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Rebellion in america

Discussion in 'General Firearm Discussion' started by HappyRoman, Mar 16, 2010.

  1. HappyRoman

    HappyRoman Sherwood Forest Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Check this out.. it's started..

    REBELLION IN AMERICA

    5th state exempts guns. Is Washington noticing?
    'I think they're going to let it ride, hoping some judge throws out case'

    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=128035

    this link will take you to the article posted today.. This the NOW news.

    :)HappyR
     
  2. Gunner3456

    Gunner3456 Salem Well-Known Member

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    "...and Wyoming, which took the unusual step of specifying criminal penalties – including both fines and jail time – for federal agents attempting to enforce a federal law on a "personal firearm" in the Cowboy State."

    Ya gotta love it. :thumbup:
     
  3. tallshipsgo

    tallshipsgo Springfield OR Well-Known Member

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    That's the part the cracked me up the most! I'm waiting to hear of the first case where this is applied. :)
     
  4. Blitzkrieg

    Blitzkrieg WA Well-Known Member

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    It's awesome. Let the rebellion grow!
     
  5. aslinged

    aslinged Southern Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Rebellion is the wrong word. Reassertion (of state's rights) accurate.

    Rebellion implies legitimacy, of which there is none with regard to the Fed's overwatch.
     
  6. Blitzkrieg

    Blitzkrieg WA Well-Known Member

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    I consider the Fed to be illegitimate and an occupying force. Therefore we rebel against our alien oppressors, who have overturned the original Republic
     
  7. djm68

    djm68 Portland, OR Member

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    This is simply a beautiful thing. Warms my heart...
     
  8. longcolt

    longcolt Zephyrhills, FL Active Member

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    I suspect this will head to the supreme court at some point.

    Obama has not been making any points with that branch of government with his comments during the state of the Union address. It will be interesting to sit and watch to see how this all plays out.

    The BATF is a tough outfit that has been hard on FFLs over the past few years. Closed down about half of them I believe. They are not going to be happy with states that attempt to neuter their authority.
     
  9. Gunner3456

    Gunner3456 Salem Well-Known Member

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    I don't think the administration would have a chance of winning a case before the SC right now. I think the SC is just waiting for a chance to flex its muscles and prove its independence.
     
  10. onearmedswordsman

    onearmedswordsman Hillsboro, OR Member

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    Interesting! So, if I get this right, technically, SD would pass laws regulating NFA devices, preepmting NFA and neutering BATFE! ummm! Like they could allow civilians to mfg new automated weapons and suppressors. :) Not that I think they will, but... Oh, boy! Looks like CWII is boiling up!
     
  11. onearmedswordsman

    onearmedswordsman Hillsboro, OR Member

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    Oh! Check that "pending legislation or pending plans" map! WA has something on the works. And OR does not :angry:
     
  12. rdb241

    rdb241 Puyallup Washington Gold Supporter Gold Supporter

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    Man I wish they built airplanes in Wyoming. All that hunting and now flipping there nose at the Feds. Let the revolution succeed...................:thumbup:
     
  13. SnackCracker

    SnackCracker Lake oswego, OR Member

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  14. Blitzkrieg

    Blitzkrieg WA Well-Known Member

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    Weird, isn't it? OR has full auto and you would think they would be on the track faster than WA..

    A lot of pro gunners have been fleeing 3rd world cesspools like Cali for the PNW. It's going to get really interesting, soon !
     
  15. PromptCritical

    PromptCritical Oregon City, OR Member

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    Oregon allows full auto and such because banning it just isn't on the radar politically. Make no mistake, if something were to upset that, we would probably lose big time.
     
  16. Gunner3456

    Gunner3456 Salem Well-Known Member

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    The clause in the Oregon constitution about the right to keep and bear arms is much stronger than the one in the US constitution because it lacks the part about "a well regulated militia" which brings up debate.

    This is good stuff:

    Article 1, Section 27, Oregon Constitution.

    Right to bear arms; military subordinate to civil power.

    The people shall have the right to bear arms for the defence [sic] of themselves, and the State, but the Military shall be kept in strict subordination to the civil power
     
  17. onearmedswordsman

    onearmedswordsman Hillsboro, OR Member

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    Just read this paper posted at the FFA website. Interesting read. Full of legalese, so open a M-W window while you read. Make sure you also read footnote 33. Notice passing these laws is only the first step. Powers Congress and the Feds have seized over time from the States now need to be challenged once again. Old decision need to be overturned, diminished or narrowed. Need to keep an eye on the court action, for now being called MSSA v. Holder.

    http://firearmsfreedomact.com/Mark_Webb_-_Firearms_Freedom_Act2.doc
     
  18. 45_70Sharps

    45_70Sharps Raymond Member

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    I think your came pretty close to nailing it.
    I might change that to personal rights. That's what the constitution is all about, and the states are simply standing up for personal rights.

    I sure would like to see this make a loud headline and then go right to the supreme court. Preferably with a violation by a federal employee involved so that the entire scope of the laws can be judged.

    I have no doubt that the states are right, but you never know how a court will rule. This could be a start to a lot of unconstitutional laws being challenged by states or individuals if things go the right way.
    If they passed a ruling about interstate commerce being applied to whatever they see fit, it could have a huge impact since that has been used as a basis for many unconstitutional actions.

    It's about time for the federal government to understand that the constitution isn't something to be looked at only if you think you can try and put strange new meanings to what it says as a way to restrict people.
    The entire purpose of it is to tell the government how to do their business and to protect the rights of the people. The founding fathers were not concerned with giving power to the government.
    The federal government is only suppose to exist as a "union" of the free states so that they could have power in numbers in the important matters such as foreign affairs and defense!! They are not suppose to take from the rich (code for working class) and give to the poor ( lazy or people they owe favors to) and they are not suppose to tell us or our states how to run our lives!
     
  19. longcolt

    longcolt Zephyrhills, FL Active Member

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    Good summary: But remember to a Socialist the Constitution is a fluid document and can be rewritten at any time to allow the pursuit of a particular agenda. We have several members of Congress that appear to have risen above being controlled by any ole Document written back in the days when us farmers liked to cling to our guns, jugs of hooch and bibles. Hope and Change does not include adherence to the Constitution or the Bill of Rights.
     
  20. Blitzkrieg

    Blitzkrieg WA Well-Known Member

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    Sad to hear that it's just a vestage :(