Left has lost gun control debate

[bugeye]

OK I will hold you to your own standards Bugeye, show me this connection of those on the right to the Nazis.

Well, for one really obvious one, the Nazi's are usually on the rights side, while on the left we haven't had any better luck getting rid of our few remaining commies.

Nazism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Nazism (Nationalsozialismus, National Socialism; alternatively spelled Naziism[1]) was the ideology and practice of the Nazi Party and of Nazi Germany.[2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9] It was a unique variety of fascism that involved biological racism and antisemitism.[10] Nazism presented itself as politically syncretic, incorporating policies, tactics and philosophies from right- and left-wing ideologies; in practice, Nazism was a far right form of politics.[11]"

I didn't invent this system, you're stuck with the facists and we are stuck with the commies.

 

[Trlsmn]

Well, for one really obvious one, the Nazi's are usually on the rights side, while on the left we haven't had any better luck getting rid of our few remaining commies.

Nazism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Nazism (Nationalsozialismus, National Socialism; alternatively spelled Naziism[1]) was the ideology and practice of the Nazi Party and of Nazi Germany.[2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9] It was a unique variety of fascism that involved biological racism and antisemitism.[10] Nazism presented itself as politically syncretic, incorporating policies, tactics and philosophies from right- and left-wing ideologies; in practice, Nazism was a far right form of politics.[11]"

I didn't invent this system, you're stuck with the facists and we are stuck with the commies.

So are you going to show some connection to the Nazi's or not?

 

[WhyteCheddar]

You will need to define 'liberal financial policy' as I see nothing liberal about our unregulated derivatives trading and find that aspect the most dangerous finanical element that hangs above our heads, making the deficit look like a tiny shooting star. We have nearly unregulated futures markets, a stock market that thrives on perpetual insider trading, and a financial system that runs on corruption to such an extent that it looks perfectly normal to us.

I would say a 'liberal financial system' would be governed by practical regulation, with lots more checkers so the culprits don't skate. Of course, we have no liberals to inact this sort of thing, as these demons only exist in the welll stoked imaginations of righties. It seems perfectly clear that we have a choice between two parties, one that loves corporations and money an iota less than they want to prevent seeing bodies laying in the streets, and the one most of you support that worries not about the bodies.

The Peoples United decision is a milestone, only if advertising stops working will we have a shot at not becomming an Aristocracy of $. And this brings us to your opinions, they are a dime a dozen. really, that is how much they cost.

In an effort to avoid using many words and saying nearly nothing, the policy of which I speak is 'tax and spend'. Or it could be 'over tax and over spend'. Take your pick.
There, cookies are on the bottom shelf for you. Milk is in the fridge.

 

[Jamie6.5]

Originally Posted by bugeye
Well, for one really obvious one, the Nazi's are usually on the rights side, while on the left we haven't had any better luck getting rid of our few remaining commies.

Nazism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Nazism (Nationalsozialismus, National Socialism; alternatively spelled Naziism[1]) was the ideology and practice of the Nazi Party and of Nazi Germany.[2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9] It was a unique variety of fascism that involved biological racism and antisemitism.[10] Nazism presented itself as politically syncretic, incorporating policies, tactics and philosophies from right- and left-wing ideologies; in practice, Nazism was a far right form of politics.[11]"

I didn't invent this system, you're stuck with the facists and we are stuck with the commies.

So are you going to show some connection to the Nazi's or not?

Trlsmn, buggy likes this one because it ignores the economic, social totalitarianism and political aspects of National Socialism and relies on the racist aspect of nazism.
I am certain, after reading buggy's posts here, that he believes, as do many on the far left, that all conservatives are racists, and therefore more closely resemble nazis.

They are losing the argument on a regular basis these days, so they fall back on their last desperate hope,...
The race card.
Totally ignoring the fact of course, that the worst offenders in our country's history, with regard to racism, have been good-ol-boy democrats.

 

[CEF1959]

I agree with Trlsmn.

 

[tom sawyer]

The only reason the left was EVER anti gun or gun control was for the voter base of people who supported "control". I'm neither conservative or liberal, but rather libertarian, which i thing more of America is now than ever wherther they admit it or not. Libertarians support gun ownership. We all want to see responsible gun owners. But and we need law and order. The debate is fading and worn out. More concealed carriers mean lower crime rate, stats don't lie!! The gun control lobby can no longer pull the wool over the stats.

 

[bugeye]

So are you going to show some connection to the Nazi's or not?

I see you don't think they are on your side? You think they vote for Obama, Pelosi, Reid, liberals or democrats. This seems pretty obvious, or as I said, "they are on your side". Lets see, who would racists, strong nationalists, people who love military actions, and white power people vote for?

I did a quick google seeking poll results but goshdarnit they don't seem to quantify these mindsets. Perhaps you think you can show Neo's supporting the left? Good luck with that one!

 

[bugeye]

I agree with Trlsmn.

Heck, he must be in shock!

 

[bugeye]

Trlsmn, buggy likes this one because it ignores the economic, social totalitarianism and political aspects of National Socialism .......

There you go again.
It's like you have to keep reinventing your ignorance to take all arguments back to ones you've lost a dozen times before.
Man, is this all you got, sheesh.

 

[Blitzkrieg]

So are you going to show some connection to the Nazi's or not?

He can't, nor is Wikipedia a reliable source since it's usually open edited by just about anyone, often with with an agenda

These are interesting, however:

Veteran psychiatrist calls liberals mentally ill

http://www.libertymind.com/

Excerpt:

Like all other human beings, the modern liberal reveals his true
character, including his madness, in what he values and devalues, in
what he articulates with passion. Of special interest, however, are
the many values about which the modern liberal mind is not passionate:

His agenda does not insist that the individual is the ultimate
economic, social and political unit;

It does not idealize individual liberty and the structure of law and
order essential to it;

It does not defend the basic rights of property and contract;

It does not aspire to ideals of authentic autonomy and mutuality;

It does not preach an ethic of self-reliance and self-determination;

It does not praise courage, forbearance or resilience;

it does not celebrate the ethics of consent or the blessings of
voluntary cooperation.

It does not advocate moral rectitude or understand the critical role
of morality in human relating.

The liberal agenda does not comprehend an identity of competence,
appreciate its importance, or analyze the developmental conditions
and social institutions that promote its achievement.

The liberal agenda does not understand or recognize personal
sovereignty or impose strict limits on coercion by the state.

It does not celebrate the genuine altruism of private charity.

It does not learn history's lessons on the evils of collectivism.

What the liberal mind is passionate about is a world filled with
pity, sorrow, neediness, misfortune, poverty, suspicion, mistrust,
anger, exploitation, discrimination, victimization, alienation and
injustice.

Those who occupy this world are "workers," "minorities," "the little
guy," "women," and the "unemployed."

They are poor, weak, sick, wronged, cheated, oppressed,
disenfranchised, exploited and victimized. They bear no
responsibility for their problems.

None of their agonies are attributable to faults or failings of their
own: not to poor choices, bad habits, faulty judgment, wishful thinking,
lack of ambition, low frustration tolerance, mental illness or
defects in character.

None of the victims' plight is caused by failure to plan for the
future or learn from experience.

Instead, the "root causes" of all this pain lie in faulty social
conditions: poverty, disease, war, ignorance, unemployment, racial prejudice, ethnic and gender discrimination, modern technology, capitalism,
globalization and imperialism.

In the radical liberal mind, this suffering is inflicted on the
innocent by various predators and persecutors: "Big Business," "Big Corporations," "greedy capitalists," U.S. Imperialists," "the oppressors," "the rich," "the wealthy," "the powerful" and "the selfish."

The liberal cure for this endless malaise is a very large
authoritarian government that regulates and manages society through a
cradle to grave agenda of redistributive caretaking.

It is a government everywhere doing everything for everyone.

The liberal motto is "In Government We Trust."

To rescue the people from their troubled lives, the agenda recommends
denial of personal responsibility, encourages self-pity and other-
pity, fosters government dependency, promotes sexual indulgence,
rationalizes violence, excuses financial obligation, justifies theft,
ignores rudeness, prescribes complaining and blaming, denigrates
marriage and the family, legalizes all abortion, defies religious and
social tradition, declares inequality unjust, and rebels against the
duties of citizenship.

Through multiple entitlements to unearned goods, services and social
status, the liberal politician promises to ensure everyone's material
welfare, provide for everyone's healthcare, protect everyone's self-
esteem, correct everyone's social and political disadvantage, educate
every citizen, and eliminate all class distinctions.

With liberal intellectuals sharing the glory, the liberal politician
is the hero in this melodrama. He takes credit for providing his
constituents with whatever they want or need even though he has not
produced by his own effort any of the goods, services or status
transferred to them but has instead taken them from others by force.

It should be apparent by now that these social policies and the
passions that drive them contradict all that is rational in human
relating, and they are therefore irrational in themselves. But the
faulty conceptions that lie behind these passions cannot be viewed as
mere cognitive slippage. The degree of modern liberalism's
irrationality far exceeds any misunderstanding that can be attributed
to faulty fact gathering or logical error. Indeed, under careful
scrutiny, liberalism's distortions of the normal ability to reason
can only be understood as the product of psychopathology. So
extravagant are the patterns of thinking, emoting, behaving and
relating that characterize the liberal mind that its relentless
protests and demands become understandable only as disorders of the
psyche. The modern liberal mind, its distorted perceptions and its
destructive agenda are the product of disturbed personalities.

As is the case in all personality disturbance, defects of this type
represent serious failures in development processes. The nature of
these failures is detailed below. Among their consequences are the
liberal mind's relentless efforts to misrepresent human nature and to
deny certain indispensable requirements for human relating. In his
efforts to construct a grand collectivist utopia—to live what Jacques
Barzun has called "the unconditioned life" in which "everybody should
be safe and at ease in a hundred ways"—the radical liberal attempts
to actualize in the real world an idealized fiction that will
mitigate all hardship and heal all wounds. (Barzun 2000). He acts out
this fiction, essentially a Marxist morality play, in various
theaters of human relatedness, most often on the world's economic,
social and political stages. But the play repeatedly folds. Over the
course of the Twentieth Century, the radical liberal's attempts to
create a brave new socialist world have invariably failed. At the
dawn of the Twenty-first Century his attempts continue to fail in the
stagnant economies, moral decay and social turmoil now widespread in
Europe. An increasingly bankrupt welfare society is putting the U.S.
on track for the same fate if liberalism is not cured there. Because
the liberal agenda's principles violate the rules of ordered liberty,
his most determined efforts to realize its visionary fantasies must
inevitably fall short. Yet, despite all the evidence against it, the
modern liberal mind believes his agenda is good social science. It
is, in fact, bad science fiction. He persists in this agenda despite
its madness.

Lyle H. Rossiter, Jr, MD is the author of The Liberal Mind: The
Psychological Causes of Political Madness. He received his medical
and psychiatric training at the University of Chicago and served for
two years as a psychiatrist in the United States Army. He is
currently in private practice in the Chicago area.

Could it be genetic?

http://www.truebluelacys.com/images/photos/coyote vs blue lacy.jpg

 

[Jamie6.5]

There you go again.
It's like you have to keep reinventing your ignorance to take all arguments back to ones you've lost a dozen times before.

Buggy, just because you spout the leftist's mantra, like an obama doll with it's string pulled, doesn't mean you win the debate.

The left has indeed lost the gun control debate. Evidenced by their heaviest hitters (Schumer, Obama et al) showing up recently to spout their mantra and instill fear in the populace.
At this point they are in salvage mode.

I'll give them one thing. At least they know their position and understand it,... Something that seems to be beyond your level of comprehension.
As evidenced above by you reverting to the racism remarks. The very same ones that are so prevalent from the left when they know their info isn't factually based.

Fear and prejudice, the favored tools of the communists and socialists.

 

[bugeye]

Buggy, just because you spout the leftist's mantra, like an obama doll with it's string pulled, doesn't mean you win the debate.

The left has indeed lost the gun control debate. Evidenced by their heaviest hitters (Schumer, Obama et al) showing up recently to spout their mantra and instill fear in the populace.
At this point they are in salvage mode.

I'll give them one thing. At least they know their position and understand it,... Something that seems to be beyond your level of comprehension.
As evidenced above by you reverting to the racism remarks. The very same ones that are so prevalent from the left when they know their info isn't factually based.

Fear and prejudice, the favored tools of the communists and socialists.

Until next week when you try once again to claim Nazi's were socialists and not facists, for the 13th time, sheesh.
I suppose you think 'freedom works" and "Americans for Prosperity" actually are for personal freedom and prosperity, vs. these things for corporations?
Though I do congratulate you for giving me new insight into that old Zen Koan "What is the sound of one hand clapping?".


About the NPR sting you mentioned, it is also just more bs rightie propaganda, just the sort of thing you worship and can't seem to get enough of while accusing me of being the dupe. I've long said the American Right is comprised of people born without the necessary genetic material for the detection of hypocrisy!
<broken link removed>

 

[bugeye]

He can't, nor is Wikipedia a reliable source since it's usually open edited by just about anyone, often with with an agenda

These are interesting, however:

Veteran psychiatrist calls liberals mentally ill

The Liberal Mind: The Psychological Causes of Political Madness, by Lyle Rossiter, Jr., MD

QUOTE]

Just the sort of generalized, self serving, hog wash you people seem to need to apply to your hides, on a daily basis, to keep a full head of steam behind your baseless opinions.

This is just pathetic and says far more about you than any intended target.

 

[bugeye]

In an effort to avoid using many words and saying nearly nothing, the policy of which I speak is 'tax and spend'. Or it could be 'over tax and over spend'. Take your pick.
There, cookies are on the bottom shelf for you. Milk is in the fridge.

What countries would you consider to not fit the tax and spend model?
As near as I can tell the entire developed world is tax and spend.

 

[Blitzkrieg]

He can't, nor is Wikipedia a reliable source since it's usually open edited by just about anyone, often with with an agenda

These are interesting, however:

Veteran psychiatrist calls liberals mentally ill

The Liberal Mind: The Psychological Causes of Political Madness, by Lyle Rossiter, Jr., MD

QUOTE]

Just the sort of generalized, self serving, hog wash you people seem to need to apply to your hides, on a daily basis, to keep a full head of steam behind your baseless opinions.

This is just pathetic and says far more about you than any intended target.

Truth hurts, doesn't it? That shrink really nailed the insanity of the left

 

[WhyteCheddar]

What countries would you consider to not fit the tax and spend model?
As near as I can tell the entire developed world is tax and spend.

Nonsensical response.
'Fail' as per usual.

 

[bugeye]

Nonsensical response.
'Fail' as per usual.

Yeah sure, say how do you get drool out of your shirts?

 

[rufus]

Yeah sure, say how do you get drool out of your shirts?

The Left has lost gun control debate.

Case closed.

 

[bugeye]

Truth hurts, doesn't it? That shrink really nailed the insanity of the left

I see, truth is bs that supports your view!

I could post actual psy studies on the insanity of the 'conservative mindset' (you know the kind based on tests and not just on hot air) but even they are bs.

I'm on the left and I haven't lost the gun control debate, I see no reason for additional gun control. Gun owners in the US have been pretty responsible.

I see the largest assault on my liberties to be the free flow of corporate money to influence the political process. The left has fought these attacks on the constitution more than the right. Lobbys, and now the SCOTUS giving the corps nearly unlimited power. Now the rightie media will never talk about this stuff, and the left media only a little, you need to look behind the drapes and behold the great and powerful OZ!

 

[RB87]

Yes, indeed. The left has fought those "attacks" as they accept oodles of money from those evil corporations and from union groups. How much money again did the Unions in Oregon put into the measure 66/67 tax increase campaign last year?

Oregon Tax Hike Vote, Ballot Measures 66 and 67 (January 2010) - Ballotpedia

OEA, SEIU, AFT etc.. 1.65 million donated by the OEA.