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In Oregon the fine for littering is already $6250. Stick a few of these dipschnitts with that for starters.
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Not helpful in the least to attack the forestry folks. They are working with us and will as long as we do our part. They are charged with fulfilling the ability for all folks to use the forest. We have a responsibility to practice good stewardship when we use something that belongs to all of us. So make it a practice. Take more out than you bring in, and do it every time you go up there. If you see someone leaving junk, brass or target material, offer to help remove it and put an extra bag out with the trash. If we don't police ourselves, we could see this experiment fail. Spread the word and do your part.
Well said Kristina!+1
Why blame the forestry dept (or whomever) for not taking care of this? I know we pay taxes and it is their job so it's easy to feel frustrated when we perceive they are not doing what we pay them for. But we are a group of people who take responsibility for all sorts of other things that could be left to the powers-that-be to provide: We take responsibility for our own protection and that of our families by being armed; we hunt and grow our own food; we prep for emergencies and disasters... We are the type of people that do something when something needs to be done and not cry about how Daddy isn't doing it for us. This shouldn't be any different. Yeah, it's frustrating that people dump their garbage in the woods and shoot it up and it will always happen forever and ever, but one person picking up after themselves can lead to more doing the same. And when you get thirty people together to clean up, well, we can get more done in a few hours that the forestry dept can do in a month.
...sorry, pre-coffee ranting ...
I guess what I'm trying to say is that it's easy to get discouraged or whatever, but I really feel that the actions of one person can effect change in many, that setting a good example and getting the word out, as individuals and as a group, is still the best way to help combat behavior we don't want to see.
Where do I sign up? Love it!I wonder if there is a way the state, Washington county or Tillamook Forest could allocate funds for a dedicated employee for a 2-3 month program. This employee travels between the areas say N. Wolf Creek, Salmonberry, Louisignot and monitors and fines to the fullest extent possible these people. Over that time frame I would think enough fines would be issued to help fund the program and put the word out that enough is enough. Maybe have the number this employee can be reached at posted at the sites so he can be quickly notified. I know its kind of a pipe dream, the state definitely has its pet programs and when it comes to firearms, money is put towards getting them out of our hands.
I wonder if a lot of the dumping is by low income people that cant or wont afford the dump fees . Would maybe help if they could get some sort of break at the local dumps. Just a thought.My buddy just moved into a new place and spent over $150 at the Vanc dump.Thats quite a bit for some people.
We may be able to get a dumpster in the woods but it's going to cost. I'm proposing that we do a test month or two and see how the program goes. We lock it up and only give the combination to those who sign up for it. No other public is allowed to use it. Only for shooting site trash.
Oh, it'll be just fine. We're not locating it in the lonely part of the woods all by itself. It would either be at a campsite with the other dumpsters or at a gravel yard. Might even have a couple locations. Need to put it where we know it'll be okay and easy for us to get to. It's another detail to hash out with ODF.It will get shot full of holes by those who shoot up everything else they find in those shooting spots. I have no doubt of this. Do you think those who bring the trash out and those who shoot it will hesitate trying to see if their gun will penetrate the dumpster metal? It won't last a week in good weather - especially if it is there over a weekend.
I would much rather have a solution that makes an example out of those who do the bad deed. There has to be some shooting spots where this is a problem and cams can be placed in a hidden spot safe from stray shots that can capture the actions of the people who do this crap.