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I agree old liberalism is more like modern day libertarianism..

liberalism today is not at all what it once was. Today its akin more to socialism/communism/fascism.. whats worse is, people today don't even realize that.
JFK was a liberal. He wouldn't even recognize what the Democratic Party has become...because it's full blown Leftism. :rolleyes:
 
Just going to jump right to the point... which is bigger than guns....

If you have been together for 5 years and she doesnt know your conservative views and you know her leftist views... there is a bigger problem that political ideology.
Been together for 5 years and she didnt know you have guns, or even several assault rifles... you guys were on the wrong track anyway.

2A aside...

You cannot have a successful relationship when both sides keep their personal beliefs, etc separate from the other.

What other information did you all not share?

A relationship must have effective communication in order to survive. Especially after that long and moving in together... marriage couldnt be too far at that point... and a marriage in which both sides cant share anything and everything is doomed to fail.


Thats huge.



When I met my 2nd wife, I had more than a few guns and CCW daily... which I informed her of on date #5 or so. She was from a more conservative family and previous bfs had owned firearms so she wasnt put off by it.
For me, its a deal breaker. There are certain things that should be held sacred... core values and rights should not be negotiable in a relationship.

There are plenty of women out there, but I only have so many rights:cool:
 
After 5 years and her nearly moving in to my home in the next 2 months, the topic of the leftist's anti-america platform came up over dinner. The discussion evolved into the far left's goal to dismantle the 2nd A and her position that all "all assault weapons" should not be sold to civilians. Although he had her facts totally wrong, I was in a state of shock over her profound anger over the 'assault rifle' issue. I was so scared of her anger on the issue that I did not mention that I had several. Her anger over the weapons issue was one thing, but what emerged was her livid anger over the "system, the rich, Trump, etc.". In previous discussion on politics I have almost always avoided discussion, thinking that her democratic ideas was moderate, but now I think she is much more left leaning and rabid. She now raised the issue that her moving in could be deal breaker over my conservative politics and pro-gun assault firearms issues.
I was stone cold over her anti-gun assault gun issue although she was not anti-gun on other firearms; so she said.
So, she said that perhaps we should not stay the night together and I told her to do what she wants to do. She left my home very politely, wanted to stay but she clearly saw my stone cold emotions for her and not at all attractions for her and he rapport was destroyed between us. She left about 9 pm. I warned her politely that I thought that her leaving that evening was a very bad idea; now thinking that if she was living here in the future, that she would bolt if things get difficult. She was going to live her rent free but for food and utility costs.

I was royally disgusted with her last night and still am. I am thinking now that she harbored this profound anger over the years, about firearms and the system that there was another side of her personality that caused me to think that my attraction was to somebody else and not this rabid democrat or leftist thinker.

I am disgusted this morning thinking that the 5 year relationship is best left alone and ended. I am looking at some significant surgery late next week, now, thinking I do not want her in my life, although she desired to continue the relationship regardless, stay with me in the hosptial, now thinking I do not want her there; and I did not express any desire to end the relationship, but my gut tells me that her rabid side is very threatening, and thinking of potential red flag laws, that she does not think clearly, and is anti and she now can not be trusted due to the emergence of her clandestine rabid anti-system politics. Thinking now that she would vote to take my gun rights away. She says that she would respect my firearms interests, hunting lifestyle, and politics and that we should not talk about these matters. But, I do not think I can trust her. She reminded me that at my age of a very young looking 71 year old, that I will never find a replacement for someone who loves me as much as she does. Likely so?
I am just disgusted with her clandestine anger over my type of beliefs, and a mega change in my perception that my image of her personality has now changed radically for the worse. My gut is so upset that I have not intent to call her and given the very heated discussion last night I do not want to talk to her. I feel like my love and attraction for her has gone down the drain. I was going to change my will shortly and considerations were to put her in it, but now, that consideration is off the table completely. I see no need to have her move into my home, essentially rent free; and have her potentially vote to take my rights away.
I have son close by who can take care of me during and following the hospital care, and do not want her in my life today or thinking this entire week before the surgery. Any ideas?
Thanks.
Get out of the relationship....fast. She will red flag you......Willie Nelson said "walking is better than crawling away, and runnin aint no good at all"
 
She has know of my firearms for years, my hunting interests, which she did not like, but I never disclosed the ar's and mini 14 that I have. Nor did I tell her the other night. The discussion was about her view that ar's should not be accessible for military or police use only. And ar are for killing only, and have no other use. She learned this from TV and the news.
 
Thing is modern assault weapons stopped being sold to citizens back in 1986, thanks to Reagan, so she really doesn't need to worry about 'assault weapons' anyhow:eek:
That is only a little correct and mostly wrong he stopped new fully automatic weapons from being registered after 1986, so a strengthening of the 1934 National Firearms Act (NFA) all weapons registered before are eligible to be sold and re-sold. Not good that's true, but narrow not wide ranging like you assert. Clinton did the Assault Weapons Ban that expired in 2004.
 
That is only a little correct and mostly wrong he stopped new fully automatic weapons from being registered after 1986, so a strengthening of the 1934 National Firearms Act (NFA) all weapons registered before are eligible to be sold and re-sold. Not good that's true, but narrow not wide ranging like you assert. Clinton did the Assault Weapons Ban that expired in 2004.


An actual 'assault weapon' is a modern military gun that shoots full auto & those haven't been sold to civilians since 1986

Libs like to think that semi auto AK-47's & AR-15's are assault weapons but that is false
 
OP it is about TRUST, she deceived you for the past five years, How can you rebuild the trust, let alone work out a life going forward. After five years you still don't know her, and you never will.
 
I know of a few couples that essentially cancel eachother's votes out. How it works is a mystery to me.

That stated, you two broached a subject that you both vehemently and passionately disagree on.

Healthy relationships rely upon how much one person can deal with the other person's bubblegum as much as how much one enjoys the other's company. This toleration is a sign of true unconditional love.

If her attitude/beliefs are things that you can't stand, then yes, your thinking of ending the relationship is for the better.

If you can overlook this major flaw of hers...then perhaps the relationship can be salvaged. If not, then no need to be in a potentially unhealthy relationship.

A relationship is also dependent upon trust. If you feel that she can't ever be trusted due to what you know now, then you never will be able to trust her.

I still suggest finding a woman that you can tolerate(and that tolerates you), 'cause growing old alone sucks.
 
After 5 years and her nearly moving in to my home in the next 2 months, the topic of the leftist's anti-america platform came up over dinner. The discussion evolved into the far left's goal to dismantle the 2nd A and her position that all "all assault weapons" should not be sold to civilians. Although he had her facts totally wrong, I was in a state of shock over her profound anger over the 'assault rifle' issue. I was so scared of her anger on the issue that I did not mention that I had several. Her anger over the weapons issue was one thing, but what emerged was her livid anger over the "system, the rich, Trump, etc.". In previous discussion on politics I have almost always avoided discussion, thinking that her democratic ideas was moderate, but now I think she is much more left leaning and rabid. She now raised the issue that her moving in could be deal breaker over my conservative politics and pro-gun assault firearms issues.
I was stone cold over her anti-gun assault gun issue although she was not anti-gun on other firearms; so she said.
So, she said that perhaps we should not stay the night together and I told her to do what she wants to do. She left my home very politely, wanted to stay but she clearly saw my stone cold emotions for her and not at all attractions for her and he rapport was destroyed between us. She left about 9 pm. I warned her politely that I thought that her leaving that evening was a very bad idea; now thinking that if she was living here in the future, that she would bolt if things get difficult. She was going to live her rent free but for food and utility costs.

I was royally disgusted with her last night and still am. I am thinking now that she harbored this profound anger over the years, about firearms and the system that there was another side of her personality that caused me to think that my attraction was to somebody else and not this rabid democrat or leftist thinker.

I am disgusted this morning thinking that the 5 year relationship is best left alone and ended. I am looking at some significant surgery late next week, now, thinking I do not want her in my life, although she desired to continue the relationship regardless, stay with me in the hosptial, now thinking I do not want her there; and I did not express any desire to end the relationship, but my gut tells me that her rabid side is very threatening, and thinking of potential red flag laws, that she does not think clearly, and is anti and she now can not be trusted due to the emergence of her clandestine rabid anti-system politics. Thinking now that she would vote to take my gun rights away. She says that she would respect my firearms interests, hunting lifestyle, and politics and that we should not talk about these matters. But, I do not think I can trust her. She reminded me that at my age of a very young looking 71 year old, that I will never find a replacement for someone who loves me as much as she does. Likely so?
I am just disgusted with her clandestine anger over my type of beliefs, and a mega change in my perception that my image of her personality has now changed radically for the worse. My gut is so upset that I have not intent to call her and given the very heated discussion last night I do not want to talk to her. I feel like my love and attraction for her has gone down the drain. I was going to change my will shortly and considerations were to put her in it, but now, that consideration is off the table completely. I see no need to have her move into my home, essentially rent free; and have her potentially vote to take my rights away.
I have son close by who can take care of me during and following the hospital care, and do not want her in my life today or thinking this entire week before the surgery. Any ideas?
Thanks.



Best of luck to you, friend.
 
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Think about all the money you'll save being single and all the shiny new rifles you can buy! And nobody will judge you but the other 87 ARs and a dozen or so AK cousins. Heck, you could even buy a .50!
 
Right now I am feeling no loss of her because her rabid anger on the issues, guns, trump, the system; was so shocking that I feel my feelings went down the drain.
Picked up some sauce tonight that would be good for you after your surgery. Tasty.
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After 5 years and her nearly moving in to my home in the next 2 months, the topic of the leftist's anti-america platform came up over dinner. The discussion evolved into the far left's goal to dismantle the 2nd A and her position that all "all assault weapons" should not be sold to civilians. Although he had her facts totally wrong, I was in a state of shock over her profound anger over the 'assault rifle' issue. I was so scared of her anger on the issue that I did not mention that I had several. Her anger over the weapons issue was one thing, but what emerged was her livid anger over the "system, the rich, Trump, etc.". In previous discussion on politics I have almost always avoided discussion, thinking that her democratic ideas was moderate, but now I think she is much more left leaning and rabid. She now raised the issue that her moving in could be deal breaker over my conservative politics and pro-gun assault firearms issues.
I was stone cold over her anti-gun assault gun issue although she was not anti-gun on other firearms; so she said.
So, she said that perhaps we should not stay the night together and I told her to do what she wants to do. She left my home very politely, wanted to stay but she clearly saw my stone cold emotions for her and not at all attractions for her and he rapport was destroyed between us. She left about 9 pm. I warned her politely that I thought that her leaving that evening was a very bad idea; now thinking that if she was living here in the future, that she would bolt if things get difficult. She was going to live her rent free but for food and utility costs.

I was royally disgusted with her last night and still am. I am thinking now that she harbored this profound anger over the years, about firearms and the system that there was another side of her personality that caused me to think that my attraction was to somebody else and not this rabid democrat or leftist thinker.

I am disgusted this morning thinking that the 5 year relationship is best left alone and ended. I am looking at some significant surgery late next week, now, thinking I do not want her in my life, although she desired to continue the relationship regardless, stay with me in the hosptial, now thinking I do not want her there; and I did not express any desire to end the relationship, but my gut tells me that her rabid side is very threatening, and thinking of potential red flag laws, that she does not think clearly, and is anti and she now can not be trusted due to the emergence of her clandestine rabid anti-system politics. Thinking now that she would vote to take my gun rights away. She says that she would respect my firearms interests, hunting lifestyle, and politics and that we should not talk about these matters. But, I do not think I can trust her. She reminded me that at my age of a very young looking 71 year old, that I will never find a replacement for someone who loves me as much as she does. Likely so?
I am just disgusted with her clandestine anger over my type of beliefs, and a mega change in my perception that my image of her personality has now changed radically for the worse. My gut is so upset that I have not intent to call her and given the very heated discussion last night I do not want to talk to her. I feel like my love and attraction for her has gone down the drain. I was going to change my will shortly and considerations were to put her in it, but now, that consideration is off the table completely. I see no need to have her move into my home, essentially rent free; and have her potentially vote to take my rights away.
I have son close by who can take care of me during and following the hospital care, and do not want her in my life today or thinking this entire week before the surgery. Any ideas?
Thanks.
You'll regret it if you allow her to move in use the KISS system and just stay friends Cheaper too , But it is totally up to you JMO

Worst case she calls the police and say's you threatened her they take all your guns and your never allowed to own or posses them again. Man i would run away from this and fast
 
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I'd get a friend or family to stay at your home while you're in the hospital. Last thing you need is someone with a key to your house doing something out of character, out of vengeance.

Advice like this is worth what you paid for it, but honestly, as I read this, that lady is a "red flag" application waiting to happen. Wish it wasn't true but I've seen friends live through the nightmare of "he hit me" when absolutely nothing happened. Common sense and logic go right out the window. Guilty until proven innocent, to be sure.

Best wishes on your surgery and recovery.
 
With having five years invested in the relationship, I would throw a Hail Mary pass and see if she can be convinced to look at things from your point...........wait.........never mind. I just remembered that I once went down this path with a girlfriend who didn't like hunting. Move on.

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