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Apples and oranges! One doesn't equate to the other!I see... So you agree with the Chinese government. Good to know.
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Apples and oranges! One doesn't equate to the other!I see... So you agree with the Chinese government. Good to know.
Equating a regime suppressing all forms of protest vs. a law enforcement group trying to disburse open rioters and actual lawless behavior....I see... So you agree with the Chinese government. Good to know.
I think it is the other way around. Black people, more often than white people, live in dense urban areas. Dense urban areas are more heavily policed than suburban or rural areas. When people live in close proximity to one another, police can monitor more people more often. In more heavily policed areas, people committing crimes are caught more frequently.1. While black = 13-14% of population, as an ethnic group they commit much more crime than their percent of population, studies cite as much as 52%, and therefore have much more exposure to LE interactions.
2. Studies of LE interactions with blacks indicate that whether armed or unarmed, blacks tend to run, resist, fight, etc with LE at much higher rates. They have also been shown to carry illegal weapons at a higher rate
I have heard these "Facts" a number of times from respected sources, enough that it would seem most folks assume they are face, however, I have not seen an official report stating these as actual facts, So, while I'm inclined to believe them, I would prefer to see an actual report stating said facts!Two factors to consider:
1. While black = 13-14% of population, as an ethnic group they commit much more crime than their percent of population, studies cite as much as 52%, and therefore have much more exposure to LE interactions.
2. Studies of LE interactions with blacks indicate that whether armed or unarmed, blacks tend to run, resist, fight, etc with LE at much higher rates. They have also been shown to carry illegal weapons at a higher rate. The possibility of death then becomes commensurate with the rate of problematic encounters. Additionally, blacks can be larger, more physically imposing, more athletic, stronger, etc, leading to a higher rate of resisters that have to have deadly force applied for the protection of the officer(s), bystanders, and the community.
And the Seattle police chief just said today that all they have now is a riot stick .What's funny is things like OC, rubber balls, gas, etc. were chosen because they were better than clubs and fire hoses.
Did the study take in account the number of previous felonies and arrests of the black subjects?Study by Human Rights Watch, 2009:
The University of Chicago Law School did an extremely detailed and exhaustive study in 2013 that put succinctly says that blacks were incarcerated for convicted felony offenses 51% of the time while whites convicted of similar felonies were incarcerated 38% of the time. The same study also used an empirical approach to determine that race, not confounded with any other factor, was a key determinant in judges' decisions to incarcerate
- In every year from 1980 to 2007, blacks were arrested nationwide on drug charges at rates relative to population that were 2.8 to 5.5 times higher than white arrest rates.
- The higher rates of black drug arrests do not reflect higher rates of black drug offending. Indeed, as detailed in our May 2008 report, Targeting Blacks: Drug Law Enforcement and Race in the United States, blacks and whites engage in drug offenses-possession and sales-at roughly comparable rates. But because black drug offenders are the principal targets in the "war on drugs," the burden of drug arrests and incarceration falls disproportionately on black men and women, their families and neighborhoods.
I think it is the other way around. Black people, more often than white people, live in dense urban areas. Dense urban areas are more heavily policed than suburban or rural areas. When people live in close proximity to one another, police can monitor more people more often. In more heavily policed areas, people committing crimes are caught more frequently.
ZACKLIES!Why do I constantly hear that there are areas of our urban cities in which police avoid or are unable to safely enter? Why do I see law-abiding urban folks complaining about the lack of police presence in their neighborhoods?
Have you ever lived in a rural area? The cops in small towns and rural areas know who the troublemakers are and give them extra scrutiny.
Sorry, but I refuse to believe the data supplied by an anti-Semitic and agenda-driven organization funded by George Soros such as the Human Rights Watch. The problem isn't the cops, its the behavior of those that can't seem to obey the law and play well with others.
Was wondering that exact same thing... but for both/all races...Did the study take in account the number of previous felonies and arrests of the black subjects?
"[C]an be larger ..."? What does this mean? Are they or aren't they "larger", etc.? What evidence is there that links size to a higher rate of arrest resistance? I'm not saying you're wrong. I'd just like to know what your evidence is.Additionally, blacks can be larger, more physically imposing, more athletic, stronger, etc, leading to a higher rate of resisters that have to have deadly force applied for the protection of the officer(s), bystanders, and the community
One of the more interesting things about the BLM movement is how relatively very little attention has been paid to the War on Drugs. You'd think that if people really cared about Black lives and reducing police interactions across the board there would be a strong, clear, concerted push from BLM for ending the WoD.Study by Human Rights Watch, 2009:
- In every year from 1980 to 2007, blacks were arrested nationwide on drug charges at rates relative to population that were 2.8 to 5.5 times higher than white arrest rates.
- The higher rates of black drug arrests do not reflect higher rates of black drug offending. Indeed, as detailed in our May 2008 report, Targeting Blacks: Drug Law Enforcement and Race in the United States, blacks and whites engage in drug offenses-possession and sales-at roughly comparable rates. But because black drug offenders are the principal targets in the "war on drugs," the burden of drug arrests and incarceration falls disproportionately on black men and women, their families and neighborhoods.
National homicide statistics in the US have consistently shown that, on an annual basis, Black victims comprise roughly half of all known murder victims in the US. For example, in 2018, 53.3% of all murder victims (where race was known) were Black. Moreover, 54.9% of all murderers (where race was known) were Black. I looked at these same stats in the Obama years and there has been no significant change since Trump came into office.The University of Chicago Law School did an extremely detailed and exhaustive study in 2013 that put succinctly says that blacks were incarcerated for convicted felony offenses 51% of the time while whites convicted of similar felonies were incarcerated 38% of the time. The same study also used an empirical approach to determine that race, not confounded with any other factor, was a key determinant in judges' decisions to incarcerate.
I think it is the other way around. Black people, more often than white people, live in dense urban areas. Dense urban areas are more heavily policed than suburban or rural areas. When people live in close proximity to one another, police can monitor more people more often. In more heavily policed areas, people committing crimes are caught more frequently.
I'm usually pretty good at finding studies on the net but I cannot find any that confirm this statement. Can you supply the source of this information? Tom
Just this month, the Bureau of Justice Statistics released its 2018 survey of criminal victimization. According to the study, there were 593,598 interracial violent victimizations (excluding homicide) between blacks and whites last year, including white-on-black and black-on-white attacks. Blacks committed 537,204 of those interracial felonies, or 90 percent, and whites committed 56,394 of them, or less than 10 percent. That ratio is becoming more skewed, despite the Democratic claim of Trump-inspired white violence. In 2012-13, blacks committed 85 percent of all interracial victimizations between blacks and whites; whites committed 15 percent. From 2015 to 2018, the total number of white victims and the incidence of white victimization have grown as well.
Blacks are also overrepresented among perpetrators of hate crimes—by 50 percent—according to the most recent Justice Department data from 2017; whites are underrepresented by 24 percent. This is particularly true for anti-gay and anti-Semitic hate crimes.
I see... So you agree with the Chinese government. Good to know.
"[C]an be larger ..."? What does this mean? Are they or aren't they "larger", etc.? What evidence is there that links size to a higher rate of arrest resistance? I'm not saying you're wrong. I'd just like to know what your evidence is.
I'm usually pretty good at finding studies on the net but I cannot find any that confirm this statement. Can you supply the source of this information? Tom
I have heard these "Facts" a number of times from respected sources, enough that it would seem most folks assume they are face, however, I have not seen an official report stating these as actual facts, So, while I'm inclined to believe them, I would prefer to see an actual report stating said facts!