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Michigan O.C. Files lawsuit

Discussion in 'Legal & Political Archive' started by willseeker, Dec 24, 2013.

  1. willseeker

    willseeker N. Portland. Well-Known Member

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  2. evltwn

    evltwn Gold Hill Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Another guy seeking a confrontation. Yeah, I know, I know....he was carrying legally, and the cops responded poorly, but not unexpectedly. But a lawsuit? Really?
     
  3. misplacedtexan

    misplacedtexan Beaverton, OR Active Member

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    If you read the police response linked in the story it seems that Deffert(defendant) was acting like a loon in front of a church.

    Cop stopped him, held him at gunpoint (because he was acting like a loon), ran his ID, and let him go.

    I don't see the problem really. I open carry regularly, but if I was outside a church talking fairly loudly to myself, I would expect someone to take exception.
     
  4. Darknight

    Darknight Salem Active Member

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    I was not there, but don't demonstrators chant loudly and talk loudly, even when there appears to be no one around, to get public attention on whatever issue it is they are out deomnstrating about?
     
  5. 1337BaldEagle

    1337BaldEagle Earth Active Member

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    Not trying to be a jerk but the ONLY way things will change in this country is by legal precedent.
     
  6. 1337BaldEagle

    1337BaldEagle Earth Active Member

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    Indeed, but the further chilling consequences of letting something like this go unchecked is this: Allowing unreasonable searches or even potentially unreasonable searches has chilling consequences. If we only look at the potential problems of current and present time then we are without forethought and lack sense. I don't want to live in a day and age where a cop pulls me over because of my Magpul sticker on my truck. I don't want him to be able to legally justify the situation by saying "we thought you were armed, and since there is no real reason to be armed, we assumed you were a threat." This happens all to often. The simple fact of the matter is that if no laws are broken they must have "reason to believe" that a crime will be committed. The potential for abuse is not a line I wish pushed any further. In fact I wish it pushed back. Or you are going to get Police like in Chicago who say:
    Cheif of Police McCarthy.

    Edit: I'm not saying that officers should have to wait to be shot at but to merely have a gun does not constitute reason to shoot.
     
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  7. orygun

    orygun West Linn Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Hmmm, I'd like to know a bit more, but there is no information in this article. Was the man walking by singing to himself? Was he walking around in circles shouting? No where in the article does it describe how he was acting "oddly". The "fact" that the Police Chief knew nothing, I believe is BS and is covering his butt because of the pending lawsuit.
    The missing info and the amount of time the cops detained him debating policy without checking ID makes me think he's got a leg to stand on.
    IF there was nothing more going on than what the article says, I hope the judge sticks it to the Police Dept.

    Edit. Ok, I figured out how to read the update. I'm no computer genius, let me tell you!

    But, the delay in checking ID, if there was a delay, would be the key. Any time I've been pulled over (traffic stops) one of the first things a cop does is to ask for ID. The one time that was different, I got a severe verbal thrashing for several minutes before he asked for my ID. His attitude prompted me to hire a lawyer. His lack of evidence got me off, but his attitude towards me at the scene got the attention of the judge, who laid into him pretty well.

    I agree, Legal precedence is the only way things change...
     
  8. bnsaibum

    bnsaibum Corvallis, OR Well-Known Member 2015 Volunteer

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    1337BaldEagle Earth Active Member

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    I hope he bankrupts the department.
     
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    bnsaibum Corvallis, OR Well-Known Member 2015 Volunteer

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  11. oli700

    oli700 Rogue Valley Well-Known Member

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    What a bunch of dbags …..in the first video the police instantly makes him get on the ground and detain him for doing nothing wrong, "until I figure this out” he says, he should have had it figured out before he got out of his rig, incompetent jerkoff.
    I hope he wins that suit against those communists …..why couldn’t that idiot just pull up and talk to him like a reasonable person and ask some questions to make sure he wasn’t a psycho and then let him go on his way….
     
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  12. chariot13

    chariot13 Near Eugene/Springfield Well-Known Member

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    Because the cops that act like this know they'll get away with it. Look at the newspaper ladies etc.... when you can shoot a citizen with impunity and then pay them off with the money they payed you in taxes, (pay em off with their own money) then you hold zero responsibility for your own actions as a police officer.
     
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  13. oli700

    oli700 Rogue Valley Well-Known Member

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    perfect example, that just floored me.
    I don't care what they thought, you better have all your ducks in a row when you decide to fill a truck full of holes......the very stupidest part of that was simultaneously across town they were shooting up another innocent....just by listening to the radio you would think one of them would have put two and two together and say "one of us has the wrong guy".....turns out they both did, incompetence beyond forgiveness right there, don't they run plates or talk to dispatch anymore? text book communication break down