could have done. The only 2A restriction that Obama's administration put in place, that impacted me, was the move towards requiring all members of an NFA Trust to get fully qualified (BG Check, Fingerprints, etc // i live in an area where CLEO signatures are not a problem). Since some of my Trust members are out of state, that impacts me. However, Trump has NOT MOVED to change that requirement. So Trump has done nothing for me, in terms of the 2A.
The move to ban 7N6 was kind of BS (very few, if any of those 5.45 mm pistols were ever sold)...but it fully followed the law. Again, we have a fully republican congress & POTUS...and I see no movement towards changing any of these laws. What about the "hearing protection act"...dead. It is dead because the NRA has sold out to the republican party; republicans know that the NRA will always endorse their candidate...so why burn political capital on 2A causes? There was a time when Harry Reid got NRA money, and he was considered at least neutral on the 2A...then the NRA decided to only back Republicans, and turned on Reid during a re-election. After that Reid, who was a very powerful senator, was 100% anti 2A. Very, very, very stupid move on the NRAs part.

Obama is probably the 3rd best President of my voting lifetime (Reagan, Clinton, Obama, Bush Sr, Bush Jr)...however, unlike most of this board I am not a single issue (2A) voter.
The Obama administration spent too much money on fiscal stimulus, some stimulus was required, but we spent too much (which was all debt). The Trump Economy is TBD...IMO, and that of most Economists it takes about 1 year for the Economy to be moved by the Executive Branch (the Fed can move the Economy quicker, but is normally slower to act). So we started the Trump impacted Economy in the 1st quarter of this year. The current Economic recovery has been going on since 2013.
The downside of the current Economic recovery, that no one can explain, is why wages are NOT rising? With the current employment numbers, we should be seeing larger wage increases, but we are not. This could be Automation, off-shoring, or some other factor...but is the biggest drag on the recovery.

 

[MilitantBEEMER]

I do not know if Hillary would be better or worse. The 2A is directly tied to control of the US Senate...so there is not much Hillary could have done. The only 2A restriction that Obama's administration put in place, that impacted me, was the move towards requiring all members of an NFA Trust to get fully qualified (BG Check, Fingerprints, etc // i live in an area where CLEO signatures are not a problem). Since some of my Trust members are out of state, that impacts me. However, Trump has NOT MOVED to change that requirement. So Trump has done nothing for me, in terms of the 2A.
The move to ban 7N6 was kind of BS (very few, if any of those 5.45 mm pistols were ever sold)...but it fully followed the law. Again, we have a fully republican congress & POTUS...and I see no movement towards changing any of these laws. What about the "hearing protection act"...dead. It is dead because the NRA has sold out to the republican party; republicans know that the NRA will always endorse their candidate...so why burn political capital on 2A causes? There was a time when Harry Reid got NRA money, and he was considered at least neutral on the 2A...then the NRA decided to only back Republicans, and turned on Reid during a re-election. After that Reid, who was a very powerful senator, was 100% anti 2A. Very, very, very stupid move on the NRAs part.

Obama is probably the 3rd best President of my voting lifetime (Reagan, Clinton, Obama, Bush Sr, Bush Jr)...however, unlike most of this board I am not a single issue (2A) voter.
The Obama administration spent too much money on fiscal stimulus, some stimulus was required, but we spent too much (which was all debt). The Trump Economy is TBD...IMO, and that of most Economists it takes about 1 year for the Economy to be moved by the Executive Branch (the Fed can move the Economy quicker, but is normally slower to act). So we started the Trump impacted Economy in the 1st quarter of this year. The current Economic recovery has been going on since 2013.
The downside of the current Economic recovery, that no one can explain, is why wages are NOT rising? With the current employment numbers, we should be seeing larger wage increases, but we are not. This could be Automation, off-shoring, or some other factor...but is the biggest drag on the recovery.

See that is where we will never see eye to eye. IMHO Obama was the worst President in modern history, he and his administration did more to fundamentally change the US in a negative way in 8 short years than many realized. Single handedly destroyed the best medical system in the world, facilitated the transfer of guns to Mexican drug cartels that caused untold murder and mayhem including US Border Agent, used the IRS to crush opposing political views, doubled the national debt, inflamed race relations and on and on.
Trump was not my first choice, but I'll be damned if I would ever vote for the Clinton cartel. You may not be a single issue voter, but 2a protects the rest. Trump has stopped the progression of anti gun bills and is putting a Sumpreme Court in place That should help protect from further erosion.

 

[rscinsc]

Except you have no facts or logic to backup your claims...so it really doesn't matter. The one item above that is completely true (and not hyperbole) is the fast and furious issue. Which BTW, started under Bush & everyone agrees was a mistake. But do you really think the mexican cartels have problems getting guns? Do you think that BP agent would not have been shot if fast and furious did not exist?
I will repeat the question, that you fail to answer....if Trump is such a Pro 2A guy, then why has Congress not passed any laws to strengthen 2A protections? The entire government is Republican controlled, yet I have seen no changes to federal law or rule that helps the 2A. Why is the Hearing Protection Act going nowhere? Why is 7N6 ammo not been exempted by law or ATF letter? Why did Trump say he would take guns without due process? Christ, even Tucker Carlson called him out on that one!!
The reason is simple, he doesn't have too. He knows he has the NRA propaganda machine working for him, so why expend political capital if you are going to get the votes anyway...why buy the Cow, when you get the milk for free!!!
Years ago Karl Rowe talked about how Bush had the Evangelical vote wrapped up, so he really didn't have to do much for their members...they had no one else to vote for. Pro 2A, single issue voters are in the exact same boat with Trump.

 

[Laughingman]

The current Leaders of this Administration (trump and friends) likely don't really care about 2nd Amendment issues. They have expensive security details with lots of guns, They are there to enrich themselves.. Never trust a man who never paid back a loan in his life, (and cheats at golf)...

 

[DuneHopper]

Never trust a man who never paid back a loan in his life, (and cheats at golf)...

So pretty much every President we have had?
If you look back every single one has had issues and cheats on wife or something.

 

[Boboclown]

So pretty much every President we have had?
If you look back every single one has had issues and cheats on wife or something.

I mean, one bled on his wife. How rude.

Okay, maybe too morbid...

 

[WasrNwarpaint]

obama was the worst president ever and time will prove more than has been exposed so far

to fix the country the only thing Trump had to do was to UNDO everything obama did and the country took off like a rocket, obama tried to bring the USA to its knees by choking the economy and bullsteining everyone "this is the new norm" so he could say this capitolism isnt working lets try socialism..... oh yeah forgot...and just like isis the new norm, just bullstein from another muslim bent on ruining our country.

isnt it strange trump says one thing most didnt agree with and the old anti trumpers here come out of the woodwork....your hate for Trump exceeds your love of the country and our constitution, are you feeling emboldened all of a sudden? ha! get ready for a second Trump term
last election there was a mass exodus of the democratic party & we were the critical thinkers that didnt get sucked into the koolaid drunken delusion ...now even the democrats that arent too bright are leaving out of disgust for the daily leftist insanity .....

I mean really, if nancy pelosi, cryin chuck schumer, maxine "impeach 45" waters, Pocahontas, adam bull schiff, dianne frankenstein, the rich, but socialist bernie sanders, etc etc and lest we forget the queen of the cartel & and her husband president rapist is your idea of rational critical thinking political leaders then your judgement is in SERIOUS QUESTION.

you just continue to vote for gun control by default because gun control is the only consistent message the dims have, frankly Im offended by gun owners that vote democrat/socialist or whom ever the hell you think you guys are these days and really I dont think you care as long as you think socialism will give you something free and nothing in this world is free

the blue wave turned into a clear acidic tear drop and Im not tired of winning yet!

 

[MilitantBEEMER]

Except you have no facts or logic to backup your claims...so it really doesn't matter. The one item above that is completely true (and not hyperbole) is the fast and furious issue. Which BTW, started under Bush & everyone agrees was a mistake. But do you really think the mexican cartels have problems getting guns? Do you think that BP agent would not have been shot if fast and furious did not exist?
I will repeat the question, that you fail to answer....if Trump is such a Pro 2A guy, then why has Congress not passed any laws to strengthen 2A protections? The entire government is Republican controlled, yet I have seen no changes to federal law or rule that helps the 2A. Why is the Hearing Protection Act going nowhere? Why is 7N6 ammo not been exempted by law or ATF letter? Why did Trump say he would take guns without due process? Christ, even Tucker Carlson called him out on that one!!
The reason is simple, he doesn't have too. He knows he has the NRA propaganda machine working for him, so why expend political capital if you are going to get the votes anyway...why buy the Cow, when you get the milk for free!!!
Years ago Karl Rowe talked about how Bush had the Evangelical vote wrapped up, so he really didn't have to do much for their members...they had no one else to vote for. Pro 2A, single issue voters are in the exact same boat with Trump.

No facts or logic? Wow are you that blind and intellectually DISHONEST?? You have an excuse for everything Obama did wrong (GWB's Fault). Sure cartel could get guns otherwise, however it WAS a fast and furious gun used to kill the border agent. GWB program was similar but not the same and it was scrapped before this debacle. Eric Holder even admitted in an email that The gun running program was good as it would help the Obama administration push more gun controls.
Trump may not be passing pro 2A legislation but we are also not seeing any new legislation even after some pretty horrific situations. I don't typically look for Federal or Stte Government to pass legislation to keep me safe, in fact I prefer they pass as little as possible. HPA would be nice but not a big deal, as far as national reciprocity, NO, feds do not need to be involved, stay out of it.
Again we are not going to see eyes to eye on this, you are obviously not going to change your views and neither am I. One last question though, if you are not a steadfast supporter of the 2a, why are you on this forum? To agitate, to spread your progressive views?

 

[rscinsc]

The BP agent was not shot by a fast and furious gun...2 were found at the scene, but were not presented as the guns that killed BP agent.
I am a supporter of the entire Constitution and not just the 2A....and as instaed, the key to the 2A is the senate; and trump puts control of that chamber in jeopardy.

 

[WasrNwarpaint]

The BP agent was not shot by a fast and furious gun...2 were found at the scene, but were not presented as the guns that killed BP agent.
I am a supporter of the entire Constitution and not just the 2A....and as instaed, the key to the 2A is the senate; and trump puts control of that chamber in jeopardy.

INCORRECT ......the key to the 2A is not voting demorat its the party's only consistent message

 

[DuneHopper]

isnt it strange trump says one thing most didnt agree with and the old anti trumpers here come out of the woodwork....your hate for Trump exceeds your love of the country and our constitution, are you feeling emboldened all of a sudden?!

I noticed that over the last few months many (that has been here along time) are seeing discussion with the left as a solution, having tried that myself I can say there is no discussing Pro-Guns with Democrats. Why some may be pro-gun as they claim
that really doesn't matter if the party you support is against what you say you believe. And that right there is overlooked every time a topic like this comes up. A larger more dramatic example is, The Germans were against the Holocaust, but were for Hitler.
That is the same logic that just wont work, it doesn't fit and resolves nothing, saying the sky is purple when its blue wont make it purple.

 

[2506]

See that is where we will never see eye to eye. IMHO Obama was the worst President in modern history, he and his administration did more to fundamentally change the US in a negative way in 8 short years than many realized. Single handedly destroyed the best medical system in the world, facilitated the transfer of guns to Mexican drug cartels that caused untold murder and mayhem including US Border Agent, used the IRS to crush opposing political views, doubled the national debt, inflamed race relations and on and on.
Trump was not my first choice, but I'll be damned if I would ever vote for the Clinton cartel. You may not be a single issue voter, but 2a protects the rest. Trump has stopped the progression of anti gun bills and is putting a Sumpreme Court in place That should help protect from further erosion.

The best medical system in the world? I just put my after-lunch coffee all over my keyboard, I LOL-ed so hard.

 

[MilitantBEEMER]

The best medical system in the world? I just put my after-lunch coffee all over my keyboard, I LOL-ed so hard.

Absolutely the BEST medical system in the world before being destroyed by the POS Obamacare that was shoved down our throats. My monthly rates have since quadrupled for the same plan and each year higher deductibles and less coverage. Harry Reid even admitted that what they really wanted was a single payer system but had to babystep with O Care. O Care was designed to be a failure in order to give the Dems leverage to push for a total government takeover.
I was In Cleveland Clinic for open heart surgery and they have a whole wing for patients from foreign countries that come in for life saving surgeries that they are not able to get in their countries due to poor government controlled healthcare. You will find the same at Mayo clinic and other top notch facilities. Recently had a friend come down from Canada for a lifesaving surgery since he could not wait the 6 months given to him by the Canadian government. So yes we HAD the best Healthcare system in the world.

 

[DuneHopper]

Absolutely the BEST medical system in the world before being destroyed by the POS Obamacare that was shoved down our throats. My monthly rates have since quadrupled for the same plan and each year higher deductibles and less coverage.

I have not been able to use my insurance yet all year, oh Ive been to the doctor so has the Mrs but until we meet our 3K
each person delectable they cover zero on everything. And our cost monthy tripled. and not one single item is covered.