Mass private gun sale event?

[ILoveMyWoobie]

What do you guys and gals think would happen if a well organized mass gun sales event happened where everyone sold a firearm to one another? If hundreds/thousands of people showed up and sold firearms disregarding sb941 in a single all day event? Just wanted to see what people think would be the outcome.

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ORS 166.432(2)(b)
Definition of a 'gunshow'
Triggered when 25 or more firearms are present for transfer.

 

[etrain16]

And there is already a somewhat similar event in the works for those who are interested:

https://www.northwestfirearms.com/t...ot-comply-rally-may-16th.196940/#post-1267146

 

[Skier]

And I think there was an event like this in Washington not long ago, and all seemed to go well, with no fights amongst each other or any problems with law enforcement (and no permit to do so, citing the right to free assembly).

 

[frauhunter]

What do you guys and gals think would happen if a well organized mass gun sales event happened where everyone sold a firearm to one another? If hundreds/thousands of people showed up and sold firearms disregarding sb941 in a single all day event? Just wanted to see what people think would be the outcome.

Here's an idea from [way] out of left field...

I understand that floating casinos, brothels, and 420 cafes, can operate without interference once they are a certain distance out to sea - three (3) miles for state interests, twelve (12) miles for federal, and two hundred (200) miles for the economic zone.

So why not stage a floating gun show outside the jurisdiction of the freedom haters?

Since this is a nation of many laws I rather suspect this idea can't avoid violating a few - but not being a lawyer I have no idea what the specifics might be. Also, not being terribly nautical I have no idea what it would take to finance an appropriate craft and crew for a day or weekend excursion beyond which ever limit a lawyer advises. Anybody with knowledge regarding either please feel free to shoot me down in flames...

Ex Gladio Libertas

 

[dirtysteve]

Its worth your time more than voting! Because we all know that makes a difference.

 

[bellarum]

Here's an idea from [way] out of left field...

I understand that floating casinos, brothels, and 420 cafes, can operate without interference once they are a certain distance out to sea - three (3) miles for state interests, twelve (12) miles for federal, and two hundred (200) miles for the economic zone.

So why not stage a floating gun show outside the jurisdiction of the freedom haters?

Since this is a nation of many laws I rather suspect this idea can't avoid violating a few - but not being a lawyer I have no idea what the specifics might be. Also, not being terribly nautical I have no idea what it would take to finance an appropriate craft and crew for a day or weekend excursion beyond which ever limit a lawyer advises. Anybody with knowledge regarding either please feel free to shoot me down in flames...

Ex Gladio Libertas

"They" would want to see a GPS receipt for your "gun show/boat show"

 

[Heywood]

are people seriously planning to comply with this?

 

[willseeker]

are people seriously planning to comply with this?

No comment.

 

[ILoveMyWoobie]

are people seriously planning to comply with this?

What is this word "comply" you speak of? I am fluent in one language and that's Murica'! The word "comply" is not in my vocab

 

[Just Jim]

Well not sure I read it right but the fine on an illegal sale was $6250 on the first sale and is a misdemeanor. Second was 10 years in prison and a fine. From what I was reading there will be a state police agency with 8 full time troopers out to collect your money. Revenue will be pursued in all manners.

Not not positive this was the final bill but it was in the original.

I won't sell in this state what few guns I have left, will put them on Gunbroker and ship them out to a legal ffl.

 

[Heywood]

It would not end well for anyone that tries to put a man away for ten years because he loaned a couple guns to his buddy and got fingered by a nosy neighbor or a jaded ex. Remember ruby ridge? That was federal and it didn't end well For all involved. I couldn't see this happening more than once in Oregon and people not raising hell over it.

 

[Brian Duvall]

There was some rumors that some gun stores were in favor of this bill because it meant that they would charge a fee to handle the transactions....

I like Northwest Armory but they charge one of the highest fees for transfers to them...$40 (not including the $10 background check)....I could see them being in favor of this merely for the fact of how much money they may make for not selling a handgun. Most gunstores or FFL only make around 10% on gunsales, so for many of them they only make $50 on average handgun sales...

I know there are responsibilities a FFL has with record keeping, but what a way to supplement sales or lack thereof.

If I found out a dealer was in favor of it I would make sure they never got my business....

 

[Just Jim]

Like I said, not sure I am reading it right. I did a search and it's what came up.

 

[etrain16]

Like I said, not sure I am reading it right. I did a search and it's what came up.

I haven't seen that provision, but it was suggested as an alternative to SB941 in Minority Report #1 presented on Monday - provide funding for 8 full time state officers to enforce existing gun laws in place of SB941. The dems claimed they couldn't afford that as an option. But you're saying that there is something similar in the base bill itself?

 

[Just Jim]

Honestly I searched on bing and came up with several sites that said the same thing but I couldn't find enough info that I am comfortable with. Any help would be appreciated.

 

[etrain16]

Honestly I searched on bing and came up with several sites that said the same thing but I couldn't find enough info that I am comfortable with. Any help would be appreciated.

I'll try and do a little checking on it tomorrow and see if I can find some more concrete information.

 

[Martini_Up]

Here's an idea from [way] out of left field...

I understand that floating casinos, brothels, and 420 cafes, can operate without interference once they are a certain distance out to sea - three (3) miles for state interests, twelve (12) miles for federal, and two hundred (200) miles for the economic zone.

So why not stage a floating gun show outside the jurisdiction of the freedom haters?

Since this is a nation of many laws I rather suspect this idea can't avoid violating a few - but not being a lawyer I have no idea what the specifics might be. Also, not being terribly nautical I have no idea what it would take to finance an appropriate craft and crew for a day or weekend excursion beyond which ever limit a lawyer advises. Anybody with knowledge regarding either please feel free to shoot me down in flames...

Ex Gladio Libertas

Maritime Law and it is as complicated as they come. Many pre-date the founding of our own country.

 

[MinnesotaORnewbie]

A floating Gun broker site 3 miles out on sea?
Might be more expensive than the transfer fee. Unless, if it is a floating brothel, bar, 420 site, casino, gun dealer and broker, and one stop shop weapons of mass destruction. Hell, they might just pay you to do a gun deal out there.

 

[Plumcrazy70]

There was some rumors that some gun stores were in favor of this bill because it meant that they would charge a fee to handle the transactions....

I like Northwest Armory but they charge one of the highest fees for transfers to them...$40 (not including the $10 background check)....I could see them being in favor of this merely for the fact of how much money they may make for not selling a handgun. Most gunstores or FFL only make around 10% on gunsales, so for many of them they only make $50 on average handgun sales...

I know there are responsibilities a FFL has with record keeping, but what a way to supplement sales or lack thereof.

If I found out a dealer was in favor of it I would make sure they never got my business....

FYI - The owner of Northwest Armory along with several other gun shop owners (including the owner of Rich's Gun Shop located in Donald OR) testified against SB941. They all gave really good explanations as to why they thought this law is a really bad idea... So I would recommend that you do some checking on how the owners of a gun shop feel about SB941 before you have any dealings with them. And don't be too quick to just lump all gun store owners into a group of "greedy bastards". I would have to say that the majority of the ones i deal with are not...