Liberal gun owners need to educate your fellow libs!

[tacticalgunner]

Last night my wife's extremely liberal friends came over for a NYE get together. I like them as people, but their politics I don't agree with, anyways, I have a stack of gun mags in the powder room bathroom and the conversation started. I made one comment that triggered the biggest debate, I said not all liberals believe in the anti-gun position. So being their portland selves, they went on the inform me that any real lib was anti-gun. So, for those libs in here, please make your voice heard louder and louder to convince your fellow libs that it's not the tool, it's the operator that causes harm, and most of all, your views of the 2A, and how you support it.
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[simon99]

I'm not trying to start anything, but I find it difficult, if not impossible to comprehend that a self-proclaimed hardcore liberal could or would be in support of the Second Amendment.

Is that even possible?

Politics aside, the very things that some people are in support of are the foundations of tyranny. I don't get it.

 

[Mark W.]

I find it hard to believe that anyone can be all or nothing

While on many issues I would call myself a conservative I also have some strong libertarian views and even some Liberal. Though I can't think of any real socialist and certainly no commie points.

So?

 

[simon99]

I find it hard to believe that anyone can be all or nothing

While on many issues I would call myself a conservative I also have some strong libertarian views and even some Liberal. Though I can't think of any real socialist and certainly no commie points.

So?

In other words you have an open mind? Amen to that Mark.

The ones that get me are the close minded ones.

 

[tacticalgunner]

There are for a fact some hardcore gun toting libs on this forum, they need to be preaching to there friends, that's my thought. A lot of them are uneducated about their on people. I think if some Liberal folks would admit they are 2a freedom lovers also, things could change a little.

 

[OcelotZ3]

Where I work, I've seen the most anti-gun positions from conservatives vs. the more liberal side. Positions like "you shouldn't be able to own a silencer", "assault weapons should be banned", "you have too many guns", etc. It's not as simple as many folks would like it to be.

 

[freestoneangler]

I think many would be surprised to find that a high percentage of liberals are supportive of 2nd Amendment Rights and even a larger percentage own guns for sport and personal defense. What concerns me are folks who think you can start down the slippery road of enacting new "sensible gun laws". The perfect example is CA. This once blood red state was the origin of adding "sensible gun law and restrictions"... and we now see where this has led.

So, from the standpoint of being able to operate on both sides of the political spectrum, if even just slightly in one or the other, doing so when it comes to gun control is not good. Once you start chipping away at the foundation, it won't take long to topple the structure.

I urge everyone who values your right to own and freely use firearms in a lawful manner, regardless of your political affiliation, to make it known to all current lawmakers or prospective candidates that you will not stand for meddling with the Second Amendment...in any way, shape or form.

 

[ocarolan]

I'm not trying to start anything, but I find it difficult, if not impossible to comprehend that a self-proclaimed hardcore liberal could or would be in support of the Second Amendment.

Bottom line is we need democrats on our side... Last year's Oregon HB 3200 would have passed if some had not opposed it.

Many folks would love to see a state congress of Republican/Constitution/Libertarian senators, but reality is we have Democrats. Best option is to isolate the "gun control" position. Treat it as a fringe movement. Assume the right to self-defense is part of any established political party's platform.

If you look at other recent issues (eg Marijuana rights) they have succeeded by gaining mindshare from both conservatives and liberals, and not isolating themselves to one party.

 

[Bacchus]

I don't see any reason why anybody of any political persuasion would necessarily agree with all of the positions with the political party which they most identify, unless the party itself is what they identify with (for example, "I vote Dem! I must be cool and hip!" ).

Regarding gun owning libs on gun forums: they seem to vote Dem, meaning that even though they believe in the 2nd, it is not their main priority; they're much more interested in redistributing the wealth from the productive folk to the nonproductive.

 

[OLDNEWBIE]

In most cases it's a lost cause tacticalgunner. Where you can make a difference is waking up the unaware non-political types who don't even vote DESPITE mail in ballots here in OR.!
It's a stereotype but true. A young working class male, maybe hunts or thinking about getting into target shooting. Thinking about buying a first home, unaware of the high property taxes or where all the money goes. Maybe has a slacker brother in law who is on section 8 housing and living better than himself etc.........
I've worked with a bunch of young, non college educated types who let their parents vote for them or don't bother. I have awakened more than a few out of their political coma by educating them about what the left is up to and I know they now vote accordingly. Don't assume your cool workmate who you get on with on almost everything votes.
BTW the non college education means they haven't been exposed to the intense leftie peer pressure, not meant as a cut down in any way!

 

[U201491]

Regarding gun owning libs on gun forums: they seem to vote Dem, meaning that even though they believe in the 2nd, it is not their main priority; they're much more interested in redistributing the wealth from the productive folk to the nonproductive.

Someone else sure better try to educate the Leftists. I cant even communicate with most of them without having Imodium handy.
As for you comment, I think nonreproductive might be a good goal to go with for all of them.

 

[simon99]

Most, not all, liberals and people that vote Dem. that I know tend to have, how should I say,.....loved ones that are using the system to its full potential? Either through government programs, schooling, welfare, etc. and I feel are pretty much aware to the fact that by voting ( R) they feel like they are betraying them. Maybe I'm wrong? I'm just saying that supporting these entitlement programs is a big part of the overall foundation of the left and most, not all, Democrats in general. Any support to these "programs", entitlement, education, healthcare....these are all systems set in place, bought and paid for, by a socialist aristocracy, a dangerous ruling class that is in no way supportive of individual rights, especially the Second Amendment.

 

[OLDNEWBIE]

Someone else sure better try to educate the Leftists. I cant even communicate with most of them without having Imodium handy.
As for you comment, I think nonreproductive might be a good goal to go with for all of them.

With their obsession/promotion about abortion/birth control, maybe in one or two generations the leftist population will shrink somewhat?

 

[BAMCIS]

Good luck with that! My experience tells me it's next to impossible to "educate" a lib on anything. They are by far the most closed minded people on earth.

 

[Doc In UPlace]

The way I see it, anybody in favor of a thing that I want is my ally; anybody opposed to the thing that I want is a foe.

In this case, anyone who is protecting the 2a from further encroachment and the slippery slope of "common sense" measures is a friend to be kept, and alienating them by suggesting they are idiots because they don't agree with me on everything does not help my cause at all.

Encouraging political bigotry may feel emotionally satisfying to some people and is an easy appeal to the fringe, but it's the consensus of the center that will carry enough votes to get things done or oppose restrictive laws. Remember it was Dems in Olympia that passed the law allowing Washingtonians to use suppressors.

 

[MikeE]

This is a good discussion, thanks for starting it. The liberal-left side of the house, in the USA, is a coalition, as is the conservative- right side.
On the left, the middle-class educated white part of the coalition is probably the most consciously anti-gun. I find, the higher you go on the income scale, the more the people have attitude like the OP described.
Another part of the coalition is African - American. While some have a vocal anti-gun attitude due to the high rate of gun violence in some neighborhoods, you also find a lot of people who are gun owners, both in big cities when possible, and in rural southern states. So obviously you have alot of liberal voting gun owners there, given the percentage of black Democratic vote.
The Latino population also has considerable gun owning numbers, especially in places like New Mexico and Texas.
Native American vote has been critical to Democratic wins in New Mexico and in S. Dakota and Montana. Gun ownership is pretty universal in those communities.
Lastly there is labor. Think of unions like the ILWU, the Steelworkers, United Mineworkers, UAW, Teamsters, and plenty of others. Lots of gun owners there.
These are key parts of the Democratic coalition, and any democratic politician will listen to representatives and constituents of these groups. I think the pro-gun community makes a mistake by so closely linking A2 politics with other conservative positions. I understand the reasons that this has developed. But an effort to reach out the the above groups would really strengthen the pro A2 position.

 

[BAMCIS]

The way I see it, anybody in favor of a thing that I want is my ally; anybody opposed to the thing that I want is a foe.

In this case, anyone who is protecting the 2a from further encroachment and the slippery slope of "common sense" measures is a friend to be kept, and alienating them by suggesting they are idiots because they don't agree with me on everything does not help my cause at all.

Encouraging political bigotry may feel emotionally satisfying to some people and is an easy appeal to the fringe, but it's the consensus of the center that will carry enough votes to get things done or oppose restrictive laws. Remember it was Dems in Olympia that passed the law allowing Washingtonians to use suppressors.

I hear you. Believe me I have tried my very best to patiently educate libs my whole life. But in the end I'm just:

 

[U201491]

My oldest son is far more liberal then conservative, he is registered Dem too. He also has many firearms and has a CC
and is very extreme support of the 2nd.
He is so much so that he says and I quote " bubblegum you if you come and try and take my guns ".
He voted for the King twice and regrets it deeply, although believed we had very little choices and he feared a war with Iran.

Point is I know my son and when it comes to the Constitution he very protective of it. But he is liberal in other ways that are his business. Like Mark, I have some Liberal views on some stuff, not allot but some. And in some issues I am more conservative. I belong to no known political party never have, just a non-partisan voter a rarity now days.

Anyways, I think my son is so pro-2nd because of his dad , who is a respectful descent person ( I try )and he sees this as an example of good gun ownership in what he sees in me. It is why gun owners who practice stupidly piss me off.
LIKE CARRYING rifles into the capital during a rally, talk about poor choice making.

Sounds more like your son is no liberal. He just hasn't found his way yet. He is half way to the right way

 

[mthille]

For those that wish to engage their "get rid of guns" friends and family, read (and invite them to read) "The Path To Tyranny - A history of free society's descent into tyranny" by Michael E. Newton. He writes in an educational fashion, while not going over the head of the reader. He also avoids the "fire and brimstone" approaches used by other authors and just lays out the history of free societies from the Greeks through the Romans, Soviets, and ultimately, our great country, as well as many societies in between. Once the people of a free society figure out that they can ALL vote themselves a raise, the society begins the descent. It is clear that the second amendment was written to defend against tyranny.......

"Those that cannot remember the past, are doomed to repeat it" - George Santyana

 

[U201491]

I hear you. Believe me I have tried my very best to patiently educate libs my whole life. But in the end I'm just:

Stuff about ten Imodium down them first. It will reduce the runoff.