Preparing for Lack of Water World

[slimmer13]

As recently as 3 years I've seen people on gun forums insisting that the Antarctica wasn't melting.

That's because it's not. The Artic is melting, the Antarctic is growing. Give it an old googeroo

 

[RX-79G]

That's because it's not. The Artic is melting, the Antarctic is growing. Give it an old googeroo

The Antarctic loses a billion metric tons of ice every 2 days. Growing how?

 

[slimmer13]

The Antarctic loses a billion metric tons of ice every 2 days. Growing how?

Because despite annual fluctuation, the half century trend is positive ice growth with no sign of changing.

Antarctic sea ice

Antarctic sea ice is gradually increasing for a number of reasons, including changes in winds, increased ocean stratification and increased freshwater flux from melting glaciers and ice caps.

www.antarcticglaciers.org

Why is Antarctica's sea ice increasing again?

Scientists at NYUAD want to find out why ice cover in one of the world’s last wildernesses has been expanding over the past decades - when it is being lost everywhere else

www.thenationalnews.com

New Perspectives on the Enigma of Expanding Antarctic Sea Ice - Eos

Recent research offers new insights on Antarctic sea ice, which, despite global warming, has increased in overall extent over the past 40 years.

eos.org

Reality check: Antarctic sea ice has been growing, not shrinking

First wordRESEARCH studies challenging the climate change narrative of the United Nations are multiplying in a hurry as the hour draws near for the convening of the 26th UN...

www.google.com

 

[ma96782]

RE : Post #140

Nope.....just trying.....to make stuff easier for some people to understand. IMHO, not EVERYTHING requires a detailed EXPLAINATION to be understandable enough.



Aloha, Mark

 

[RX-79G]

Because despite annual fluctuation, the half century trend is positive ice growth with no sign of changing.

Antarctic sea ice

Antarctic sea ice is gradually increasing for a number of reasons, including changes in winds, increased ocean stratification and increased freshwater flux from melting glaciers and ice caps.

www.antarcticglaciers.org

Why is Antarctica's sea ice increasing again?

Scientists at NYUAD want to find out why ice cover in one of the world’s last wildernesses has been expanding over the past decades - when it is being lost everywhere else

www.thenationalnews.com

New Perspectives on the Enigma of Expanding Antarctic Sea Ice - Eos

Recent research offers new insights on Antarctic sea ice, which, despite global warming, has increased in overall extent over the past 40 years.

eos.org

Reality check: Antarctic sea ice has been growing, not shrinking

First wordRESEARCH studies challenging the climate change narrative of the United Nations are multiplying in a hurry as the hour draws near for the convening of the 26th UN...

www.google.com

Okay, what you are reading about is how the surface area of the Antarctic is growing. And it is growing because the Antarctic is melting and then partially re-freezing when it hits the ocean. Which is like how you frost a cake. But the total amount of ice is decreasing, the ice shelf is getting thinner and the surface area is meaningless.

So were you aware of the facts but think the area is the only thing that matters, or were you being disingenuous?

 

[VinnieBoomBah]

RE : Post #140

Nope.....just trying.....to make stuff easier for some people to understand. IMHO, not EVERYTHING requires a detailed EXPLAINATION to be understandable enough.

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Aloha, Mark

Post #140? Why. . . . . that's meeeeeeeeeee!

Not asking for a detailed explanation and I'm sure you know it. So what is the general point that you are trying to make it easier for 'some people' to understand?

 

[GWS]

The Antarctic loses a billion metric tons of ice every 2 days. Growing how?

I imagine its because there's more ice is freezing than there is melting.
https://www.antarcticglaciers.org/g...arly reaches ever,a record for maximum extent.

 

[RX-79G]

I imagine its because there's more ice is freezing than there is melting.
https://www.antarcticglaciers.org/glaciers-and-climate/changing-antarctica/antarctic-sea-ice/#:~:text=The Arctic regularly reaches ever,a record for maximum extent.:~:text=The Arctic regularly reaches ever,a record for maximum extent.

No, more surface area of the sea is freezing, but the total ice mass is shrinking.

 

[ma96782]

Re : Post #146

General Point

Less people in America = less consumption in America

Note.

Profile of the Unauthorized Population - US

Learn about the estimated 11.4 million unauthorized immigrants living in the United States—where do they live? When did they arrive in the United States, and from which origin countries? What are their levels of education, top industries of employment, income, parental and marital status, health...

www.migrationpolicy.org

And now that Brandon is running things? Do you think that the situation has gotten better? Yeah....Covid had it's effect too.

Then, add in some water facts.

18 Shocking Water Consumption Statistics and Facts for 2024

Water consumption statistics show an average American household uses about 300 gallons of water daily. Find out more about water consumption.

comfyliving.net

Yeah......so people come to America to live the American life style. Otherwise.....why come? Wanna live like you did "back home"......then, don't come.

To SOME it's clear. To others......maybe not so much. Whatever.

WAIT, Wait, wait......
Were those FACTS cleared by The Ministry of Truth before publication?

Aloha, Mark

 

[RX-79G]

Re : Post #146

General Point

Less people in America = less consumption in America

Note.

Profile of the Unauthorized Population - US

Learn about the estimated 11.4 million unauthorized immigrants living in the United States—where do they live? When did they arrive in the United States, and from which origin countries? What are their levels of education, top industries of employment, income, parental and marital status, health...

www.migrationpolicy.org

And now that Brandon is running things? Do you think that the situation has gotten better? Yeah....Covid had it's effect too.

Then, add in some water facts.

18 Shocking Water Consumption Statistics and Facts for 2024

Water consumption statistics show an average American household uses about 300 gallons of water daily. Find out more about water consumption.

comfyliving.net

Yeah......so people come to America to live the American life style. Otherwise.....why come? Wanna live like you did "back home"......then, don't come.

To SOME it's clear. To others......maybe not so much. Whatever.

WAIT, Wait, wait......
Were those FACTS cleared by The Ministry of Truth before publication?

Aloha, Mark

Why is consumption in America at issue? Water is global problem.

 

[Cavedweller]

The Antarctic loses a billion metric tons of ice every 2 days. Growing how?

Okay, what you are reading about is how the surface area of the Antarctic is growing. And it is growing because the Antarctic is melting and then partially re-freezing when it hits the ocean. Which is like how you frost a cake. But the total amount of ice is decreasing, the ice shelf is getting thinner and the surface area is meaningless.

NASA disagrees with you.

NASA Study: Mass Gains of Antarctic Ice Sheet Greater than Losses

A new NASA study says that an increase in Antarctic snow accumulation that began 10,000 years ago is currently adding enough ice to the continent to outweigh the increased losses from its thinning glaciers.

www.nasa.gov

 

[ma96782]

Why is consumption in America at issue? Water is global problem.

Jeez......why do you ask so many questions?

My post #101 was about an American situation. Note the conversation before that post.

Global vs Local issue.
Post #132

Aloha, Mark

 

[arakboss]

California declares unprecedented water restrictions amid drought

Residents have been warned to scale down their water usage this summer, as critical shortages loom.

www.aljazeera.com

 

[VinnieBoomBah]

Re : Post #146

General Point

Less people in America = less consumption in America

Note.

Profile of the Unauthorized Population - US

Learn about the estimated 11.4 million unauthorized immigrants living in the United States—where do they live? When did they arrive in the United States, and from which origin countries? What are their levels of education, top industries of employment, income, parental and marital status, health...

www.migrationpolicy.org

And now that Brandon is running things? Do you think that the situation has gotten better? Yeah....Covid had it's effect too.

Then, add in some water facts.

18 Shocking Water Consumption Statistics and Facts for 2024

Water consumption statistics show an average American household uses about 300 gallons of water daily. Find out more about water consumption.

comfyliving.net

Yeah......so people come to America to live the American life style. Otherwise.....why come? Wanna live like you did "back home"......then, don't come.

To SOME it's clear. To others......maybe not so much. Whatever.

WAIT, Wait, wait......
Were those FACTS cleared by The Ministry of Truth before publication?

Aloha, Mark

Well, giving you credit for your heart being in the right place . . .

1,400,000 people x 29,930 gallons of water = 41,902,000,000 gallons a year, which is a lot

Well, I suck at maths and dropped a digit, the correct numbers are

11, 400,000 x 293930 = 341,202,000,000


Which as you may have noticed is substantially more and we would need to close 7,191 golf courses which is almost all of the 9,473 courses in the U.S., but that is a sacrifice I am willing to make

but But but

the average golf course uses 130,000 gallons a day or 47,450,000 gallons a year, so . . .

41,902,000,000 / 47,450,000 = 883

So if we closed all the golf courses in JUST CA (+/- 921) or spread it out and closed just 20 golf course per state we would save MORE water and still have workers that contribute over $2 trillion to our economy each year

 

[GWS]

California has always had water issues. Agriculture plus unlimited urban growth plus industrial growth have all led up to this.
The last big water project was the aqueduct and that was in 1963. Population growth has far outstripped the projections. Lots of water goes to agriculture in the San Joaquin valley. LA resents that ag gets water so cheap. Agriculture points out (rightly IMO) that without water there's no food. LA gripes because they feel they pay too much' An oversimplification perhaps, but nonetheless if California state ever splits up. it will be because of water

 

[RX-79G]

California has always had water issues. Agriculture plus unlimited urban growth plus industrial growth have all led up to this.
The last big water project was the aqueduct and that was in 1963. Population growth has far outstripped the projections. Lots of water goes to agriculture in the San Joaquin valley. LA resents that ag gets water so cheap. Agriculture points out (rightly IMO) that without water there's no food. LA gripes because they feel they pay too much' An oversimplification perhaps, but nonetheless if California state ever splits up. it will be because of water

I flew a Senator and a bunch of geologists around the Sierra Nevada range when I was in the Navy in 2004. They were talking about how all the agricultures projects on both sides of the range and the reservoir/canal system had been based on 19th century snow levels, which turned out to be unusually large compared to the previous thousand years. That is on top of the current drought decreases, so the system was doomed to fail from the beginning.

 

[VinnieBoomBah]

Ya'll gon'a make me watch Chinatown again

 

[albin25]

California's brilliant, long-range planners are well along in their plans to dry out the State enough, so that when it finally falls into the Pacific….
…. It'll FLOAT !!

 

[ma96782]

RE : Post #154

Based on a quick internet search (Pew Research Center). And, just speaking about the "unauthorized population" of just CA alone. Well, my numbers are higher than your 1.4 million figure.

But, whatever.

Aloha, Mark

 

[VinnieBoomBah]

RE : Post #154

Based on a quick internet search (Pew Research Center). And, just speaking about the "unauthorized population" of just CA alone. Well, my numbers are higher than your 1.4 million figure.

But, whatever.

Aloha, Mark

You are correct, sir! Much to me embarrassment I dropped a digit, I corrected my post.