No more Bump stocks in Wa, Pass House and Senate

[Tony617]

Need I say more. This was posted before in other threads:

 

[ma96782]

IIRC....I paid about $100 for mine. Maybe I'll take them up on it.

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As a gun owner, I think that we are going down the wrong road with this.

If THEY can ban this "stock"......then that opens the door. What's to stop them from banning magazines (read as: any magazine) capable of killing __X__ number of kids before reloading? Then later, assault weapons (any semi-auto), long range sniper rifles (any rifle), street sweeper shotguns (any shotgun), etc..... Yup, you can expect that the LIBERALS will call those items by those names. It evokes "emotions" and THEY get to frame the debate. Just as they are doing now. Liberal parents and crying kids marching in the streets of America.....



The news says that THEY are only asking for, "reasonable and common sense legislation." Rrrrright. It's framed that way because.....if you don't agree with THEM....it's because you're not reasonable and you don't have common sense. No one has to listen to someone without common sense and who is not reasonable. Your opposition is irrelevant.

So, did THEY ever stop to think? That someone (someone from the LEFT) will be put in charge of what's, "reasonable and common sense." Wow imagine that. A world where _____Hillary____ (or stick in the name of your favorite idiot) is in charge of deciding YOUR RIGHTS. No need to bother about the 2nd Amendment anymore.

BTW, I don't expect the SCOTUS to step in here. Not based on their long history of refusal to hear gun rights cases.

Aloha, Mark

PS....as for TRUMP's stance on bump fire stocks. IMHO, he's wrong. But, when I voted for him, I had to balance the scale. Yup, given the alternative....."There it is."

 

[Sstrand]

BE CAREFUL HERE! Anyone who turns one in will be put on a list as a known AR owner and a threat to the community!!!!!
I just noticed, community and communist are spelled the same way except for two letters . . . Hhhhhhhhhhmmmmmmmm>

Sheldon

 

[ma96782]

BE CAREFUL HERE! Anyone who turns one in will be put on a list as a known AR owner and a threat to the community!!!!!
I just noticed, community and communist are spelled the same way except for two letters . . . Hhhhhhhhhhmmmmmmmm>

Sheldon

It could happen and/or.....



Aloha, Mark

 

[cigars]

$150 buy back for a bump stock? How much for shoelaces, belt loops or rubber bands? I've got a drawer full of those.

 

[ma96782]

Oh those useful idiots.......are soooooo useful. They have forgotten the value of the 2nd Amendment.

"....when France fell to Nazi invasion in 1940, the New York Times reported that the French were deprived of rights such as free speech and firearm possession just as the Germans had been. Frenchmen who failed to surrender their firearms within 24 hours were subject to the death penalty.

No wonder that in 1941, just days before the Pearl Harbor attack, Congress reaffirmed Second Amendment rights and prohibited gun registration. In 1968, bills to register guns were debated, with opponents recalling the Nazi experience and supporters denying that the Nazis ever used registration records to confiscate guns. The bills were defeated, as every such proposal has been ever since, including recent "universal background check" bills.

As in Weimar Germany, some well-meaning people today advocate severe restrictions, including bans and registration, on gun ownership by law-abiding persons. Such proponents are in no sense "Nazis," any more than were the Weimar officials who promoted similar restrictions. And it would be a travesty to compare today's situation to the horrors of Nazi Germany.

Still, as history teaches, the road to hell is paved with good intentions."

Taken from: How the Nazis Used Gun Control | National Review

Aloha, Mark

 

[DuneHopper]

This is just another example of us leaving ourselves out in the cold. We refuse to discuss anything with Democrats so they make the choice without us and for us..

Hows that no compromise, not on my watch mentality working our for the Pacific Northwest?
Can tell with each law passed the Democrat majority is shaking in their shoes ( not )..
I find it amazing we throw money at ppl who can't change anything but refuse to talk with those who can because they might be Liberal or a Democrat.. Must be where the saying shooting one self in the foot comes from. Amazing !

 

[ma96782]

Amendment II
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.*

*Except when I deem that it's inconvenient, controversial and/or messy. Therefore, I get to modify it to mean anything I want.

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Taken from the Democrat's own website.

Preventing Gun Violence
With 33,000 Americans dying every year, Democrats believe that we must finally take sensible action to address gun violence. While responsible gun ownership is part of the fabric of many communities, too many families in America have suffered from gun violence. We can respect the rights of responsible gun owners while keeping our communities safe. To build on the success of the lifesaving Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act, we will expand and strengthen background checks and close dangerous loopholes in our current laws; repeal the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act (PLCAA) to revoke the dangerous legal immunity protections gun makers and sellers now enjoy; and keep weapons of war—such as assault weapons and large capacity ammunition magazines (LCAM's)—off our streets. We will fight back against attempts to make it harder for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives to revoke federal licenses from law breaking gun dealers, and ensure guns do not fall into the hands of terrorists, intimate partner abusers, other violent criminals, and those with severe mental health issues. There is insufficient research on effective gun prevention policies, which is why the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention must have the resources it needs to study gun violence as a public health issue.

Aloha, Mark

 

[Caveman Jim]

Now all that is needed is for the Gov to sign it.
Washington State House votes to ban 'bump stock' gun attachments

I'd rather ole Jay had a stroke before he is able to screw us again!!!!

 

[Tony617]

Amendment II
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.*

*Except when I deem that it's inconvenient, controversial and/or messy. Therefore, I get to modify it to mean anything I want.

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Taken from the Democrat's own website.

Preventing Gun Violence
With 33,000 Americans dying every year, Democrats believe that we must finally take sensible action to address gun violence. While responsible gun ownership is part of the fabric of many communities, too many families in America have suffered from gun violence. We can respect the rights of responsible gun owners while keeping our communities safe. To build on the success of the lifesaving Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act, we will expand and strengthen background checks and close dangerous loopholes in our current laws; repeal the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act (PLCAA) to revoke the dangerous legal immunity protections gun makers and sellers now enjoy; and keep weapons of war—such as assault weapons and large capacity ammunition magazines (LCAM's)—off our streets. We will fight back against attempts to make it harder for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives to revoke federal licenses from law breaking gun dealers, and ensure guns do not fall into the hands of terrorists, intimate partner abusers, other violent criminals, and those with severe mental health issues. There is insufficient research on effective gun prevention policies, which is why the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention must have the resources it needs to study gun violence as a public health issue.

Aloha, Mark

So how do they get 33,000 people dying from guns every year?

 

[ma96782]

So how do they get 33,000 people dying from guns every year?

I've read that the 33,000 figure claimed by the Democrats is false.

Fact-Check: FALSE

This is a claim Clinton often makes to make gun violence appear to be raging out of control; to justify the government stepping in with more rules and regulations to keep the American people safe.

However, a Fact-Check shows Clinton's claim is not only false, but is exaggerated by 66 percent.

Taken from: Fact-Check: No, 33,000 Not Killed with Guns Each Year | Breitbart

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But, when has a TRUE/FACTUAL number ever stopped a Democrat from pushing their agenda?

Ever hear the common Liberal plea about.....if THEY could save just one life, then it's worth it for you to give up your guns? My advice: Don't bother about the actual numbers. Because in the end, their argument will shift to.......Private citizens don't need guns. The 2nd A is a collective right.* Besides, only the Govt, Police and Military should have guns.

*It's not a collective right, it's an individual's right. Heller, settled that. But, you know, if you repeat something long and loud enough....

Then, Hillary (and the rest of them) started throwing out the idea that they were only proposing, "reasonable and common sense gun laws."

Really? "Reasonable and common sense" according to who?

Yup....they have now set themselves up as THE ONES to have a solution and ONLY THEY KNOW what is a, "reasonable and common sense gun law(s)." Rrrright....cause if you don't agree with them.....it's because you are NOT reasonable and don't have common sense.

Nice way to have a conversation with a Democrat huh?

Aloha, Mark

 

[ma96782]

SB 5992.E - DIGEST
(AS OF SENATE 2ND READING 1/25/18)
"Prohibits a person from manufacturing, owning, buying, selling, loaning, furnishing, transporting, or having in possession or under control, a bump-fire stock.

Provides the following definition for bump-fire stock: A butt stock designed to be attached to a semiautomatic firearm with the effect of increasing the rate of fire achievable with the semiautomatic firearm to that of a fully automatic firearm by using the energy from the recoil of the firearm to generate reciprocating action that facilitates repeated activation of the trigger."

There's the definition.

....increasing the rate of fire achievable with the semiautomatic firearm to that of a fully automatic firearm....

I don't know for a fact. But, I question if a semi-automatic with bump fire stock can be equal to or faster than a fully automatic firearm.

Has anyone done a test?

AR15 with bump fire stock vs. fully automatic M16.

Aloha, Mark

PS....I guess I should be looking at YouTube.

 

[awshoot]

So how do they get 33,000 people dying from guns every year?

By including suicides. Suicides account for the vast majority of gun deaths.

Firearm homicides: 11,008 FastStats
Firearm suicides: 21,386 FastStats

Which is why wish people who are going to kill themselves, would at least think of their fellow gun owners and choose nitrogen, oxy, or something else rather than give antis a statistic that can be used to mislead people.

 

[awshoot]

...Has anyone done a test?

AR15 with bump fire stock vs. fully automatic M16. ...

Yep.

 

[ma96782]

This video is close, but no cigar.

I'd like to know the actual rate of fire numbers of one vs the other.

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Then, this guy from OR maybe he is watching the posts here.......

I noted what he said at 0:49. But, I thought that the M16 is rated at 700-950. OK, Ok, ok.....call it 800.

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Anyway, in a court of law.....I'd expect that the test would be conducted using the same "average person," same weather conditions, date, time (within a particular window of time), using the same style of ammo (as was found with the firearm). Then, actual firearm w/ bump fire stock vs an M16 (genuine issue off the rack military variant A1, A2, etc...). "Close enough" wear/round counts between the two firearms. Lubrication of the firearm done the same way. Then, I might just take an ave. rate of fire number. One firearm vs the other.

Just to be fair. Cause, we have all heard about "rigged tests" by the Feds.

Going back to the statute:
....increasing the rate of fire achievable with the semiautomatic firearm to that of a fully automatic firearm....

To me: Equal rate of fire or greater than rate of fire......will decide the case. Not addressing/speaking of Jury nullification.

Aloha, Mark

 

[gunsmithkinks]

At this point and time the rate of fire debate is a null and void issue or point. The bill has passed as is now going to be law just as soon as our pukey liberal anti-gun Governor Jay Inslee signs it., regardless of whether we like it or not.
Worrying about the rate of fire after the bill has been been passed is like thinking about locking the gate on the corral after the horse is gone.

 

[Tony617]

Unfortunately President Trump ordered attorney general Jeff Sessions to craft regulation to ban bump stocks. If federal legislation goes though all the states must comply.

Trump urges ban on 'bump stocks,' other gun modifiers

 

[shibbershabber]

Rate of fire is irrelevant. It is not humanly possisble to load that many rounds into the gun in that timeframe.

Any law that they propose right now is going to be passed. There is no negotiating with the Democrats on this. Especially here in the PNW where they hold all of the power.

For those suggesting that we work with them... what is there to work with? They NEVER compromise anything. WE are always selling something out. Especially now. THEY have the momentum, THEY have the media, THEY have Hollywood, THEY have social media, THEY have POWER over advertisers, etc which is why you are seeing corporate partners abandoning the NRA right now... These people have the real power. Eventually they will wear down these Republicans and we will lose our rights.

It. Will. Happen.

Short of somekind of civil war or outside attack... we are on a collision course with the end of the 2nd Amendment

I wouldnt be surprised to see an Assault Weapon Ban in OR and WA within a year.

 

[4Freedom]

To quote our former President Thomas Jefferson:

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

Looks like We The People have been betrayed by Them The Government.

With the current trend in this country, outside of an successful uprising, you can pretty much kiss your 2nd Amendment rights goodbye. The Republicans have made it clear they can make deals with the Democrats and that our 2nd Amendment is expendable if it means their popularity and chance at re-election may be hurt. Many Republican party supporters will be told to shut up and stop complaining about the 2nd Amendment and that only they can help lower our taxes. In the meantime, the Republicans are blasting the size of our deficit, increasing government spending and are going to probably end up jacking our tax rates after the economy collapses. You cannot keep borrowing and print more worthless currency forever.

Then, of course, the Republicans have the entire huge religious bloc. There are a good number of religious conservatives who are only conservative because of religion and are liberal in most other ways. That is they support socialism and hate guns. I've met my share of these so-called religious conservatives. Many of these Republicans will state that banning guns is a necessity, but they will bring you closer to the Lord and protect your churches and assure everyone they are holy, religious believers unlike those Democrat heathens.

Ironically, most of these RINOs , who now call themselves Republicans are as greedy , slimy, manipulative and support all the same type of bureaucratic boosting measures as the Democrats. Maybe, they can say they are blessed by God, hate abortion, etc but that doesn't change the reality of their diabolic and unscrupulous nature. But, whatever wins votes? If banning religion was necessary to keep them in power, they would do that too.. Once you ban guns, it is much easier to ban other things.

The Republicans will do what they can to promote "sensible gun control" and use God, Church, Pro-Business/Low-Taxes, National Security, etc. They will tell us they are the only ones who can protect us from terrorists. Go figure, Donald Two-Faced Trump, now is restarting the NSA spy program after condemning Obama for doing the same thing. A fact that many people have forgotten or do now what to even remember is that the Republican party use to be very adamantly against the 2nd AMendment and use to promote these other so-called conservative causes. Ronald Reagan (who many consider Mr. Conservative) was a big supporter of an Assault Weapon Ban. Yet, hardly anyone would dare criticize him for supporting an AWB. Some of the worst gun control in our country was pushed by Republicans. WHo is to say the anti-gun mentality of REpublicans won't come back to bite us in the a**?

I know the Democrats have an agenda to turn America into a New-Age Stalinist style state. Their intentions are quite obvious. It is these double-talking, two-faced sneaky RINOs who are the ones who really make me lose sleep at night.

 

[nwslopoke]

There are two cases that I am aware of where bump stocks were allegedly used, illegally by any standard, to kill people. San Bernardino and Las Vegas. One case were terrorist who we are told were making bombs in their garage. The other was a multimillionaire with a clean background that could have easily afforded and be permitted any level of machine gun he wanted. The only cases on record did not need a bmp stock to me their goals but in the end reduces us to being subjects of the state. No vote, taxes will still be collected and if you refuse...imprisonment is sure to follow. Finally we will be no safer after the fact than we are this minute.

All the while government agencies all around are allowed to under perform, lie, tax, steal because people have been paralyzed with fear. Fear of personal responsibility, liability and stability. I don't want to defend myself because I may get in trouble from the authorities and could get sued. Politicians do not respect or fear the people because they are protected with guns and by the media.