I have been reading post on this as well as other sites and have noticed that something is missing. There seems no long term plans are being made or talked about for a total melt down of local, state and federal government. If you have stored 6 mons or more of supply's then you must believe that this is a very real possibility. Most here fall into one of two camps. Stay put and ride it out or bug out to your safe "house". I will offer up my thoughts and hope that you will do the same. After all the more ideals and plans the better. For the ones that stay put I think will be in a better position than any one who leaves UNLESS you live in a large city ..Portland , Salem, Eugene....ect. These cites have in place street gangs that are well organized and will kill you for a pair of tennis shoes. Gang Bangers have a killers mind set that most of us do not. Anyone that think the gangs will be killed out in first weeks is making a big mistake. If you live in a smaller city and are wiling to share your food after other food sources have dried up you will now be considered as one of the new leaders of you community. This move will be scoffed at by many but think of this. IF you are hoarding food while those's around you starve, you will be at the least an outcast and most likely a target that will be raided. Most of you may not agree with this but stop and think about it. People will survive long after the die off that come within the first months. There will be new groups of hunters/ gathers/ raiders and these are the ones that will live long after the SHTF. For those's that bug out to the "hills" I feel you are doomed. Sooner or later you will run out of food. When that happens you will need to come to a town where you may not be welcomed. You certainly have not been a part of this group and will not be trusted. You may be found by a hunting/ raiding party while at you camp. The groups that are around 6 mons or a year after the SHTF have honed there skills while you have been hunkered down living off your supplies. Make no mistake if they want what you have you won't stand a chance. Please reply as I'm look forward to what other members think.