George Floyd

[HaveGun]

Does this describe someone you know?

1. Doesn't support the police when they are enforcing the Governor's stay at home orders during a pandemic.
2. Supports the police when they suffocate a restrained man until he is dead.

Strange times we live in. The good news is Derek Chauvin is the most famous cop in America right now, and even if he's not in jail yet, him and his family are in for a wild ride.

Are you advocating harm against the officer's family?

 

[arakboss]

Are you advocating harm against the officer's family?

That's the way they roll. Dose anybody besides them believe that the businesses that were looted, burned and destroyed were responsible for Mr. Floyds death. As Cardi B. said "it is what it is."

Edit: As is often the case with drive by shootings, families are not off limits. Ice Cube has made it clear what direction he thinks they should be moving:

"How long will we go for Blue on Black crime until we strike back?"

 

[gunnoob75]

Are you advocating harm against the officer's family?

I think he's advocating for massive press exposure of a murderer.

 

[awshoot]

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And if intervening were to be advocated it could only be for a gross, obvious injustice. It's not something I'm advocating for in general. But one has to think there could be a situation where morally it is the right decision, and this very well may have been such a situation.
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Let me preface this by saying that anyone who would intervene in this event, would in my mind be a hero. The problem is practical: if the intervenor succeeds, then Floyd lives and the intervenor is going to at minimum, be prosecuted and a defense of "but he was killing him" simply won't fly because Floyd would be alive and it would be waved away as conjecture. So from a practical/legal perspective, the only people who can intervene are the fellow police officers. Anyone else is throwing their own life away. It would REALLY suck to be a non-police bystander in that circumstance.

 

[awshoot]

The moment the crowd erupt into anarchy, violence, looting, burning, etc they lose all credibility.
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A subsequent crime by people uninvolved in the first crime never causes the first crime to be dismissed. And properly so -- two wrongs don't make a right.

 

[E4mafia]

The police station in MN is now sieged and on fire.

 

[sobo]

This commentator's "reporting" is beyond hyperbolic... C'mon, man, juice it up just a little bit more for the ratings...

"organic uprising"
"from 400 years of oppression"
and I can't even recall the rest of the breathless "reporting"...

 

[oneharmonic]

Are you advocating harm against the officer's family?

The only one facing jail time is the officer. The family gets to enjoy the notoriety of being related to a killer.

 

[awshoot]

The police station in MN is now sieged and on fire.

 

[E4mafia]

This stuff is kicking up all over the nation. Portland's now got a group amassing on 3rd and Maine.

Most major cities across the country are experiencing similar events with groups.

 

[sobo]

I thought UC Berkeley was s'posed to be leading all of this? Man, talk about losing your priorities...

 

[HaveGun]

I think he's advocating for massive press exposure of a murderer.

And his family. His subsequent response also indicates that he is advocating whatever negative harm or actions come to the officer also be suffered by his wife and children.

 

[nammac]

The police station in MN is now sieged and on fire.

More of George's Memorial Service...

 

[EHJ]

The only one facing jail time is the officer. The family gets to enjoy the notoriety of being related to a killer.

Good for the gander, good for the goose I guess?

It doesn't really matter what you think I said, the reality of the situation is that the family will suffer for the sins of the father.

 

[cigars]

This stuff is kicking up all over the nation. Portland's now got a group amassing on 3rd and Maine.

Most major cities across the country are experiencing similar events with groups.

Portland's mob is only coming out now because they spent all of their stimulus money on weed and now they're out of Doritos. They've been in their basements for the last couple of months so it will take them some time to adjust to the daylight.

 

[oneharmonic]

And his family. His subsequent response also indicates that he is advocating whatever negative harm or actions come to the officer also be suffered by his wife and children.

It doesn't really matter what you think I said, the reality of the situation is that the family will suffer for the sins of the father.

 

[awshoot]

It doesn't really matter what you think I said, the reality of the situation is that the family will suffer for the sins of the father.

It's sad -- the other members of his family have nothing to do with it. Mob retribution is not justice. I'm not saying the officer should not be charged, quite the contrary, but the family has nothing to do with it:

Refugee once shamed for her looks vying to be the first Hmong Mrs. Minnesota

As a child, Kellie Chauvin was teased, bullied and the only one of her friends who was not invited to participate in a local parade, all because other children called her ugly. The teasing never en…

www.twincities.com

 

[arakboss]

It doesn't really matter what you think I said, the reality of the situation is that the family will suffer for the sins of the father.

Happens all the time:

Child shot

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[CLT65]

How come none of us get thrown down and knee to the neck in our lives? Maybe because we have half a brain and act civil and be good humans .

Personally I think it's irrelevant what kind of person he was or whether or not he was an addict or criminal. If they can do it to him, they can do it to you.

I know this from experience. A squeaky-clean close relative was assaulted by a police officer (wrong place at the wrong time- cop made a mistake) a long time ago. It caused serious long-term damage to the family, and the bad cop got away with it because the agency stood up for him, even when they knew full well he was in the wrong. Not bashing cops, just relating my experience- I was there. This was a completely different incident than the one I related in an earlier post. Decades later, I am generally a pretty strong supporter of law enforcement, but you never forget things like that. They affect your perspective for life.

As to the racial component, I do have another thought. This may make me sound like one of the liberals and socialists on here (I'm NOT), but I'll say it anyhow. We often refer, in one way or another, to "those people", meaning (we'd rather not admit) poor, inner city blacks. I'm pretty sure that most of us are not racist, but rather look at such things from an instinctively tribal perspective: "Why are 'those people' always committing crimes? Why don't they just get jobs and behave, like me?" It's hard to admit that it's just not that easy.

It's hard to open your mind enough to try to understand the perspective of another culture, their problems, frustrations, outlooks and assumptions that they've been brought up with. I'll never excuse criminal behavior, and just because you might understand their perspective doesn't mean you have to agree with it, but I do think it helps you to be able to recognize them as human beings, not just criminals or thugs. What happened to that community that has caused so many young men to think crime, drugs, and gangs are normal and acceptable? Is it easier to just right them off as a "bunch of criminals who belong in jail", or try to understand why that is so, and what can be done about it? That "dirt-bag criminal" in the gutter really is a human being, whether we like it or not. I know, I'm sounding like a preacher (I'm not).

Honestly I don't know. These are just the meandering thoughts of a law-and-order white guy who really knows very little about the issue at hand, but is just bleeding-heart enough to feel bad for generations of people trapped in poverty and crime. How do you really help people; I don't know that either. Easier said than done.

That said, I have no use for those who play up stuff like this not for justice, but to instead advance their own agenda. I think people like that are counterproductive to actually making any positive changes.

I really don't claim to know anything. I could very well be completely wrong about all of this. Those are just my thoughts; take for what they're worth (not much).

 

[cigars]

Here's a gem, police station on fire now. I guess their mayor and city council are like ours here in Portland, stand down and let the mobs do what they want.

Minneapolis police 3rd Precinct building on fire; city asks those in area to move away due to potential gas leak

Protests in the Twin Cities are continuing Thursday night after George Floyd's death ...

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