Other State Fatal Gun Confiscation Attempt

[ZigZagZeke]

A man's sister swore out a "red flag" gun confiscation order on him. For some unfathomable reason the police served it at 05:00. He met them at the door armed and an argument ensued. The homeowner was fatally shot.

Md. officers serving 'red flag' gun seizure fatally shoot armed man

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[BDA.45]

Huh, weird. Need more info. To me it sounded like he was like "F you, you aint takin my guns....."

 

[Stomper]

Huh, weird. Need more info. To me it sounded like he was like "F you, you aint takin my guns....."

Other than him getting shot to death.... the problem would be?

 

[Member 34319]

From my cold dead hands!

Literally.

I feel like this is going to happen a lot more in times to come.

 

[Stomper]

From my cold dead hands!

Literally.

I feel like this is going to happen a lot more in times to come.

This will occur more and more in the future, which will FORCE this to be brought to the courts.

 

[CountryGent]

And, sadly, this state has such a law in place right now.

 

[bolus]

If cops come to your house for a "red flag" and demand your guns and you say no, there is zero chance of you leaving that situation alive.

 

[titsonritz]

A man's sister swore out a "red flag" gun confiscation order on him.

I bet she feels great now. Was it worth it?

 

[Koda]

I bet she feels great now. Was it worth it?

it was if he deserves it.

Here's the thing about these red flag laws that's a two edged sword.... they don't follow due process for removal of the right, but the vast majority of them are going to be over legitimate concerns.

 

[notazombie]

Disagree. That's like saying because I wore a seatbelt today, I didn't die in a crash.

 

[edzz]

it was if he deserves it.

Here's the thing about these red flag laws that's a two edged sword.... they don't follow due process for removal of the right, but the vast majority of them are going to be over legitimate concerns.

Legitimate concerns, as determined by who?

Weak article.

 

[Koda]

Legitimate concerns, as determined by who?

Weak article.

nobody knows, the article didn't say why the relative got the order on him. But we do know a reasonable man would have argued his case in court and proved the person a liar.

 

[edzz]

nobody knows, the article didn't say why the relative got the order on him. But we do know a reasonable man would have argued his case in court and proved the person a liar.

Not all of us are reasonable at 5 am.

 

[titsonritz]

nobody knows, the article didn't say why the relative got the order on him. But we do know a reasonable man would have argued his case in court and proved the person a liar.

So kill him.

 

[Koda]

I don't agree with the law, I'm just saying we will never know now if the guy deserved it or not it was a stupid move on his part. The only way these laws would ever get overturned is if we know they are being abused more than used.


here is a tiny bit more news on it... Anne Arundel police say officers fatally shot armed man while serving protective order to remove guns

 

[American123]

The problem with red flag laws is that it implies that a person is guilty unless proven innocent all because of the feelings of another person with little if any factual evidence before the rights of another person are suspended.

In a society where half the country thinks the other half is "crazy" just because they like to own guns, it creates a potentially hostile situation for gun owners at best, and an easily weaponized law at worst.

A good example is the term "swatting," where someone makes a false police report that results in someone getting raided by police / swat. This has been done to video game players before while live streaming, but it hasn't been limited to them. This has already resulted in people being killed. Using red flag laws for hostile purposes isn't far-fetched when 'swatting' is already a real thing.

I contend the notion that red flag laws actually do much of anything beneficial. The reason why is because for example if someone is truly a threat, but they haven't committed any crimes, there is nothing legally to be done, and if they have committed crimes to be legally debarred the possessions of firearms, then the red flag law is irrelevant because they have already done something or there is sufficient evidence of a crime to hold them.

The law is rather anti-American and possibly escalates a situation into violence where none would have been. Taking a person's firearms is confrontational naturally. Many perfectly law abiding Americans when pressed into such a situation despite a generally respectful and law abiding disposition may find themselves rather rebellious of such a notion.

 

[titsonritz]

These laws WILL get people needlessly killed including LEOs.

 

[albin25]

aaaand the "Pre-Crime Unit" strikes again!.....
….wasn't there a movie about this a few years ago?

 

[American123]

aaaand the "Pre-Crime Unit" strikes again!.....
….wasn't there a movie about this a few years ago?

Minority Report

 

[titsonritz]

Minority Report

I want a sick-stick.