Left has lost gun control debate

[Dave Workman]

A Washington newspaper yesterday morning published an editorial that created quite a stir by announcing that “The left has permanently lost the argument on gun control,” which ought to be required reading for Seattle Mayor Mike McGinn, the staff at Washington CeaseFire, and the Seattle Times editorial board.

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[irequiem]

I would agree if the administration had not just put an executive order in place today to stop the re-importation of 833,000 m1 garands and carbines from being re-imported back into the united states from South Korea. The 2nd amendment is not being chipped at anymore by law and debate but with the stroke of a pen.

 

[Blitzkrieg]

We're still winning.. the public opinion win. Eventually the antis will all be thinned out of the herd. That's my story and I'm sticking to it

 

[Jamie6.5]

Doesn't mean they won't keep trying.

They're all for "democracy" until the majority goes against them. Then the majority is a bunch of ignorant, paranoid, uncivilized sub-humans in need of modern education.

 

[bugeye]

Doesn't mean they won't keep trying.

They're all for "democracy" until the majority goes against them. Then the majority is a bunch of ignorant, paranoid, uncivilized sub-humans in need of modern education.

If the shoe fits.......

That majority is subject to shifting, and in truth the political party in power bends to the majority only when they are in agreement. As I've said here a dozen times, when enough of the poor start walking up the hill, gun in hand, to extract some 'heartfelt revenge' from the rich, we will have gun control in an instant, and the first in line to shove it down your throats will be the party of your so called friends.

 

[Jamie6.5]

If the shoe fits.......

It only fits in your elitist, class warfare based pseudo-reality. Closely akin to the mainstream press giving a forum to lefty-pundits that label TEA partiers "racists."

That majority is subject to shifting, and in truth the political party inthe mainstream press "kingmakers" that continue to retain their power bends to the majority only when they are in agreement with a new "chosen one".

Fixed that for ya!

As I've said here a dozen times, when enough of the poor start walking up the hill, gun in hand, to extract some 'heartfelt revenge' from the rich, we will have gun control in an instant, and the first in line to shove it down your throats will be the party of your so called friends.

Hahaha!! My so called friends?
The political contributions of 2008 put that in "the big lie" category buggy.
If you are REALLY interested in demonizing the rich, try a factual search for them.
Reality dictates that those are really YOUR friends. The ones that contributed to, and voted for the same socialist president you did.

And the next time a welfare recipient issues you a paycheck, you be sure and let us all know.

 

[CEF1959]

If the shoe fits.......

That majority is subject to shifting, and in truth the political party in power bends to the majority only when they are in agreement. As I've said here a dozen times, when enough of the poor start walking up the hill, gun in hand, to extract some 'heartfelt revenge' from the rich, we will have gun control in an instant, and the first in line to shove it down your throats will be the party of your so called friends.

+1

 

[Dave Workman]

And the next time a welfare recipient issues you a paycheck, you be sure and let us all know.

ROTFLMAO
:yes:

 

[svxr8dr]

If the shoe fits.......

That majority is subject to shifting, and in truth the political party in power bends to the majority only when they are in agreement. As I've said here a dozen times, when enough of the poor start walking up the hill, gun in hand, to extract some 'heartfelt revenge' from the rich, we will have gun control in an instant, and the first in line to shove it down your throats will be the party of your so called friends.

I'm going to go with a "no" on that.

 

[MA Duce]

I would agree if the administration had not just put an executive order in place today to stop the re-importation of 833,000 m1 garands and carbines from being re-imported back into the united states from South Korea. The 2nd amendment is not being chipped at anymore by law and debate but with the stroke of a pen.

Of course they were banned...they are assault weapons. Those types were used in the assault of Anzio, Salerno, Normandy, Sicily,North Africa, Kwajaelin, Tarawa, Iwo Jima, Okinawa, Inchon.............etc etc etc.:nuts::nuts::angry:

 

[bugeye]

It only fits in your elitist, class warfare based pseudo-reality. Closely akin to the mainstream press giving a forum to lefty-pundits that label TEA partiers "racists."




Fixed that for ya!



Hahaha!! My so called friends?
The political contributions of 2008 put that in "the big lie" category buggy.
If you are REALLY interested in demonizing the rich, try a factual search for them.
Reality dictates that those are really YOUR friends. The ones that contributed to, and voted for the same socialist president you did.

And the next time a welfare recipient issues you a paycheck, you be sure and let us all know.

Nice bunch of phrases jamie, I see you've been attending your regular indoctrinations!
Yeap, so many free thinkers on the right, all thinking exactly the same thing and saying it the same way, obviously just a coincidence!

Anyone who thinks Obama is a socialist needs to lay off the cool aid for at least a year. Honest. you're just too easy to fool.

 

[Blitzkrieg]

Nice bunch of phrases jamie, I see you've been attending your regular indoctrinations!
Yeap, so many free thinkers on the right, all thinking exactly the same thing and saying it the same way, obviously just a coincidence!

Anyone who thinks Obama is a socialist needs to lay off the cool aid for at least a year. Honest. you're just too easy to fool.

Disinformation troll if I ever saw one. The left is de facto communist by any sane man's measurement, and that makes them my dire enemies and the enemy of the Constitution and BORs. How anyone can say with a straight face that they are pro liberty and also lefist truly boggles

 

[bugeye]

Disinformation troll if I ever saw one. The left is de facto communist by any sane man's measurement, and that makes them my dire enemies and the enemy of the Constitution and BORs. How anyone can say with a straight face that they are pro liberty and also lefist truly boggles

By the token of your de facto reasoning, the right is nazi, and your same conclusions follow!
However, I like good arguments based in reality too much to even bother.

 

[elsullo]

What boggles MY mind is the ignorance it requires for anyone to think that ALL of the "Left" is Communist or anti-Bill of Rights! I'll say it with a big snarl on my straight face, I AM PRO-LIBERTY AND ALSO LEFTIST! And to heck with anyone dumb enough to try to assume that they know what I believe or fight for, or what the broad "Left" fights for. You simply do not know what you are talking about.

HELLO? THERE IS NO MONOLITHIC "LEFT"! THEY DO NOT ALL BELIEVE THE SAME THINGS, AND CERTAINLY NOT WHAT YOU THINK THEY DO! Gawd, you probably think that there are still Stalinists and Maoists under your bed. You must believe that the Democratic Socialists that govern Canada and most of the successful and rich Democracies of Western Europe are covertly Trotskyite Commies! Your ignorance is confounding. You are so unbelievably wrong to think that most "Leftists" are enemies of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights---it is quite the contrary. The "Left" fights FOR the Bill of Rights! It is only the super-rich on the Democratic Party Right Wing, like Shumer and Pelosi and Feinstein and Bloomberg who are fearful of an armed working class and so oppose the Second Amendment---NOT the mass of the "Leftist" Democratic working class.

It's the ultra-rich Capitalist elites of Wall Street and the Ivy League (like Obama of Harvard Law School) who are chipping away at our Bill of Rights, not the "Leftists". Just last year the Supreme Court conservatives declared that corporations have the First Amendment rights of a PERSON to make unlimited and undeclared political campaign contributions. Bye-bye to democracy when they have the billions to pay for false and misleading political campaigns. Soon, they will find a way to water-down the Second Amendment too, and this will come from the Filthy Rich investors of the "RIGHT", not from the working class of the "Left"..............................elsullo

Disinformation troll if I ever saw one. The left is de facto communist by any sane man's measurement, and that makes them my dire enemies and the enemy of the Constitution and BORs. How anyone can say with a straight face that they are pro liberty and also lefist truly boggles

 

[Blitzkrieg]

By the token of your de facto reasoning, the right is nazi, and your same conclusions follow!
However, I like good arguments based in reality too much to even bother.

National Socialism is SOCIALISM and is not anywhere near the right. Communism is a far left system and liberals are what Lenin called "The useful idiots of the West".. the first ones shot after full communism takes over

I full well know what the left is.. most of them are Lenin's useful idiots for the destruction of liberty, even of they are dupes and don't understand this

Capitalism is not liberty and it is not Free Enterprise, I am not defending capitalism

 

[elsullo]

Again, more ignorance. I guess you slept through your civics classes. "National Socialism" is the NAZI'S term for Fascism, as far-RIGHT wing as it gets, actually a corporate/military partnership to own the state, dispensing with national elections to form a military dictatorship, brainwashing the citizenry to accept it. It has nothing to do with the principles of Socialism other than state planning of the economy---they just co-opted the name "Socialism" becuse it was popular in Germany's elections in the late 1920's and helped them confuse the voters and take over and END elections.

Yah, Communism is FAR Left, but you will find them to be very scarce in this century. What the heck are you reading to even think about Lenin? The only Leninists I know of are in their nineties now and their politics are senile too. Lenin was important a century ago in the age of the end of FEUDALISM in Russia and Prussia, but even Karl Marx expected a very different development of Socialism in the advanced "Western" democracies. Marx allowed that if elections were fair that educated voters would be able to restrain monarchists and greedy oligarchs' corporations and revolution to a representative democracy would be peaceful. You will have to look far and wide to find a Leninist today or any "Liberal" that follows Lenin.

No, you do NOT know what the "Left" is. You don't even know what a Nazi is. A suggestion: you are looking through your political binoculars BACKWARD.........................elsullo

National Socialism is SOCIALISM and is not anywhere near the right. Communism is a far left system and liberals are what Lenin called "The useful idiots of the West".. the first ones shot after full communism takes over

I full well know what the left is.. most of them are Lenin's useful idiots for the destruction of liberty, even of they are dupes and don't understand this

Capitalism is not liberty and it is not Free Enterprise, I am not defending capitalism

 

[Silver Fox]

I would agree if the administration had not just put an executive order in place today....

Hey bud, would you mind directing me to the executive order number or the story that covers this?

Thanks,

SF-

 

[irequiem]

Hey bud, would you mind directing me to the executive order number or the story that covers this?

Thanks,

SF-

Here is link to the news story Obama Administration Reverses Course, Forbids Sale of 850,000 Antique Rifles - FoxNews.com But type in Obama bans gun importation into google and there is many more including one from the Ny times and its burning up the collector and other gun boards. i do not have the executive order # I'll keep looking. I've always wanted one of these, my father carried one during the war and whenever he saw one he would point them out both the garand and the carbine. made in the USA carried by American heroes defending the worlds freeedom. Pieces of our history that I will probably never be able to afford.):{

 

[Unka-Boo]

Capitalism is an economic system in which the means of production and distribution are privately or corporately owned and development is proportionate to the accumulation and reinvestment of profits gained in a free market.



Communism is an economic system characterized by the collective ownership of property and by the organization of labor for the common advantage of all members. Under communism by its very nature, because of authoritarian government control, socialism automatically becomes a byproduct of this system.



Socialism is any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods can be privately or collectively owned or dictated by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy. Although socialism does not always co-exist with only communist or fascist governments, the implementation of socialism in many countries requires that a strong central government generally impose this philosophy on the people.



Fascism differs from communism in that ownership of the means of production is left in the hands of private industry but all industry and business activity is heavily regulated by a strong national government. Therefore, socialistic objectives are achieved by the police power of the state. Fascist Germany and Italy both operated in this manner. Fascism can also be defined as a government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, and suppression of any opposition through terror and censorship. Fascist governments are generally characterized by belligerent nationalism.



Dictatorship is a form of government in which the ruler is an absolute dictator (not restricted by a constitution or laws or opposition from the people). Saddam Hussein is a prime example of a dictatorship wherein he controlled every aspect of Iraqi life without the people having any say in the running of the country. Any criticism, no matter how insignificant, was dealt with by torture and/or death.



Democracy is the government by the people, exercised either directly or through elected representatives.



Republic is slightly different from a democracy and is a government in which supreme power resides in a body of citizens entitled to vote and is exercised by elected officers and representatives responsible to them and governed according to law.



Anarchy is the absence of government; the state of society where there is no law or supreme power; a state of lawlessness; political confusion.

Since some of you can't seem to differentiate between political and economic systems.....

 

[Trlsmn]

If the shoe fits.......

That majority is subject to shifting, and in truth the political party in power bends to the majority only when they are in agreement. As I've said here a dozen times, when enough of the poor start walking up the hill, gun in hand, to extract some 'heartfelt revenge' from the rich, we will have gun control in an instant, and the first in line to shove it down your throats will be the party of your so called friends.

+1

-1

You've been nullified!