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Hello, I decided to re-due this post.
On Sep 21, 2010 at approximately 4:30pm I decided to go to a plaid pantry store on Farmington Rd. a few blocks east of Murray blvd. in Beaverton. I am a Washington Co. Conceal Handgun License holder (valid) and so I decided to open carry my firearm in a blackhawk serpa level II holster. At approximately 4:40pm while I was about a block away from plaid I noticed a marked Beaverton police car come towards me in a high rate of speed, but the police vehicle slowed down as there was traffic in front of it. I could visually tell that the Officer in the passenger side of the police vehicle saw me with my sidearm. About ten seconds later I noticed another marked unit drive towards me. At this time no one approached me and I continued to walk towards plaid. Once I was in the plaid parking lot, I noticed a police vehicle pull in right behind me (reflection off the glass from the stores) and I continued to enter the plaid pantry and I purchased a pack of cigarettes and talked to the clerk for a few seconds and told her jokingly "look I bet there are here for me". As I began to walk towards the doors I noticed two uniformed officers coming towards the building and I decided to show them my CHL inside my wallet as I exited the store. They (officers Crino and Bennett) made contact with me and I gave them my IDs and they began to ask me as to why I was open carrying that day. I asked Officer Crino if I had permission to record the situation on my cell phone and he rudely said "NO! you don't have permission", and I understood, and I began to tell the officers that it was my right to do so and with a CHL I was legally able to do so. Officer Crino then began to tell me how it causes alarm and how it would be a better idea if I concealed carry. I told officer Crino that I was worried about my weapon printing and also I had the right to open carry, and officer Crino made the comment about how maybe I should get a bigger shirt and that my license is for CONCEAL CARRY not to open carry.
To make a long story short, I made it clear that I was within my legal right to open carry and that I was not violating any laws. Officer Crino looked as if he was getting annoyed, and I can only assume because I was standing my ground and not giving into his unwanted suggestions. Officer Crino also made it clear that it was legal for me to do what I was doing but it was casing alarm and they (police) had better things to do and they didn't want to keep on responding to the same call of a man with a gun. I told officer Crino that I understood his pint of view but I was not doing anything illegal... and he made a comment about how he also had the option of possibly contact Washington Co. about this matter, and how it could cause me to get my CHL revoked. I took that as a threat. At that time I should have stopped talking to officers Crino and Bennett but I did not stop talking and that was a big mistake on my part. I should have just gave them my CHL and kept quiet, but I told officer Crino that if it made the police happy, I would pull my shirt over my firearm and be done with it.
Two other officers showed up and after it was all over I obtained the officer's names accept for officer Crino's because he refused to give me his police card and said that his name was on his uniform and I understood. I know police don't have to give you their card and that their name and badge number are on their uniform (assuming they are a uniform officer). At close to 5:00pm I was able to walk away and I had a few questions for the officers but they said that they had to go and they had things to do. As I began to walk away I contacted Washington Co. none-emergency and requested to have a Sargent contact me so I could further understand the situation. I received a phone call back from Sargent Burke with the Beaverton Police Department and I spoke with him over the phone. I have provided a audio recording of my conversation with the SGT and it is missing about three seconds of the beginning due to technical difficulties and I also didn't remember the Sargent's name so I had to call none-emergency and have the dispatcher tell me what the contacting Sargent's name was and she informed me that it was SGT. Burke.
The funny thing was that officer Crino had contacted his SGT about this matter but officer Crino did not mention anything about him making comments about how he (Crino) could or had the option to contact Washington Co. about me open carrying and alerting the public and possibly causing my CHL to be revoked (IMHO if Crino did that he would look bad). I felt that if I was able to record the conversation between me and officer Crino, I would be able to provide proof to SGT. Burke about his officer's attitude towards my CHL permit. Also the subject of me being close to a school was brought up.... as far as I am concerned, the only school close to me was Beaverton High School and that was one (1) mile away from the plaid pantry (where I was contacted by police). I do not believe there were any other schools in the area other then BHS. Also as far as I know I CAN be on public school property with a firearm as long as it is concealed (unless it is private school/property) so I don't know why they tried to bring the whole school thing into play because I was not on school property.....
THIS IS MY PHONE CONVERSATION WITH SARGENT BURKE....(the first voice you hear is mine)
YouTube - Phone conversation between me and SGT.Burke of the Beaverton Police.
First two officers that made contact with me:
Officer Crino (BPD)
Officer Rex Bennett (BPD)
Last two officers that showed up:
Officer Svetlana Brunson (BPD)
Officer Gregory Schapp (BPD)
Contacting Sargent (contacted me upon my request)
Sgt. Burke (BPD)
(BPD=Beaverton Police Department)
On Sep 21, 2010 at approximately 4:30pm I decided to go to a plaid pantry store on Farmington Rd. a few blocks east of Murray blvd. in Beaverton. I am a Washington Co. Conceal Handgun License holder (valid) and so I decided to open carry my firearm in a blackhawk serpa level II holster. At approximately 4:40pm while I was about a block away from plaid I noticed a marked Beaverton police car come towards me in a high rate of speed, but the police vehicle slowed down as there was traffic in front of it. I could visually tell that the Officer in the passenger side of the police vehicle saw me with my sidearm. About ten seconds later I noticed another marked unit drive towards me. At this time no one approached me and I continued to walk towards plaid. Once I was in the plaid parking lot, I noticed a police vehicle pull in right behind me (reflection off the glass from the stores) and I continued to enter the plaid pantry and I purchased a pack of cigarettes and talked to the clerk for a few seconds and told her jokingly "look I bet there are here for me". As I began to walk towards the doors I noticed two uniformed officers coming towards the building and I decided to show them my CHL inside my wallet as I exited the store. They (officers Crino and Bennett) made contact with me and I gave them my IDs and they began to ask me as to why I was open carrying that day. I asked Officer Crino if I had permission to record the situation on my cell phone and he rudely said "NO! you don't have permission", and I understood, and I began to tell the officers that it was my right to do so and with a CHL I was legally able to do so. Officer Crino then began to tell me how it causes alarm and how it would be a better idea if I concealed carry. I told officer Crino that I was worried about my weapon printing and also I had the right to open carry, and officer Crino made the comment about how maybe I should get a bigger shirt and that my license is for CONCEAL CARRY not to open carry.
To make a long story short, I made it clear that I was within my legal right to open carry and that I was not violating any laws. Officer Crino looked as if he was getting annoyed, and I can only assume because I was standing my ground and not giving into his unwanted suggestions. Officer Crino also made it clear that it was legal for me to do what I was doing but it was casing alarm and they (police) had better things to do and they didn't want to keep on responding to the same call of a man with a gun. I told officer Crino that I understood his pint of view but I was not doing anything illegal... and he made a comment about how he also had the option of possibly contact Washington Co. about this matter, and how it could cause me to get my CHL revoked. I took that as a threat. At that time I should have stopped talking to officers Crino and Bennett but I did not stop talking and that was a big mistake on my part. I should have just gave them my CHL and kept quiet, but I told officer Crino that if it made the police happy, I would pull my shirt over my firearm and be done with it.
Two other officers showed up and after it was all over I obtained the officer's names accept for officer Crino's because he refused to give me his police card and said that his name was on his uniform and I understood. I know police don't have to give you their card and that their name and badge number are on their uniform (assuming they are a uniform officer). At close to 5:00pm I was able to walk away and I had a few questions for the officers but they said that they had to go and they had things to do. As I began to walk away I contacted Washington Co. none-emergency and requested to have a Sargent contact me so I could further understand the situation. I received a phone call back from Sargent Burke with the Beaverton Police Department and I spoke with him over the phone. I have provided a audio recording of my conversation with the SGT and it is missing about three seconds of the beginning due to technical difficulties and I also didn't remember the Sargent's name so I had to call none-emergency and have the dispatcher tell me what the contacting Sargent's name was and she informed me that it was SGT. Burke.
The funny thing was that officer Crino had contacted his SGT about this matter but officer Crino did not mention anything about him making comments about how he (Crino) could or had the option to contact Washington Co. about me open carrying and alerting the public and possibly causing my CHL to be revoked (IMHO if Crino did that he would look bad). I felt that if I was able to record the conversation between me and officer Crino, I would be able to provide proof to SGT. Burke about his officer's attitude towards my CHL permit. Also the subject of me being close to a school was brought up.... as far as I am concerned, the only school close to me was Beaverton High School and that was one (1) mile away from the plaid pantry (where I was contacted by police). I do not believe there were any other schools in the area other then BHS. Also as far as I know I CAN be on public school property with a firearm as long as it is concealed (unless it is private school/property) so I don't know why they tried to bring the whole school thing into play because I was not on school property.....
THIS IS MY PHONE CONVERSATION WITH SARGENT BURKE....(the first voice you hear is mine)
YouTube - Phone conversation between me and SGT.Burke of the Beaverton Police.
First two officers that made contact with me:
Officer Crino (BPD)
Officer Rex Bennett (BPD)
Last two officers that showed up:
Officer Svetlana Brunson (BPD)
Officer Gregory Schapp (BPD)
Contacting Sargent (contacted me upon my request)
Sgt. Burke (BPD)
(BPD=Beaverton Police Department)
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