How the downfall of net neutrality will effect the second amendment

[Stomper]

Democrats can have good ideas....

Really?! Name one.

 

[rupey7]

Really?! Name one.

 

[Stomper]

We really need a cricket emoji around here!

 

[mkwerx]

Really?! Name one.

Hoover Dam. The TVA. The race to the moon. National park system (Ok, Roosevelt called himself a Progressive not a Dem)

 

[Stomper]

Hoover Dam. The TVA. The race to the moon. National park system (Ok, Roosevelt called himself a Progressive not a Dem)

C'mon, FOLLOW DIRECTIONS!! I said name one.

 

[slimmer13]

C'mon, FOLLOW DIRECTIONS!! I said name one.

Preferably within the last 3 decades. These ain't your daddy's democrats.

 

[Mygrainman]

Preferably within the last 3 decades. These ain't your daddy's democrats.

Exactly! Which side was it that was FOR slavery back in the day again?

 

[Stomper]

 

[mkwerx]

Stomper did not put in a time frame I would throw in the GI Bill as well, which has aided many a conservative soldier get a college education after their time in uniform was up.

My point is party affiliation does not automatically render all ideas good or bad. Party politics gets in the way of just about everything. I would hardly say republicans have done any good in the last 30 years either. They have had full control of the congress and whitehouse for 11 months and just barely got a budget passed. No HPA, no relaxed gun laws, no tax reform law as of yet, no repeal of Obamacare as they ALL campaigned on, Hillary is still not in prison, we are still at war in third world crapholes pn the other side of the planet, there is still no wall, and the economy is still sluggish despite record highs on wall street. That they have not caved and passed tighter gun laws means little when they have not acted in our best interests anywhere else.

 

[Mygrainman]

Party selection and ordering Chinese food. If you want the kung pow, you get the broccoli chicken wether you want it or not.

 

[Heywood]

Does anyone know what operation choke point is? Or how the government is using its controls over the banking industry to squeeze gun companies?
Have any of you tried to deposite more than a couple hundred dollars cash into a friends bank account lately?
My point is, these banking institutions aren't making these decisions that harm gun companies or regulate and track how much money you deposite into an account because they thought it was a great idea. They are doing it because it was "requested" by the last administration.
I do not have reason to believe internet providers will think it is a good idea to censor your internet content. I do however have proof that the government will and has. I also have proof that content providers will and have censored content.
I suppose one can continue to fear something may happen and ignore things that are happening. But using that for justification is silly.

 

[jonnyonthespot]

Money-Money!

There are plenty of gun reviews and pro 2A video bloggers going strong on YouTube etc. Some of the nastiest PORN is as prevalent as ever (how popular do you think those things really are with a lot of people. Let alone all the church going folk and prolife members we have here). Nobody is up in arms about that.

There are crazy people all over the internet.

If your video is being banned or demonetized it is because it's unpopular and breaks pop culture, which is what makes money.

Maybe your video is just outright bubblegum! Or not remotely entertaining. Maybe you're just not cut to out to entertain people.
If you're yelling about brown people and foreigners what do you expect to happen? You're not a billionaire! You're not even a millionaire! You're not OJ Simpson!

Quiz: how does a guy get a boat load is suspicious looking cases into a Vegas hotel room!? MONEY!

What happens when he loses a bunch of that MONEY. He bubbleguming kills a bunch of people.

How does a billionaire with the IQ of a burrito become president of the US!? MONEY! And just because he says some dumb bubblegum do you seriously think it's okay if you do to?

All th money nothing else. Gun sales soared under Obama he's been gone a year. if you're still blaming him for bubblegum then you're a dumb bubblegum. Remington the nations second largest firearms manufacturer is now in trouble because of a sales slump.

Who hurts guns? Dumb bubblegums hurt guns. Selling firearms was a huge source of income for the US under Dems and Reps, as is legal immigration. Those Work Visas are not free.

Why? Because Trump won, how many of you think he's going to win a second term after the bubblegum show so far! Or even doing okay. My worst fears have been realized and shown that the base supporters will follow him off a cliff if he says it's a good idea.

I'm stocking up on AR's and magazines for when the next guy wins because that's when we're in trouble. And yes I'm going to hike up the prices to make myself some MONEY!

 

[slimmer13]

Money-Money!

There are plenty of gun reviews and pro 2A video bloggers going strong on YouTube etc. Some of the nastiest PORN is as prevalent as ever (how popular do you think those things really are with a lot of people. Let alone all the church going folk and prolife members we have here). Nobody is up in arms about that.

There are crazy people all over the internet.

If your video is being banned or demonetized it is because it's unpopular and breaks pop culture, which is what makes money.

Maybe your video is just outright bubblegum! Or not remotely entertaining. Maybe you're just not cut to out to entertain people.
If you're yelling about brown people and foreigners what do you expect to happen? You're not a billionaire! You're not even a millionaire!

Quiz: how does a guy get a boat load is suspicious looking cases into a Vegas hotel room!? MONEY!

What happens when he loses a bunch of that MONEY. He bubbleguming kills a bunch of people.

How does a billionaire with the IQ of a burrito become president of the US!? MONEY! And just because he says some dumb bubblegum do you seriously think it's okay if you do to?

All th money nothing else. Gun sales soared under Obama he's been gone a year. if you're still blaming him for bubblegum then you're a dumb bubblegum. Remington the nations second largest firearms manufacturer is now in trouble because of a sales slump.

Who hurts guns? Dumb bubblegums hurt guns. Selling firearms was a huge source of income for the US under Dems and Reps, as is legal immigration. Those Work Visas are not free.

Why? Because Trump won, how many of you think he's going to win a second term after the bubblegum show so far! Or even doing okay. My worst fears have been realized and shown that the base supporters will follow him off a cliff if he says it's a good idea.

I'm stocking up on AR's and magazines for when the next guy wins because that's when we're in trouble. And yes I'm going to hike up the prices to make myself some MONEY!

Wut?

 

[Heywood]

Wut?

X2

 

[ZigZagZeke]

When we are no longer allowed to access websites like this one because Comcast has decided that guns are bad who will we blame then. To me I see this as just another sign of how gun friendly the 'Good ole party" is. Chasing the mighty dollar instead of doing what is right. Ending net nuetrallity is a form of censorship by those that provide access to the internet.

Exactly.

Try this on for size. There is one toll road from the public interstate highway to your house. A private company named ACME owns it. ACME also owns a trucking company and a grocery store. ACME is owned by vegetarians. ACME has established several lanes on the toll road. ACME charges extra to use the "fast" lane, which is well maintained. The other lanes are in various states of disrepair, the worst being unusable. The ACME company trucks, of course, don't pay any tolls. ACME doesn't allow certain competing trucking companies to use the road at all unless they are hauling groceries from the ACME grocery store. ACME doesn't permit the hauling of meat under any circumstances. Many trucking companies and other stores cannot afford to use the road at all. You live at the end of this road. How do you suppose you're going to like this arrangement?

Now consider that the toll road is the "last mile" internet connection to your house ACME is your ISP (Comcast, Verizon, etc.) The ACME grocery store is your ISP's On Demand video service where you can buy or rent movies. Meat is anything your ISP disapproves of, like guns or porn or free speech.

Get the picture? This is what net neutrality is all about. Data is data, as far as your ISP is concerned it should not make any difference what that data is, where it came from, what its content is, or who you might be paying for it. Your ISP shouldn't be able to bar it or slow it down. They shouldn't be able to favor their own content. You're paying them to deliver data. The nature and source of that data is none of their business.

 

[JRuby]

Money-Money!

There are plenty of gun reviews and pro 2A video bloggers going strong on YouTube etc. Some of the nastiest PORN is as prevalent as ever (how popular do you think those things really are with a lot of people. Let alone all the church going folk and prolife members we have here). Nobody is up in arms about that.

There are crazy people all over the internet.

If your video is being banned or demonetized it is because it's unpopular and breaks pop culture, which is what makes money.

Maybe your video is just outright bubblegum! Or not remotely entertaining. Maybe you're just not cut to out to entertain people.
If you're yelling about brown people and foreigners what do you expect to happen? You're not a billionaire! You're not even a millionaire! You're not OJ Simpson!

Quiz: how does a guy get a boat load is suspicious looking cases into a Vegas hotel room!? MONEY!

What happens when he loses a bunch of that MONEY. He bubbleguming kills a bunch of people.

How does a billionaire with the IQ of a burrito become president of the US!? MONEY! And just because he says some dumb bubblegum do you seriously think it's okay if you do to?

All th money nothing else. Gun sales soared under Obama he's been gone a year. if you're still blaming him for bubblegum then you're a dumb bubblegum. Remington the nations second largest firearms manufacturer is now in trouble because of a sales slump.

Who hurts guns? Dumb bubblegums hurt guns. Selling firearms was a huge source of income for the US under Dems and Reps, as is legal immigration. Those Work Visas are not free.

Why? Because Trump won, how many of you think he's going to win a second term after the bubblegum show so far! Or even doing okay. My worst fears have been realized and shown that the base supporters will follow him off a cliff if he says it's a good idea.

I'm stocking up on AR's and magazines for when the next guy wins because that's when we're in trouble. And yes I'm going to hike up the prices to make myself some MONEY!

I hope you have been drinking because I found what you typed to be quiet incoherent. Maybe I should try drinking and see if it makes more sense.

 

[slimmer13]

Exactly.

Try this on for size. There is one toll road from the public interstate highway to your house. A private company named ACME owns it. ACME also owns a trucking company and a grocery store. ACME is owned by vegetarians. ACME has established several lanes on the toll road. ACME charges extra to use the "fast" lane, which is well maintained. The other lanes are in various states of disrepair, the worst being unusable. The ACME company trucks, of course, don't pay any tolls. ACME doesn't allow certain competing trucking companies to use the road at all unless they are hauling groceries from the ACME grocery store. ACME doesn't permit the hauling of meat under any circumstances. Many trucking companies and other stores cannot afford to use the road at all. You live at the end of this road. How do you suppose you're going to like this arrangement?

Now consider that the toll road is the "last mile" internet connection to your house ACME is your ISP (Comcast, Verizon, etc.) The ACME grocery store is your ISP's On Demand video service where you can buy or rent movies. Meat is anything your ISP disapproves of, like guns or porn or free speech.

Get the picture? This is what net neutrality is all about. Data is data, as far as your ISP is concerned it should not make any difference what that data is, where it came from, what its content is, or who you might be paying for it. Your ISP shouldn't be able to bar it or slow it down. They shouldn't be able to favor their own content. You're paying them to deliver data. The nature and source of that data is none of their business.

And how is that changed when it's the government that controls the "road". At any point the government could decide only what is deemed government friendly data may pass. This seems far more likely than private entities filtering content because it would literally be bad for business.

That's how a free market is supposed to work. Sure some bad actors may do the wrong thing, but as long as there is a strong demand for firearms related content, they have a financial incentive to provide it, where the government has no skin in the game and could literally restrict the data flow for political opponents etc.

 

[ZigZagZeke]

The ISPs are no different than a trucking/freight company. They do the exact same thing, and none of us complain. We understand that you can't ship an engine block as cheap as a feather pillow.
So if they want to charge more for TBs of data in the form of a movie subscription than they do for my <1Mb of text every month, I get that.
That makes perfect sense to me.

Really....The ISPs charge a flat fee for "unlimited" data, but they all have data caps. Essentially, you are paying a flat fee for up to 1TB of data. If you don't use that much it's not my fault. Do you think you'll get a lower rate somehow? Do you believe in the tooth fairy? Data all weighs the same. It doesn't matter whether it's a movie or email. A Gigabyte of data is a Gigabyte of data. It shouldn't matter to Comcast or Verizon. Except for the fact that they have their own products to sell. If they can throttle delivery speeds for Netflix (which they've been caught doing) and force Netflix to pay them extra for "premium" delivery, then what you and I pay for Netflix content will have to go up, making Comcast's in-house content relatively cheaper. That's the motive behind ending net neutrality. Net neutrality was instituted when it was because up until then these non-competitive practices didn't gain anyone anything. But now in the age of internet TV and video content the big ISPs began using these anti-competition practices.

I suspect that the anti-anything-Obama mentality will prevail though, so goodbye internet. It was nice knowing you. My Congress-critters are just looking out for my best interests, I'm sure. I'm sure I won't be facing a bill from Comcast in the very near future that makes my cell phone bill look simple. I'm sure I won't have to police my kids' usage on their iPads to make sure we don't get zapped with an extra $100 on the bill every month. I'm sure our ISPs are just fair and simple folk looking to make a reasonable profit using the PUBLIC internet for their own benefit. Oh, and the tooth fairy is coming tonight.

 

[ZigZagZeke]

And how is that changed when it's the government that controls the "road". At any point the government could decide only what is deemed government friendly data may pass. This seems far more likely than private entities filtering content because it would literally be bad for business.

That's how a free market is supposed to work. Sure some bad actors may do the wrong thing, but as long as there is a strong demand for firearms related content, they have a financial incentive to provide it, where the government has no skin in the game and could literally restrict the data flow for political opponents etc.

And the government does all of these things on our interstate highways now? I must have missed it. When was the last time you were able to vote on a policy established by your ISP (Comcast, Verizon, etc.)? Net neutrality simply says that all data must be treated the same. How is that open to abuse?

And BTW, "...private entities filtering content because it would literally be bad for business..." has already been found to be reality.

 

[slimmer13]

And the government does all of these things on our interstate highways now? I must have missed it. When was the last time you were able to vote on a policy established by your ISP (Comcast, Verizon, etc.)? Net neutrality simply says that all data must be treated the same. How is that open to abuse?

And BTW, "...private entities filtering content because it would literally be bad for business..." has already been found to be reality.

And the government using supposed "neutral" agencies (IRS) to punish political opponents has also proven to have been reality.

At the end of the day, you either believe in the principle of a free market or you don't. Like I said, there may be bad actors, but that is akin to making a food that tastes terrible. Nobody will want it. And you will know because there will be transparency rules.

"Under my proposal," commission chair Ajit Pai noted yesterday, "the FCC would simply require Internet service providers to be transparent about their practices so that consumers can buy the service plan that's best for them and entrepreneurs and other small businesses can have the technical information they need to innovate." Sounds like a good start."

Pro–Net Neutrality Graphic Makes Argument Against Net Neutrality