IT IS NOT GOUGING!

[Darknight]

Driving is not even a "right"

Actually it is a right. It is in the United States Constitution. Try Google. Most people don't associate driving as a right, probably due to it being so heavily regulated and easily taken. But the same goes for your gun rights; they can be taken and are heavily regulated.

 

[MinnesotaORnewbie]

Haha! Minnesota, i have only sold a few items here, i have sold a few thousand rounds of ammo and a couple hundred high cap mags i will sell, everything else i have kept... but the items i did sell went for almost 4 times what i paid for them so i was able to keep WAY more than i had planned. I thought the stuff would only double, so i was going to have to sell more but then it doubled again and it worked out that my gun collection has doubled in size and i am almost at the point where it has cost me nothing to do so...

Without doing some math equations here.......And considering I am not a rocket scientist, this doesn't make sense...if everything has quadrupled in price, and you have sold everything for quadruple the price, yet you have doubled your collection size? The guns you bought would probably be more expensive as well right now, or are you the holy grail of guns and post panic prices don't pertain to you. Sounds pretty good, not that you need your ego stroked anymore since you seem to do fine with that. I need to leave, not only are my shoes getting full of $#it, but I think my knees are too.

 

[davemata]

Then feel free to go buy from Cheaper than Dirt. Seems like your kind of place...

A little whiny there buddy boy.

Shoulda stocked up, or have more available cash on hand to purchase what you need.

ETA -

I'm looking to buy about 200 ounces of silver, but it's immoral and unethical for people to charge these inflated, "Obummer" prices, so I'm willing to pay $4 an ounce, because that's fair and in line with what it cost before these horrible profiteers started gouging us normal people.

 

[davemata]

I'm glad you make money off your fellow shooters. Congrats, I'm sure you feel great about it. I don't do that. I won't do that. And if it helps, I may be grumpy, but I'm only 32.

That's a bit old to be a capitalism hating socialist.

Give it a few years, you'll get better.

 

[MinnesotaORnewbie]

Well, I wouldn't say I believe in Karma, I believe in God, morals, ethics, and trying to be a good human being. Does that mean I don't look for deals? Not at all, my buys that I have sold have been at a decent enough price that I was able to use them a little, and then hold on to them as a form of liquid cash and have been able to get my money back out of them. And I feel good being able to pass the same deal on to someone else. Could I have made money? Sure, but I am happy with the slight use and do feel if I continue the act of giving someone else a chance to be able to afford something that they might not otherwise be able to buy, well, that's one more person that may decide to do the same in the end. "Karma", kind of.
I also know I have sold a few items and then later found out the same person pretty much lied to me, wasn't all that they said they were, and actually were trying to use my kindness and ended up flipping the item shortly after just for an easy few bucks. Good for them, they showed me. I won't do business with that person and I make sure I let my friends know to stay away from that person's sales. So it all depends on who you are. 1stKlass....I don't care how you do it, if it's fine to you, that's your right, If I choose not to and to try give and receive as good deals, well that's 1stClass to me.

 

[MinnesotaORnewbie]

That's a bit old to be a capitalism hating socialist.

Give it a few years, you'll get better.

I think you are implying political beliefs instead of knowing his human character. Kindness, look it up. Your probably too old to remember what it means.

 

[MinnesotaORnewbie]

A little whiny there buddy boy.

Shoulda stocked up, or have more available cash on hand to purchase what you need.

ETA -

I'm looking to buy about 200 ounces of silver, but it's immoral and unethical for people to charge these inflated, "Obummer" prices, so I'm willing to pay $4 an ounce, because that's fair and in line with what it cost before these horrible profiteers started gouging us normal people.

Nice comparison except your facts are Wrong. Silver jumped 450% during Bush admin. and only 161% since Obama has been in office, nice try

 

[davemata]

Nice comparison except your facts are Wrong. Silver jumped 450% during Bush admin. and only 161% since Obama has been in office, nice try

I understand, you don't get it. That's ok. I was trying to keep it simple.

As for kindness, I don't need to be kind to socialists and their ilk. That's what got us into this problem in the first place. (People who rage against the market are de facto communists, either by virtue of love of regulation, or simple ignorance.)

 

[Bob D]

My "hoarded" ammo has stayed at the same basic level since 2004. When I shoot some, I replace it. What the prices mean to me is that I haven't been shooting as much or replacing as much. I still have plenty on hand.
Sometimes, hobbies are more expensive than others. C'est la vie, as they say in Croatia.

 

[MinnesotaORnewbie]

I understand, you don't get it. That's ok. I was trying to keep it simple.

As for kindness, I don't need to be kind to socialists and their ilk. That's what got us into this problem in the first place. (People who rage against the market are de facto communists, either by virtue of love of regulation, or simple ignorance.)

LOL, , climb back into your bunker and come on out when Marco Rubio is President and I'm sure the World as we know it will all of a sudden be right again.

 

[davemata]

My "hoarded" ammo has stayed at the same basic level since 2004. When I shoot some, I replace it. What the prices mean to me is that I haven't been shooting as much or replacing as much. I still have plenty on hand.
Sometimes, hobbies are more expensive than others. C'est la vie, as they say in Croatia.

You're really right there, shooting is cheap, we could be a forum of skydivers or scuba divers. Those hobbies are completely insane expensive.

 

[davemata]

LOL, , climb back into your bunker and come on out when Marco Rubio is President and I'm sure the World as we know it will all of a sudden be right again.

Rubio? I have a 35 year old bottle of Rubio Balsamic vinegar, same family?

 

[Bob D]

You're really right there, shooting is cheap, we could be a forum of skydivers or scuba divers. Those hobbies are completely insane expensive.

True enough. I've tried them both.
I've still probably spent fifty times as much money on shooting as I have on those two put together.

 

[MountainBear]

That's a bit old to be a capitalism hating socialist.

Give it a few years, you'll get better.

Just to help you out Dave, I'm not a socialist. But thanks for trying. No whining, simply observing that Cheaper Than Dirt seems to be operating on the same system as you, so perhaps you should support them.

As for stocking up more, I suppose I could have. But I didn't really need to. I haven't changed my shooting habits over the last few months due to the artificially augmented shortages. I will admit that I recently started reloading, not due to shortages, but rather I have some guns that need handloaded ammo, and I am woefully understocked on reloading supplies I need. Have lots of brass, but powder, primers, and projectiles have been hard to come by. I found five pounds at the Redmond gun show this last weekend. I suppose I could have bought some on the classifieds here, but people seem to be asking $40 per pound. I was lucky I suppose, but I only paid $20 or $21 per pound.

I don't necessarily hate capitalism either, although there are some parts that are a tad annoying. You don't have to like every piece to appreciate the whole.

My issue with this latest trend in prices is that is isn't a normal cycle. A tragedy in December inflated the prices. Normal. But then extreme politicians started talking about restricting our rights. That further exasperated the shortage and inflated prices even further. Not normal. And on top of that, there are speculators both in our community and outside our community, who are further pushing the prices up.
So the tragedy happened, but it is a few months in the past, so hopefully that fervor will die down. There is enough other political items taking precedent in Washington, added to Biden's fumbling of statements, and the political fervor, at least over assault weapons and magazines has dropped some (even though we still need to be diligent in contacting our politicians and letting them know we don't want new gun laws), so that should be dying down. But right now, people are lining up at gunshops and places like Bi-Mart to buy out items as soon as they arrive. Some people are certainly buying for themselves, but how many are buying $15 bulk packs of .22LR so they can come on here and sell them for $50? I'm sorry if it doesn't meet your approval Dave, but that doesn't seem right to me. I have the money to be able to do that right now. But it isn't right.

Interesting comments you've made Dave. If I might make a suggestion. You're a little old to need to resort to personal attacks (whiny socialist, really?). Attack my ideas and we can have a reasoned debate. Make personal attacks and there's no further point in dealing with you.

Have a great day!

 

[davemata]

No whining, simply observing that Cheaper Than Dirt seems to be operating on the same system as you, so perhaps you should support them.

Whining.

I haven't changed my shooting habits over the last few months due to the artificially augmented shortages.

Specifically, artificially augmented how? Your statement would mean that you believe that some outside force is restricting the flow of goods to buyers, some force outside of the market. Care to explain? You went on to state two modifiers to the market, but those aren't outside forces, those are market forces. So you are implying something else, wholly outside of the market is causing this. That would be?

Some people are certainly buying for themselves, but how many are buying $15 bulk packs of .22LR so they can come on here and sell them for $50? I'm sorry if it doesn't meet your approval Dave, but that doesn't seem right to me. I have the money to be able to do that right now. But it isn't right.

You should be happy for them. They invested time, and had a dose of luck which allowed them to in turn increase their profit over what they normally could. That's business. Simple as that, a lot of major and minor companies exist today because someone was able to buy something that was rare or uncommon, and then turn around and sell it in a market where that item was coveted. You can claim it isn't right, but it is right. Calls about morality in pricing really don't hold water when you look at this as a market. I mean hey, I feel bad for someone who doesn't have ammo right now, I really do. I'll happily sell them some if I can spare it. However, they'll be paying my acquisition cost, my storage cost, and compensate my risk. I sell it to them, at what price will I have to pay in order to replace it? That all factors in.

Simple, if you don't like it, move on. Whining about pricing is pretty lame. I very rarely shop at Tiffany. Why? It's EXPENSIVE. I don't own an MG, why? It's EXPENSIVE. I don't scuba dive every week, why? It's EXPENSIVE. I'm not going to sit here and moan about how it isn't fair and that someone somewhere is taking advantage of me. That's an entitlement mentality, and it's disgraceful. I find it sad when otherwise reasonable people fall for it, and they need a dose of tough love to snap them out of it.

If I might make a suggestion

No.

 

[davemata]

True enough. I've tried them both.
I've still probably spent fifty times as much money on shooting as I have on those two put together.

I haven't yet, but I can feed myself better with a rifle than I can with a spear, so there's some economic credit due there.

 

[ruger45blackhawk]

WOOWWW! you guys 11 pages later are still beating this dead horse... half of you think you deserve something cheap because you are a gun owner when gun owning wasnt cool like now, the other half think they should be rewarded for thinking ahead and stocking up.... I personally have bought 4 tractors, 1 car, 1 rifle, 2k rounds of ammo, 160 High cap mags and guess what.... I had the same problem with the tractors, GRUMPY old men thought i should sell them to them for 800 dollars (for 1 tractor, what i paid) and Collectors in australia 2 hours after they saw my ad asking 3200 each for 2 of them, snapped them right up.... The grumpy old man is still grumpy and tractorless because he didnt want to pay the VALUE of the tractor.
Same with you grumpy, self deserving people on here that think that someone should lock up their money in their account for god knows how long, backordering PMAGS, and then think that somehow they DESERVE to be sold that pmag for what the person that took all the risk and headache paid for it.... Its not my fault that with a little cleaning and a little money my 4 tractors are now worth 3.8 times what i paid for them, or that my rifle in 45 days doubled in value, or the ammo doubled in value, or that my mags have quadrupled in value.... (except the PMAGS i'm still waiting for)

I have 3 pmags 20rd I will sell you for $30.00ea!!! LOL

 

[claybreakerjaker]

I made a thread about gouging because it IS happening. i'm only referring to the fact that most of the firearms i see here that are WAY overpriced are still available in retail stores. So, private sellers are preying on the fact that people dont want paperwork run for their firearm purchase. you are charging extra for avoiding paperwork. that seems like gouging to me. if it's a rare annd/or hard to find piece.....i get it.....it's rare and/or hard to find.......but when i have to pay retail because it's the best price available something is wrong. it's not a question of free markets and supporting/not supporting capitalism............i'm really talking about people who are obviously licking their chops while posting a used gen 3 g23 for 750 when you can walk into wholesale sports and buy a new unfired one for $599- $650. that's my interpretation of gouging.

I'm new to this forum/community so if I ruffle some of you folks, I am NOT sorry...

Here is the deal... Let me explain something EXTREMELY basic. If someone is willing to pay $X for an object, then that object is clearly worth $X. If the object isn't a requirement to live or get by and you are willing to pay $X, you ARE NOT being gouged.

If a company wanted to sell a gun or ammo or mag for $X and nobody was lining up to buy them at $X, then any economist or business person would tell you that clearly $X is to high and it is time to reduce the price. I don't know about you, but it sure seems like people are lining up right now by the dozen to buy virtually anything gun related....

THIS IS NOT GOUGING.

Most of you claim you want a free world here in the US and want liberty. Part of that would seem to be capitalism, but perhaps the "gouger" whiners don't really believe in free markets.

So for the love of common sense, please stop referring to gun, ammo, and accessory prices as gouging. If it is gasoline, we can chat.

That is all.

 

[MountainBear]

Whining.


Specifically, artificially augmented how? Your statement would mean that you believe that some outside force is restricting the flow of goods to buyers, some force outside of the market. Care to explain? You went on to state two modifiers to the market, but those aren't outside forces, those are market forces. So you are implying something else, wholly outside of the market is causing this. That would be?


You should be happy for them. They invested time, and had a dose of luck which allowed them to in turn increase their profit over what they normally could. That's business. Simple as that, a lot of major and minor companies exist today because someone was able to buy something that was rare or uncommon, and then turn around and sell it in a market where that item was coveted. You can claim it isn't right, but it is right. Calls about morality in pricing really don't hold water when you look at this as a market. I mean hey, I feel bad for someone who doesn't have ammo right now, I really do. I'll happily sell them some if I can spare it. However, they'll be paying my acquisition cost, my storage cost, and compensate my risk. I sell it to them, at what price will I have to pay in order to replace it? That all factors in.

Simple, if you don't like it, move on. Whining about pricing is pretty lame. I very rarely shop at Tiffany. Why? It's EXPENSIVE. I don't own an MG, why? It's EXPENSIVE. I don't scuba dive every week, why? It's EXPENSIVE. I'm not going to sit here and moan about how it isn't fair and that someone somewhere is taking advantage of me. That's an entitlement mentality, and it's disgraceful. I find it sad when otherwise reasonable people fall for it, and they need a dose of tough love to snap them out of it.



No.

Making statements and suggestions is not whining, but whatever floats your boat.

The artificial segment of the recent shortages is not on the supply part. You need to remember there is two parts. The flow of goods to the market has not been artificially altered. If anything, it has increased in some areas. However, I would argue that the demand for goods has been artificially altered. Simply by bringing up and continuing to talk about bans that have little chance of happening, the government has been keeping demand higher than it would be otherwise.

I never said it wasn't fair. I said it wasn't right. There's a difference.

But hey, do what you like. If you can justify those actions to yourself, at the end of the day, that's all you need. I don't have an entitlement mentality. At the end of the day, I have to answer to my God first and myself second. That's it. If you can do those things, power to you. But I won't be paying panic prices, and I will continue to suggest to my friends that they wait until the feeding frenzy subsides.

 

[1stklass]

I remember where YOUR God through his son gave a parable.... something about firing a person that sat on their money while praising and promoting the two servants that doubled theirs.... if they had quadrupled it he might have given them their own company to run!