Kel-Tec donates Sub-2000s to Ukraine

[spookshack]

"The fight is here, I need Yeet Cannons, not Kel-Tecs". Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky-

 

[American123]

For me it's not brand elitism. They'd be better off with Hi point carbines IMO. I've had a PMR 30 have parts fall off while shooting.

Not all keltecs are created equal. Pistols are a no for me, rifles have been fine.

 

[The Heretic]

How many Sub-2000s is $200K worth?

5000?

10,000?

Apparently there were 400 guns, so value was $500?

 

[Certaindeaf]

How many Sub-2000s is $200K worth?

5000?

10,000?

Negative dollars are not really dollars.







Lol

 

[SonicBlue03]

I guess they want Ukraine to lose.

 

[ma96782]

Hummmmm........
Why Not?
Make um full auto and perhaps some/more people will change their mind(s)?

Aloha, Mark

 

[3MTA3]

Sigh... Not all Kel-Tecs are crap, and the S2K is not the worst choice out there.

Good on Kel-Tec for the donation and marketing win.

 

[Alexx1401]

Apparently there were 400 guns, so value was $500?

Sounds about right. Have not looked at what the MSRP is lately but the guns sell for about 5 bills. Still tend to be hard to find in shops. So many get grabbed up and sold on the auction that smaller shops often have a hard time getting them.

 

[The Heretic]

Sounds about right. Have not looked at what the MSRP is lately but the guns sell for about 5 bills. Still tend to be hard to find in shops. So many get grabbed up and sold on the auction that smaller shops often have a hard time getting them.

One google search said MSRP of $409, but I don't know if that is current.

 

[partsed]

When I bought mine a couple of years ago from @LuckySG it was $425.00

 

[clanhanson]

"Ukrainian soldiers issued paper weights, are very relieved"

 

[3MTA3]

When I bought mine a couple of years ago from @LuckySG it was $425.00

From what I've read on this thread it's supposed to fall apart twice a day. I'm wondering if I should return my KSG (also an @LuckySG alumnus) for repair since it has performed flawlessly and fails to misfire and/or fall apart.

 

[partsed]

I should note that I did drop another $400.00 in doing all the trick upgrades that the cheap bastards at Kel-Tec won't do.

 

[CLT65]

My S2K has worked fine, nary a problem since I broke it in a bit. As I recall I had to chamfer the chamber a little and adjust the canted front sight (not particularly easy).

I did find that not everyone appreciates them ergonomically. You need to crane your neck to an uncomfortable degree to get a sight picture. I let a friend shoot it once. He saw me rattle off a dozen rounds, clanging the 100yd steel target every shot. I handed it to him and he awkwardly tried to get a sight picture. After craning his neck a few times he put it down in disgust and proclaimed it unusable. Oh well, to each their own. It works fine for me.

I have much better rifles that I would far prefer in a situation like the Ukrainians are in, but if it was all that was available, you could do a lot worse.

 

[Bam]

Any gun is better than no gun.

I bet Ukrainians would be happy to have Hi-Points right about now.

 

[RVTECH]

My gen 1 S2K shot very accurately and reliably - no complaints with this part.

I sold it however for a few reasons I was unaware of when I bought it. One was after my experience of disassembling it for a complete cleaning - it was a nightmare to get back together and I actually got so frustrated I took a couple day break from it and that was a first for any gun I have owned. Then there was the thin, plastic exterior parts such as the front sight. I could see some of the plastic screws getting stripped over time and I was already looking at designing a dovetailed front sight ramp to accomodate a typical steel, bead style sight. Last I actually learned about after selling it and that was the epoxied in barrel. So many reported them coming loose KT described a 'fix' for it requiring drilling and pinning the barrel.

IF it had been a Gen 2 I would probably still have it as they made several improvements on it.

 

[Alexx1401]

One google search said MSRP of $409, but I don't know if that is current.

I paid just over $300 for the one I still have which is Hard Chrome, paid little under $300 for the .40 one I had. Kind of doubt I will see those prices again
I did not know they were offering one suppressed now. That one looks like FUN

 

[Alexx1401]

I should note that I did drop another $400.00 in doing all the trick upgrades that the cheap bastards at Kel-Tec won't do.

The gun they made that was the original idea sold for twice as much but was made with the kind of alloys AR's normally come with. They found few wanted one so they dropped it in favor of the Gen 1 and they were never able to make them as fast as the public wanted to buy them. For those who wanted better it did not take long for the after market to jump in and make some NICE upgrades. Some of those made their way into the Gen II. For a while they were offering to free upgrade the Gen 1 to a Gen II. I did not hear about it till much later. If I finally wear out the old one I will buy a Gen II for sure.

 

[Allshouse]

And with that news, things just got a little more bleak for Ukraine.

I for one thank Kel Tec for helping the Ukraine !! Maybe if the Nay sayers on this thread feel that they can do better ?? Why are you not sending your ARs & AKs to help the Ukraine ?? Talk is Cheap !!

 

[Xaevian]

Probably an unpopular opinion, but this is just another virtue signal for just another empty cause the masses can get behind. Americans are the world champions at playing "follow the leader." The amount of Ukraine pins and colors worn by "important people", the endless rhetoric, chest beating, and out-Ukraine-ing each other is disgusting. I guess the people really needed this distraction.

While our leadership is playing Risk with your money and emotions, the sad, sad truth is that no matter the eventual outcome, Putin wins. He has already beaten us. We took our struggling economy and crapped in it some more. Imposed sanctions, after the fact, that will hurt us badly for a decade or more. This is just another "2 weeks to flatten the curve" on steroids and the mindless zombies just swallow the whole balls-deep load.

Don't get me wrong, I am rooting for a huge Russian embarrassment. On the other hand, global politics are complicated, and our current elitist, incompetent despots are completely incapable about anything besides deceiving equally incompetent citizens. We are already paying a steep price, and the inflation on stupidity is rising faster than the inflation of the economy. But for what? A backwater eastern European country that serves as a global elite money launderer and playground. We didn't make them get their sh!t together...because we didn't want to. But Ukraine is suddenly now so important. We should've thought of that before playing chicken with Putin.

Where was this outrage during the Bosnian war? The atrocities there make this one look like a picnic at this point. It was a real genocide, 100k killed, around 2 million displaced. The American apathy, politically and domestically, was why I decided to leave the military.

Sorry, this is already way longer than I wanted, and still doesn't hit on all I feel about this situation. Thanks for listening. Stay informed, question everything.