I was looking at some of them in the 60gr that I think would work just fine. Its my understanding Hammers are designed to fragment a bit... Im not really a fan of the 223 for hunting in the first place so my initial idea was leaning on the heavier to pack a punch so to speak.
They didnt state on their website but as long as I know they accept a longer length I can afford to buy one just to try.
Ive actually given this consideration as Im not a fan of 223 for hunting, problem is I already have traditional hunting rifles in ideal calibers. The AR is just a fun range toy but i wouldnt mind giving it a real job to do for scouting trips and as a backup hunting rifle in camp.
FWIW, From Hammer's web site
So... looks like Hammer is saying, find a seating depth that fits the magazine and develop your load accordingly.
What they are referring to is freebore jump, what im asking about is how far inside the case it protrudes. I dont know what the max limit is, but pretty confident there is one....
Most bullets seem as unobtanium as primers these days, but I'd look at the Nosler 60 gr Partition or the 64 grain Bonded Solid Base. The BSB's have gone out of production, but I still see them on clearances periodically. Both will perform well across the range a 223 is effective. A big advantage of Hammer is that you can actually get your hands on some and that's not trivial!
Not what I quoted. I went back and bolded the word in the quote of their web site "or".
Thats the problem is its hard to find bullets you want, cant fi d 223 partitions... But Hammers are always available.
Thats interesting, im still cautious. Their 73gr really would protrude pretty deep into the case. Maybe I will email them later tonight and ask...
I think it's mostly because most people haven't heard of them. Yet.
I agree, but their name is getting around the hunting forums and even the owner is participating.
It's also because Hammer manufacturers there own bullets and all they need is the correct copper alloy to do it. They're of a size that they have been able to order and maintain the raw materials they need to date. That could change, but their advantage over others is likely that they only need one thing to stay in operation.
I did some more web searching on this and found a couple articles. A Ron Spomer article discussed seating depth in a good article on the subject but his reference to the 6.5 creedmore led me to its Wikipedia page that has a photo insert caption describing to not seat below the case neck or you will get a "donut" problem. It didn't elaborate, but perhaps it does tell me that there is a limit on how far into a case a longer projectile can be seated....
www.ronspomeroutdoors.com
I'll see if I can find the info. I believe it came from one of my precision reloading books.I did some more web searching on this and found a couple articles. A Ron Spomer article discussed seating depth in a good article on the subject but his reference to the 6.5 creedmore led me to its Wikipedia page that has a photo insert caption describing to not seat below the case neck or you will get a "donut" problem. It didn't elaborate, but perhaps it does tell me that there is a limit on how far into a case a longer projectile can be seated....
The Ron Spomer article is interesting because he seems to be challenging the idea that a long bullet takes up too much powder space.
Bullet Seating Depth Misconception — Ron Spomer Outdoors
Bullet seating depth may or may not compromise your cartridge's performance. The data here shows why it isn't worth worrying about.
The Wikipedia article on the 6.5 Creedmore mentions the issue of long bullets causing a donut problem but doesnt elaborate on what that is.
6.5mm Creedmoor - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
I did some more web searching on this and found a couple articles. A Ron Spomer article discussed seating depth in a good article on the subject but his reference to the 6.5 creedmore led me to its Wikipedia page that has a photo insert caption describing to not seat below the case neck or you will get a "donut" problem. It didn't elaborate, but perhaps it does tell me that there is a limit on how far into a case a longer projectile can be seated....
The Ron Spomer article is interesting because he seems to be challenging the idea that a long bullet takes up too much powder space.
Bullet Seating Depth Misconception — Ron Spomer Outdoors
Bullet seating depth may or may not compromise your cartridge's performance. The data here shows why it isn't worth worrying about.
The Wikipedia article on the 6.5 Creedmore mentions the issue of long bullets causing a donut problem but doesnt elaborate on what that is.
6.5mm Creedmoor - Wikipedia
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so then that means the donut problem is not related to how far into the case the bullet protrudes....?Talk to me about the dreaded case neck "Donut"
So what is the donut, how does it get there and what effect does it have on loading and load performance?? I suspect I have donuts in my Lapua case neck as I'm getting signs of pressure in a gas gun when there should be none. Due to some pressure signs of swipe and ejector marks in what I...
"The donut is a result of thicker shoulder material migrating into the neck. You can have donuts without having ever turned a neck.
Your bushing die should alleviate any donut issues though as it leaves the neck shoulder junction untouched as it resides in the dies bushing chamfer area so any thick part shouldn't encroach too far inside the neck since it isn't being pushed in."
