Once the Muslims get their land back and the jews are in their own nation in America the fighting in the middle east stops. We save billions and Israel gets peace here. Throwing out a few new Yorkers is a small price to pay.
I doubt it. The war between the Muslims and the Jews (and the Muslims and the Christians, and the Muslims and whoever else) has been raging for over a millennia. The tenets of their religion and culture do not lend themselves to peace with neighbors. The only times those nations have had significant periods of peace is when they were under heavy influence from other cultures. It really is a culture war, in every sense of the term. It just so happens to flair up into bloody shooting wars when there is enough impetus to do so.
Atheist regimes are a relative newcomer to human history. I am also not making comparisons on who is worse. I am merely pointing out historical trends and the basic tenets a specific culture professes. Furthermore they do not have to be good at war to export strife to their neighbors. All they have to be is willing, as the current conflict with Israel demonstrates.
Right, I realized i had hoisted a flag of nonsense as I had misinterpreted your comment. Hence the "oops."
You realize the circumstances of the foundation of the modern state of Israel, don't you? They had just been rounded up from among nearly every nation in Europe and murdered by the millions, in an actual genocide. They had no nation of their own, and no way to defend themselves. I certainly can't blame them for wanting their own land, and their own army to defend it, so that kind of thing could never happen again.
Not arguing at all about hamas because it's obvious that Israel is protecting itself. What I am saying is when you move into the Muslims world that you will have to fight every day to live. Give them New York state and it all goes away, no more war and they can finally live in peace.
I can't find it now, but a video I watched of Ben Shapiro seems to put the time line into focus of how the Jewish people came to have the land they live in. If you believe Ben Shapiro. The Palestinians didn't even exist at the time the Jews were finding their place. And he lined out the history of the Jews being constantly attacked buy the people surrounding them, and coming to the table, giving in to demands, signing treaties with those around them, and THEN, being attacked and bombed again! At least that's what I got from his talk.
I love America and hate to see us involved in the middle east. How many times before 1948 were we involved defending Israel? Once Israel became a nation with our support it's cost us dearly in lives and money. 911 would never have happened if we had not supported Israel.
Most of the problems you cite are a result of our own weak leadership. The Muslim culture in the middle east is not just against the Jews, they are against the West itself. You think the illegal immigrant problem in Europe is going to stop if Israel ceases existing? Do you really think they would stop trying to take advantage of our open borders just because we no longer get involved in the Middle East? Listen to their own words and believe them. I assure you that they do.
What I do know after watching decades of fighting in the middle east is we don't need to be there. Let them kill each other to define how they worship their God and let's stay out of wars. I was just reading that under the emergency powers act we sold Israel 14,000 120mm tank rounds from our own strategic supply. In a time where we have committed to fighting Russia it's a bad move to sell our ammo we might just need.
Yeah, that is not what is happening at all. Hamas lies about civilian casualties, and Western media repeats the lie without question. Did you learn nothing from the "Israel boomed a hospital and killed 500 people!" lie? Hamas actually dropped a dud rocket on a hospital parking lot, killed probably less than a dozen people and blamed Israel for the attack. They say Israel kills dozens, hundreds or thousands of "civilians" every time Israel does anything. The vast majority of the time all those killed "civilians" are, to use the internationally recognized definition of the term, illegal combatants. I.e. terrorists who fight without uniform from within the civilian population itself.
I can't thank you enough for going to all that work! But I have a feeling it fell on at least two deaf ears in this thread.
I do not expect anyone to take what I have said as gospel. Basically everything has corroborating sources and historical references that can be found if you look for it. They are not always easy to find, as there are many interest groups that work hard to suppress it, but it is all still out there.
