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Ordered at gunpoint in your home to get on floor, would you comply?

Discussion in 'Education & Training' started by Lance Jacobs, Jun 4, 2015.

  1. Lance Jacobs

    Lance Jacobs South Willamette Valley Oregon Well-Known Member

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    A man in Lane County was confronted by a burglar inside his home who pointed a realistic looking gun at him, and ordered him to get on the floor. Would you comply in such a scenario?

    This homeowner did not. Instead, he jumped the intruder, and proceed to beat the living daylights out of him. While the prowler escaped, he was arrested a little while later when he showed up at a hospital seeking treatment for his significant head injuries. The home owner had severely beaten him on his head.

    Here is a full news report:

    http://registerguard.com/rg/news/lo...-be-robber-beaten-by-would-be-victim.html.csp

    What do you think of this incident? Could something like this ever happen to you in your home? Or do you have enough safeguards in place to make this unlikely? Does anyone ever carry while inside their home?

    As it turned out, the intruder's gun was only a pellet pistol. The news story does not say whether the home owner was able to recognize the gun as being a fake or not.

    Here is the perp's booking photo, after he was treated at the hospital:


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  2. IronMonster

    IronMonster Washington Opinionated Member Diamond Supporter

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    Every situation is different. I have plans in place if I ever had to confront a invader in my home. Some involve engaging them at some point but honestly if I had the option of just getting everyone clear and safe I would choose that over confrontation. I would rather lose everything than risk a confrontation where a family member got hurt. Stuff is insured and replaceable.

    If it came to violence then I will stop the intruder or die trying. I will not be restrained or subdued
     
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  3. rick benjamin

    rick benjamin USA, Or, Damascus Secure the drama Silver Supporter 2016 Volunteer

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    We have a home invasion plan.
    I will attack. When I go down, my daughter will attack.
    Somewhere in the scrum will be the two shepherds and the heeler.
     
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  4. etrain16

    etrain16 Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    +1 to IronMonster's post. Could it happen in my home? Sure, I don't live in a vault. But we take reasonable precautions from locked doors/windows when we're home, to lighting outside, to keeping plants away from windows to limit hiding spots. Doors are dead-bolted as well as the regular locks. While I do carry inside sometimes, it's not always practical (like in PJ's) so at those times, since we have a kid in the house, the gun(s) are in various places, locked away, but accessible. We also have several cans of pepper spray in strategic locations in the house, and other items that could be improvised easily into a defensive weapon.

    As for attacking an intruder, it depends on a lot of factors. I would have to size myself up against him, consider his strengths against my own, maybe consider if he seems to be cogent or hopped up on drugs, etc. Like IM said, I would always prefer to get my family away, or, if possible, barricade in place with a weapon in hand and let the police handle it. I sleep with a cell phone next to me so we always have a chance to call if something goes down.

    But if it came down to it, if my wife/daughter's lives were in danger, or my own were in danger, they would not get a compliant victim.

    My grandfather, twice, faced down 4 intruders during home invasion robberies back in the 80's in SE PDX. Each time, he confronted them, 4 against 1 with a simple shotgun, and each time, they all fled, without a single shot fired. After the 2nd time, they never came back. I could only hope to have inherited the brass set he had if I'm ever in the same situation.
     
  5. rick benjamin

    rick benjamin USA, Or, Damascus Secure the drama Silver Supporter 2016 Volunteer

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    The perp doesn't look very beat-up.
    He still has his eyes and throat
     
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  6. Lance Jacobs

    Lance Jacobs South Willamette Valley Oregon Well-Known Member

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    It would seem that the home owner was more intent on bashing his brains in.

    Is it better to punch in the eyes? Is that considered a more disabling blow to use against an attacker? Despite all the blows to his head, the intruder was able to escape.

    I've heard comments that the throat is indeed a vulnerable target.

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  7. Medic!

    Medic! What just happened? Has eagle eyes. But cant remember what he saw. Bronze Supporter

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    Just so you know. I keep my door locked. Not to protect me!
    But to protect the poor SOB that could accidently enter my house! ;)
     
  8. Lance Jacobs

    Lance Jacobs South Willamette Valley Oregon Well-Known Member

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    As far as I know, anyone that illegally enters your home with the intent to steal or rob, is pretty much fair game under Oregon law. It is doubtful that you will be charged, even if you resort to using lethal force.

    Although I would still advise that people only consider lethal force, if they absolutely believe that their life is in danger.

    Above all, never shoot an intruder in the back, as they are about to leave your residence, or fleeing outside your home. Doing that will generally lead to charges being filed against you.

    And never fire warning shots into the ground or into the air too. The courts seem to frown on doing that.

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  9. mikeybuck

    mikeybuck Clark county Active Member

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    If they make it past my puppy,.... well chances are good that's as far as they will make it.
     
  10. Medic!

    Medic! What just happened? Has eagle eyes. But cant remember what he saw. Bronze Supporter

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    Thank You Cpt. Obvious!

    However . You for got to tell me, Don't wrap Bacon around my pecker and tease a pit bull! :s0123: Geezzzz!
     
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  11. Lance Jacobs

    Lance Jacobs South Willamette Valley Oregon Well-Known Member

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    May seem obvious to you, but people do make these mistakes in the real world. Just a couple of years ago where I live, an elderly woman chased a burglar off her property, and fired on him as he fled down the street. Fortunately she missed and did not hit him.

    People often make bad decisions when under stress.

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  12. mjbskwim

    mjbskwim Salmon,Idaho Well-Known Member

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    I wouldn'tcomply to any of the intruders orders.Once you do,you are definitely at their mercy.
    If he is violent,he may beat you either way.
    Today would have been a bad day too.I was sharpening axes.people look at you funny wen you walk around with axes.
    And this is like the 'tied up' thread.I think one needs to rethink their security plan if you get this far with an intruder
     
  13. Garg

    Garg east of portland metro Hold my beer..... watch this Bronze Supporter

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    Don't wrap Bacon around my pecker and tease a pit bull!

    What........ is that a bad thing.......... crap......:p
     
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  14. Caveman Jim

    Caveman Jim West of Oly Springer Slayer 2016 Volunteer

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    Yep, never comply with a perp, if you do things can go sideways fast. Have a plan and practice it seriously!!!
    My dogs let me know when anyone comes down our gravel road, that gets me up to check out who, what and why they are there, especially late at night as I only have 2 neighbors on this long gravel road....

    They playfully call me the Gate keeper but I don't take it lightly, I AM THE GATE KEEPER!!!
     
  15. RVTECH

    RVTECH LaPine Well-Known Member

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    Too bad it isn't a mortuary photo.
     
  16. Raidingtime

    Raidingtime SE Portland Oregon Well-Known Member

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    I don't see any mistakes here
     
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  17. Mark W.

    Mark W. Silverton, OR Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    'I was in a lot of fights as a kid. I learned one thing for sure. Letting the other guy start or control wasn't a winning strategy. Now since I was a whopping 120lb fighting with kids 6'3 and 250lbs plus I rarely thought I had won anything. But I knew not one of them ever got away clean.

    Same here I would no more stand up and let some Nazi shoot me against the wall or Camel banger cut my head of while I kneeled in from of him, then I would lay down in my own house and let some A hole take control.

    I want to make sure the only statement I have to make when its over is:

    I was in fear for my life and I fired until the threat was no more.
    or
    I was in fear for my life and I swung the short softball bat behind every door in the house until the threat was no more
    or
    I was in fear for my life and I stuck my hand made kitchen knife in the threat until it was no more.
    Or
    I was in fear for my life so I grabbed the threat's cheeks and pulled until my thumbs went through his eye holes and the treat was no more.

    Get my drift? None of these have anything to do with me laying on the floor until I am dead.
     
  18. rick benjamin

    rick benjamin USA, Or, Damascus Secure the drama Silver Supporter 2016 Volunteer

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    Lance;
    The perpetrator demanded submission, threatened lethal force
    The victim did his best with what he had and lived.
    He damaged the scalp, maybe cracked the skull.
    The skull is the brain's armor.

    Submission or defiance in the face of certain death?

    Think ahead, what do you do?

    I am a Marine, A volunteer fire-EMT.
    Humans are built with armor.
    Ribs overlap from above protecting the vitals, skull protects the brain.
    Vertebrae protect the spinal cord
    The target's infirmities? Oxygen, central nervous system, mobility
    Deny oxygen. Strike the throat, crush the windpipe. Punch to break your knuckles
    Strike the base of the skull to traumatize the spinal cord.
    Deny vision. Gouge the eyes. Punch with fingers to break your bones.
    Punch the kidneys, pain like fire, he'll piss blood for days.
    Deny mobility. Kick his kneecap, crush his ankle, take him down.
    Strike straight into the target with all your might.
    DOMINATE THE FIGHT your life or his.
    I'm an old man, a youngster could run rings around me, if I allow it.
    P.S. Guard your infirmities
     
  19. Stomper

    Stomper Oceania Rising White Is The New Brown Silver Supporter

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    You forgot to stomp-kick his inner arch and go for the nose, man! An upwards palm-heel strike to the nose, shove that frakkin' bone and cartilage up into his brain while his foot is pinned/crushed to the floor. ;)
     
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  20. jim97701

    jim97701 Bend Well-Known Member

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    If you read the story, the home owner put him in a headlock, took him to took the front door and threw him out!. Seems to me he handled it perfectly.
     
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