Oregon CCW Question: World Trade Center Event carry

addiction · Oct 9, 2011

I am going o be attending an event at the World Trade Center in Portland, I have an Oregon CHL, so I hope to carry there.

Are there any restrictions on the Oregon carry laws that would prevent me from carrying at the WTC during an event?

thanks

MarkAd · Oct 9, 2011

Have you contacted the host of the event with your concern? But in general if it is not posted it is not a problem.

Stomper · Oct 9, 2011

You're good to go as far as being legal. As for the owner/host... don't ask don't tell. There are no "no weapons" signs posted there that I ever saw, but if you "ask" of course they will say "No" even though the issue was never addressed.

In short... "Don't start none, won't be none".

CharonPDX · Oct 9, 2011

I work across the street from WTC. I've had a few events over there (our company uses their conference rooms for meetings/training classes often.) I've never seen anything mentioning no weapons, so I've carried there.

One thing to remember: It's called "World Trade Center", but it has no "official" capacity in anything. There are no government agencies based there, it has no status as a government/international building. It's just a title.

DoubleTapDrew · Oct 9, 2011

Never seen any metal detectors or enountered any searches there. gtg
My visits were all related to auto/motorcycle-shows though. So if Obama is visiting or something security will probably be a lot tighter.

gearchecker · Oct 10, 2011

Are there any restrictions in Oregon for carrying in a venue with a large crowd present?
Regards,
Gearchecker

pchewn · Oct 10, 2011

gearchecker said:
Are there any restrictions in Oregon for carrying in a venue with a large crowd present?
Regards,
Gearchecker

No, there are not.

gearchecker · Oct 10, 2011

Tnx,
I just learned something new. I'm originally from Michigan and it's still difficult to get a grasp on all these laws. I've never been to Oregon so I haven't been too concerned with the laws there yet. In Michigan it's unlawful (You've got to appreciate the verbiage) to carry a firearm into any venue that has more than 2500 spectators/people present. One exception is a shopping mall or retail store, because the people are dispersed between different properties, and not limited to a single venue. I'm pretty sure I remember Idaho having a similar law, but it has to be a sporting event IIRC.

CharonPDX · Oct 10, 2011

gearchecker said:
Are there any restrictions in Oregon for carrying in a venue with a large crowd present?
Regards,
Gearchecker

Nope. Although if you're visiting Portland, you should note that Oregon does not honor any other state's CHL, and Portland bars loaded open carry to those without a CHL. So if you want to carry in Portland, you either need to carry unloaded open (where unloaded means no loaded magazines on your person, either,) or have an Oregon CHL.

gearchecker · Oct 10, 2011

Hummmmmm,
Open carry unloaded only, and unable to carry ammo at the same time.
That makes about as much sense as a no gun zone sign being placed at a shooting range.

Does anybody there actually open carry with an empty gun? I've got to know what the answer to this question is.

I have considered getting my Oregon CHL pretty seriously. I'm just not sure when I'll get over there to get it.
Gearchecker

drew · Oct 10, 2011

Here's the Portland City Code. They don't explicitly prohibit speedloaders.

14A.60.010 Possession of a Loaded Firearm in a Public Place.

14A.60.010 Possession of a Loaded Firearm in a Public Place.

(Amended by Ordinance No. 184274, effective December 31, 2010.)

A. It is unlawful for any person to knowingly possess or carry a firearm, in or upon a public place, including while in a vehicle in a public place, recklessly having failed to remove all the ammunition from the firearm.

B. It is unlawful for any person to knowingly possess or carry a firearm and that firearm's clip or magazine, in or upon a public place, including while in a vehicle in a public place, recklessly having failed to remove all the ammunition from the clip or magazine.

C. The following are exceptions and constitute affirmative defenses to a violation of this Section:

1. A police officer or other duly appointed peace officers, whether active or honorably retired.

2. A member of the military in the performance of official duty.

3. A person licensed to carry a concealed handgun.

4. A person authorized to possess a loaded firearm while in or on a public building under ORS 166.370.

5. A government employee authorized or required by his or her employment or office to carry firearms.

6. A person summoned by a police officer to assist in making arrests or preserving the peace, while such person is actually engaged in assisting the officer.

7. A merchant who possesses or is engaged in lawfully transporting unloaded firearms as merchandise.

8. Organizations which are by law authorized to purchase or receive weapons from the United States or from this state.

9. Duly authorized military or civil organizations while parading, or their members when going to and from the places of meeting of their organization.

10. A corrections officer while transporting or accompanying an individual convicted of or arrested for an offense and confined in a place of incarceration or detention while outside the confines of the place of incarceration or detention.

11. Persons travelling to and from an established target range, whether public or private, for the purpose of practicing shooting targets at the target ranges.

12. Licensed hunters or fishermen while engaged in hunting or fishing, or while going to or returning from a hunting or fishing expedition.

13. A person authorized by permit of the Chief of Police to possess a loaded firearm, clip, or magazine in a public place in the City of Portland.

14. A security guard employed at a financial institution insured by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation while the security guard is on duty.

D. It is unlawful for any person who possesses a firearm, clip or magazine in or upon a public place, or while in a vehicle in a public place, to refuse to permit a police officer to inspect that firearm after the police officer has identified him or herself as a police officer. This Section does not apply to law enforcement officers or members of the military in the performance of official duties, nor persons licensed to carry a concealed handgun or persons authorized to possess a loaded firearm, clip or magazine while in or on a public building or court facility.

E. Penalty

1. In the absence of the aggravating factors listed in Subsection 14A.60.010 E.2., the court may impose a sentence of up to 6 months imprisonment and a fine not to exceed $500 for violation of this section.

2. When this offense is committed by carrying a loaded firearm containing ammunition that employs gunpowder as a propellant in a vehicle, including a transit vehicle, the court must impose a mandatory minimum sentence of 30 days for violation of this Section.

CharonPDX · Oct 10, 2011

Correct. A loaded "magazine" is prohibited. You may carry loose ammunition plus a magazine, you may carry a revolver speedloader loaded, you may carry a "stripper clip" loaded. (For that SKS "pistol" you want to open carry...)

drew · Oct 10, 2011

CharonPDX said:
Correct. A loaded "magazine" is prohibited. You may carry loose ammunition plus a magazine, you may carry a revolver speedloader loaded, you may carry a "stripper clip" loaded. (For that SKS "pistol" you want to open carry...)

Yeah. I think a stripper clip is ok too but the fact they don't explicitly define a clip while prohibiting one worries and annoys me. I know I recklessly failed to have low expectations for Portland's firearm laws.

CharonPDX · Oct 11, 2011

The specifically state "magazine". Also, note that the magazine portion has never been tested in court - Oregon's constitution may not grant Portland permissions to ban loaded removable magazines, only loaded WEAPONS. A magazine has a pretty definite definition. (It is also defined in another state law, one that seems to imply that Portland cannot ban loaded removable magazines, too, although that part is what is unclear.)

TonsOfOregonBrass · Oct 11, 2011

gearchecker said:
Hummmmmm,
Open carry unloaded only, and unable to carry ammo at the same time.
That makes about as much sense as a no gun zone sign being placed at a shooting range.

Does anybody there actually open carry with an empty gun? I've got to know what the answer to this question is.

I have considered getting my Oregon CHL pretty seriously. I'm just not sure when I'll get over there to get it.
Gearchecker

Oregon will only issue out of state permits to residents of states that touch Oregon. ( Washington, Idaho, Nevada, and California) all other states are SOL.

addiction · Oct 12, 2011

thanks to all for the info, I was there on Monday and it was an complete non-event carrying a gun, so it was perfect.

jvbutter · Oct 12, 2011

CharonPDX said:
Correct. A loaded "magazine" is prohibited. You may carry loose ammunition plus a magazine, you may carry a revolver speedloader loaded, you may carry a "stripper clip" loaded. (For that SKS "pistol" you want to open carry...)

LOL.... now that would be a sight, Downtown Portland, sure to get some attention.

CharonPDX · Oct 12, 2011

jvbutter said:
LOL.... now that would be a sight, Downtown Portland, sure to get some attention.

A few years ago, someone strolled around downtown with a rifle of some sort strapped to his back. Police came, verified it was unloaded, and let him go on his way. (I think they kept an officer nearby, though. More to calm against public panic than for the sake of the carrier.)