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Posting from Soverign Man - You need to be in front of this trend

Discussion in 'Preparedness & Survival' started by ATCclears, Aug 22, 2013.

  1. ATCclears

    ATCclears Seattle area, WA Well-Known Member

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    You need to be in front of this trend.

    August 22, 2013
    Spoleto, Italy

    One of the really great things about being in Italy is that this whole country serves as a constant reminder that wealth and power in the world are constantly shifting.

    Two thousand years ago, Italy (Rome specifically) was the pinnacle of civilization, at the forefront of medicine, art, technology, commerce, and military tactics.

    You can still see so much of this today; Italy is full of monuments and ancient public works that are still in amazing condition to this day. They put so much care and attention into their craftsmanship, they clearly designed to very high standards and built everything to last.

    Everything, of course, except for their political and economic system.

    In its later Empire years, totalitarian control of everything– the military, finances, money supply, commercial code, etc. fell to a very tiny elite… in most cases, one man.

    And as one Emperor after another bankrupted the treasury through foreign wars, palatial opulence, and unaffordable social welfare programs, Rome gradually changed for the worse.

    Desperate to keep the party going, later Emperors debased the currency to the point of hyperinflation. They imposed wage and price controls under penalty of death. They raised taxes so punitively that people simply quit working altogether.

    With each successive emperor, Romans would foolishly believe that the ‘new guy will be different’ and that things would improve. Of course, apart from the occasional sage, Rome’s political leadership became more destructive.

    By the time foreign barbarians began invading Italian territory, Roman citizens were so fed up that many of them welcomed the marauding hordes with open arms.

    What was left of Rome officially fell in 476. But by that time, wealth and power had already shifted.

    For more than 1,000 years, other kingdoms and empires assumed the role of the world’s economic and political superpower– from China’s Tang Dynasty to the Mongolians to the Ottoman Empire.

    Eventually, though, wealth and power shifted back West… to Italy once again. Venice flourished and became the leading power center in Europe.

    Its recipe for success was quite simple: at a time when the vast majority of human beings barely eked out an existence under the feudal system, Venice enshrined economic freedom.

    In Venice, people who were born with absolutely nothing could become fabulously wealthy with enough hard work, risk taking, and a little bit of luck.

    It sounds a bit like the American Dream… nearly 1,000 years ago.

    It was under this freedom that modern banking was invented in the 12th century. Foreign exchange contracts. The bond market. All of this came from Venice.

    And just as with Rome, the monuments and buildings erected during this period still stand, a testament to the strength of their civilization.

    Of course, they eventually screwed it up.

    In the early 1300s, the ruling elite eliminated the economic freedom that had made enriched so many people. The government also began charging exorbitant taxes and nationalizing trade routes.

    A police force was introduced in 1310 for the first time ever… not to protect the people from criminals, but to protect the government from the people. And Venice soon faded into obscurity.

    Other cities in Italy– Florence, Genoa, etc. soon had their time in the sun as well. But power and wealth eventually shifted from Italy to the Habsburg Empire, then the French Bourbon monarchy, the British Empire, and ultimately to the United States.

    This is a very familiar and inevitable cycle that has repeated throughout history… and at least twice in Italy. Wealth and power always shifts.

    This is happening right now in the West. The US and Western Europe are getting progressively weaker– more indebted, and less free.

    This isn’t something that happens overnight… it’s a long, gradual shift that has already been unfolding for decades. But it’s Venice and Rome all over again. And the current is accelerating.

    Coupled with the decline of the central bank-controlled fiat system, this is likely to be the biggest story in modern history.

    The warning signs are all there– it’s almost like having a time machine and being able to go back to 14th century Italy.

    Imagine being able to travel back in time and arrange your business, your portfolio, and your assets, knowing exactly how things would unfold.

    We have that opportunity now. And depending on how far in front of this trend you are, it could really make all the difference between being a victim, barely surviving, or building generational wealth for your family.
     
  2. Certaindeaf

    Certaindeaf SE Portland Well-Known Member

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    Not enough balls.

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  3. cookie

    cookie THE SOCIALIST STATE OF KALI - FORNIA Well-Known Member

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    History repeats itself because people have never changed. Besides the majority doesn't really care. I care though. Now all we have is hope and change.
     
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  4. Stomper

    Stomper Oceania Rising White Is The New Brown Silver Supporter

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    More like, "dope and loose change".
     
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  5. Kevinkris

    Kevinkris Aloha Well-Known Member

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    i see his point but he clearly doesnt know much about ancient roman history. roman's didnt pay taxes, they collected wealth through military campaigns and the roman people did not welcome the barbarians, the barbarians took over when the roman emperor refused to pay them the land and money they had promised. also the emperors took power by killing their predecessor, not because the people thought they would be better. it may have been finances that ended the empire but it was not because of the reasons he says.

    not to mention, when the first police force was introduced it was simply the end of calling them guards.

    he may be right when he talks about the downward spiral but its a poor article.
     
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  6. EZLivin

    EZLivin SW of PDX Well-Known Member

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    Sounds like our own future somewhere around 2016-2020 when welfare programs have to be cut.

    But our "Barbarians at the gates" will probably be worse than Rome's because we'll have mutants and other creepy !%&# instead of just barbarians. And not many chicks will be left...

    A NYMPHOID BARBARIAN IN DINOSAUR HELL - YouTube
     
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  7. AMProducts

    AMProducts Maple Valley, WA Jerk, Ammo Manufacturer Silver Supporter

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    This story seems like a pretty short sighted accounting of the last 2500 years of western civilization. Completely ignoring the fact that Rome was a republic for 480 years before it became an empire (note: empire refers to the taking of an emperor, not a reference to the amount of land it controlled) and that change occured when julius ceasar marched his army across the rubicon and into rome, which is also the reason he was attacked and killed on his way to the senate.

    The next several hundred years under the emperors lost more and more control over roman territory, eventually the empire was split, into east and west. The Byzantine empire continued until almost 1500AD when they were overcome by the turks, after being sacked by crusaders in the 1200s.

    The most important thing to remember when it comes to ancient history, is that civilizations can go for fairly long stretches with really poor leadership. However, when times are bad and barbarians are at the gates, it's important to have very good leaders. The problem we have currently, is it's not that we have bad leaders, it's that we have no leaders.
     
  8. revjen45

    revjen45 Snohomish County Well-Known Member

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    The decline is obvious - we all know why Italian generals wear brown pants.
     
  9. unklekippy

    unklekippy In The Mountains Near Sprague River Well-Known Member

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    The shortest book ever written-The Book of Italian War Heroes.

    I believe America will crash and rise again. I think we still have far too many rugged, self-sufficient individuals(that is what will set us apart. Most of us view ourselves as individuals, not part of some collective.) to completely go under.
     
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  10. EZLivin

    EZLivin SW of PDX Well-Known Member

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    There is a growing number of people planning for that. They are "hunkering down," with the goal of preserving what they have so they can take part in the renaissance that will inevitably come after this nightmare ends.

    John Galt to the "looters": "Get the he11 out of my way."
     
  11. erudne

    erudne The Pie Matrix PPL Say Sleeping W/Your Rifle Is A bad Thing? Bronze Supporter

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  12. Kevinkris

    Kevinkris Aloha Well-Known Member

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    okay, that guy didnt know what he was talking about either. precious metals were their currency and could not be debased. the western empire was economically failing because it relied on food imports from the eastern empire. the "barbarian" armies that were invading were always quickly beaten back, rome had won the war and the invading armies agreed to stop attacking; they refused to compensate another army that fought for them, that army took the empire as a result. romans did not pay taxes, the state owned slaves would produce state owned crops and other goods while the military would plunder treasures; to be used as coin. as an individual the only laws you needed to be concerned with were laws that essentially were meant to keep you from harming other free citizens (being physically or theft or any way you can think to directly harm another). it was a very different kind of nation than exists today.

    the guy in that video has no idea what he's talking about when it comes to the roman empire.
     
  13. erudne

    erudne The Pie Matrix PPL Say Sleeping W/Your Rifle Is A bad Thing? Bronze Supporter

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    I guess thats why he has his PHD IN ME History and was a ME terrorist advisor to the NYPD
    As well as an employee of the CIA, living in the ME for over a decade.
    I'm willing to bet that he speaks better Farsi than you do
     
  14. michaels

    michaels oregon Active Member

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    I love good fan fiction
     
  15. Kevinkris

    Kevinkris Aloha Well-Known Member

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    ill tell you what, go a do a bit of reading yourself, its all he did to get his PHD. i know how to open a book just as well as he does. the problems he said the roman empire went through (even if they were true) were not the cause of their fall. also glenn beck is not a saint sent by god, he is a propagandist that follows his paycheck closer than logical thinking. it doesnt surprise me that he would have a man on there spouting nonsense that supports the crap he allows to drain out of his mouth.