Elections will have consequences for gun owners

[Oregonhunter5]

Oh, yes he does. He just won't be alive or in the big chair when it comes down.

Joe wants to be liked. He doesn't have the mojo and toughness to do anything. Just eats, sleeps, and creeps out young girls .

 

[GWS]

Oh, yes he does. He just won't be alive or in the big chair when it comes down.

That's why he picked Beto(ff) to do it for him.
Biden himself is an empty suit. If A donor offered him enough money he would embrace the Second as a decree from God on high.

 

[Alexx1401]

I'll tell you one thing President Trump and some Republicans have done and that's acknowledge the extreme, far left violence/terrorism we have been seeing for the past 80+ straight nights (did you all see the dude get his head kicked off in portland the other night).

The burning, looting, and beating has become so routine that it is commonplace.

Meanwhile we have governors, mayors, representatives, etc. Supporting it, ignoring it, or claiming it doesn't exist .

This alone is reason enough to vote out the extreme left and reelect Trump. We must send the message that this terrorism will not be tolerated in the USA.

When people are afraid to wear a t shirt/hat, put a sticker on their car or a sign in their yard for fear of assualt or vandalism, yes, that is terrorism. And it's not acceptable, regardless of political leanings.

Oh, and while all this is going on, the same politicians want to restrict the law abiding citizens right to self defense.

One important thing you need to remember about this. A HUGE amount of the US have never seen the burning and looting. If you watch the main big news sources they either act like it does not exist, or play it down. At time it was so bad it looked like Baghdad Bob. A reporter doing a live shot of a "peaceful protest" as a building is on fire in the background. As soon as media figured out the stuff going on in cities that have been run by one party for decades was not good for Joe they stopped reporting it. If you look for it you can find it but turn on the big news sources and you will not see or hear it.
This great plague hoax is a great example. You can find a lot of video of Doctors telling the truth about it but, you will not find them on big sources. They are promptly kicked off the net by the big names as they do not want another side to be seen. It makes it easy for those who prefer to remain in the dark to stay in the dark.

 

[Alexx1401]

At the end of the day, what % of folks on this site will give up there guns?
Zero.
So it's a argument that doesn't matter in my opinion. We will shoot first.

That sadly is not the way it works. This site is a very small fraction of the gun owning public. Even here the tough talk is often just talk. When it comes down to some authority telling people you either give me your weapons we said you can't own any more or no job for you and you lose everything you own, most will line up and give them up. A few may try to hang on to some but, they will not be able to use them. How many people sat back and watched as people were ordered to no longer have a business or a job and said nothing? That was a test case to see what those in power could get away with. They were shocked at how easy it was. When they start taking guns it will not be any different. They will not take them all in one swoop. It will be like CA, one bit at a time. As each new "take" does nothing to crime they take more. If some gun owners does get shot making a stand? The press will go wall to wall to make them out to be a kook. Most watching the news will agree the guy was some kook. Most will simply give up to keep what they have. We see it every election. <shrug>
We shall see November how many people really think they need to stand up. When we can't get gun owners to sign a petition I hold out no hope these same gun owners are suddenly going to grow a spine now. If they again choose to sit out the election again and let one side win, they have told everyone how they feel.

 

[Alexx1401]

That's why he picked Beto(ff) to do it for him.
Biden himself is an empty suit. If A donor offered him enough money he would embrace the Second as a decree from God on high.

If people get sick of this and start to kick law makers to the curb over it? You would see people like Joe and even Chuck S start saying 2A was super important. They will say anything they have to do to keep power. They often do not believe anything they say but, they will do what is needed to keep the job. It all comes down to voters.

 

[Oregonhunter5]

That sadly is not the way it works. This site is a very small fraction of the gun owning public. Even here the tough talk is often just talk. When it comes down to some authority telling people you either give me your weapons we said you can't own any more or no job for you and you lose everything you own, most will line up and give them up. A few may try to hang on to some but, they will not be able to use them. How many people sat back and watched as people were ordered to no longer have a business or a job and said nothing? That was a test case to see what those in power could get away with. They were shocked at how easy it was. When they start taking guns it will not be any different. They will not take them all in one swoop. It will be like CA, one bit at a time. As each new "take" does nothing to crime they take more. If some gun owners does get shot making a stand? The press will go wall to wall to make them out to be a kook. Most watching the news will agree the guy was some kook. Most will simply give up to keep what they have. We see it every election. <shrug>
We shall see November how many people really think they need to stand up. When we can't get gun owners to sign a petition I hold out no hope these same gun owners are suddenly going to grow a spine now. If they again choose to sit out the election again and let one side win, they have told everyone how they feel.

Well i guess i will say i will shoot first. Cause I'm not going jail. And we've worked really hard to be completely debt free. So i will make money anyway needs be. They wont be controlling me. Is it gods will that we will end in ruins? Yes. But i wont be doing so unarmed...........

 

[Oregonhunter5]

That's why he picked Beto(ff) to do it for him.
Biden himself is an empty suit. If A donor offered him enough money he would embrace the Second as a decree from God on high.

Imagine how the normal gun owner will feel if Beto comes for your guns. lol!!!! He's a complete definition of a goob.

 

[nammac]

Imagine how the normal gun owner will feel if Beto comes for your guns. lol!!!! He's a complete definition of a goob.

He'll just be another felon holding political office...

 

[Oregonhunter5]

He wont be around long

 

[powersbj]

And exactly will Trump do?

Appoint a pro 2a Supreme Court Justice. Nothing else really matters.

 

[JRuby]

It has been interesting hearing the buzz during the beginning of the DNC convention about how we should vote for Joe because Trump is mean, loud and has no empathy. While these traits may or may not be things that bother me, I have to compare them to actual policy and philosophical positions of Biden/Harris and the democrats in general:

- higher taxes
- anti- 2A
- diminishing personal rights contrasted with increased role of government
- liberal judges and SCOTUS picks
- support of anarchy and chaos
- lack of support for pre-born rights
- support of santuary cities and immigrants over citizens
- excessive spending without benchmarks for proof of success
- social justice as a means to tearing down society in order to reengineer it
- environmental positions
- etc

This choice also reminds me of discussions during the election period ahead of Bill Clinton's second term. The synopsis was that we should just vote for Bill because he was likeable and things surely counldn't get any worse by re-electing him. Instead, after electing Bill as a nation we got the Lewinski affair, Impeachment and a debasing of national social norms.

I would hope that as a nation we don't have to learn the hard way again.

God forbid another president like Bill Clinton

The Clinton Presidency: A Historic Era of Progress and Prosperity

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• Longest economic expansion in American history
  The President's strategy of fiscal discipline, open foreign markets and investments in the American people helped create the conditions for a record 115 months of economic expansion. Our economy has grown at an average of 4 percent per year since 1993.
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• More than 22 million new jobs
  More than 22 million jobs were created in less than eight years -- the most ever under a single administration, and more than were created in the previous twelve years.
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• Highest homeownership in American history
  A strong economy and fiscal discipline kept interest rates low, making it possible for more families to buy homes. The homeownership rate increased from 64.2 percent in 1992 to 67. 7 percent, the highest rate ever.
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• Lowest unemployment in 30 years
  Unemployment dropped from more than 7 percent in 1993 to just 4.0 percent in November 2000. Unemployment for African Americans and Hispanics fell to the lowest rates on record, and the rate for women is the lowest in more than 40 years.
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• Raised education standards, increased school choice, and doubled education and training investment
  Since 1992, reading and math scores have increased for 4th, 8th, and 12th graders, math SAT scores are at a 30-year high, the number of charter schools has grown from 1 to more than 2,000, forty-nine states have put in place standards in core subjects and federal investment in education and training has doubled.
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• Largest expansion of college opportunity since the GI Bill
  President Clinton and Vice President Gore have nearly doubled financial aid for students by increasing Pell Grants to the largest award ever, expanding Federal Work-Study to allow 1 million students to work their way through college, and by creating new tax credits and scholarships such as Lifetime Learning tax credits and the HOPE scholarship. At the same time, taxpayers have saved $18 billion due to the decline in student loan defaults, increased collections and savings from the direct student loan program.
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• Connected 95 percent of schools to the Internet
  President Clinton and Vice President Gore's new commitment to education technology, including the E-Rate and a 3,000 percent increase in educational technology funding, increased the percentage of schools connected to the Internet from 35 percent in 1994 to 95 percent in 1999.
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• Lowest crime rate in 26 years
  Because of President Clinton's comprehensive anti-crime strategy of tough penalties, more police, and smart prevention, as well as common sense gun safety laws, the overall crime rate declined for 8 consecutive years, the longest continuous drop on record, and is at the lowest level since 1973.
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• 100,000 more police for our streets
  As part of the 1994 Crime Bill, President Clinton enacted a new initiative to fund 100,000 community police officers. To date more than 11,000 law enforcement agencies have received COPS funding.
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• Enacted most sweeping gun safety legislation in a generation
  Since the President signed the Brady bill in 1993, more than 600,000 felons, fugitives, and other prohibited persons have been stopped from buying guns. Gun crime has declined 40 percent since 1992.
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• Family and Medical Leave Act for 20 million Americans
  To help parents succeed at work and at home, President Clinton signed the Family and Medical Leave Act in 1993. Over 20 million Americans have taken unpaid leave to care for a newborn child or sick family member.
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• Smallest welfare rolls in 32 years
  The President pledged to end welfare as we know it and signed landmark bipartisan welfare reform legislation in 1996. Since then, caseloads have been cut in half, to the lowest level since 1968, and millions of parents have joined the workforce. People on welfare today are five times more likely to be working than in 1992.
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• Higher incomes at all levels
  After falling by nearly $2,000 between 1988 and 1992, the median family's income rose by $6,338, after adjusting for inflation, since 1993. African American family income increased even more, rising by nearly $7,000 since 1993. After years of stagnant income growth among average and lower income families, all income brackets experienced double-digit growth since 1993. The bottom 20 percent saw the largest income growth at 16.3 percent.
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• Lowest poverty rate in 20 years
  Since Congress passed President Clinton's Economic Plan in 1993, the poverty rate declined from 15.1 percent to 11.8 percent last year — the largest six-year drop in poverty in nearly 30 years. There are now 7 million fewer people in poverty than in 1993. The child poverty rate declined more than 25 percent, the poverty rates for single mothers, African Americans and the elderly have dropped to their lowest levels on record, and Hispanic poverty dropped to its lowest level since 1979.
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• Lowest teen birth rate in 60 years
  In his 1995 State of the Union Address, President Clinton challenged Americans to join together in a national campaign against teen pregnancy. The birth rate for teens aged 15-19 declined every year of the Clinton Presidency, from 60.7 per 1,000 teens in 1992 to a record low of 49.6 in 1999.
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• Lowest infant mortality rate in American history
  The Clinton Administration expanded efforts to provide mothers and newborn children with health care. Today, a record high 82 percent of all mothers receive prenatal care. The infant mortality rate has dropped from 8.5 deaths per 1,000 in 1992 to 7.2 deaths per 1,000 in 1998, the lowest rate ever recorded.
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• Deactivated more than 1,700 nuclear warheads from the former Soviet Union
  Efforts of the Clinton-Gore Administration led to the dismantling of more than 1,700 nuclear warheads, 300 launchers and 425 land and submarine based missiles from the former Soviet Union.
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• Protected millions of acres of American land
  President Clinton has protected more land in the lower 48 states than any other president. He has protected 5 new national parks, designated 11 new national monuments and expanded two others and proposed protections for 60 million acres of roadless areas in America's national forests.
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• Paid off $360 billion of the national debt
  Between 1998-2000, the national debt was reduced by $363 billion — the largest three-year debt pay-down in American history. We are now on track to pay off the entire debt by 2009.
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• Converted the largest budget deficit in American history to the largest surplus
  Thanks in large part to the 1993 Deficit Reduction Act, the 1997 Balanced Budget Act, and President Clinton's call to save the surplus for debt reduction, Social Security, and Medicare solvency, America has put its fiscal house in order. The deficit was $290 billion in 1993 and expected to grow to $455 billion by this year. Instead, we have a projected surplus of $237 billion.
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• Lowest government spending in three decades
  Under President Clinton federal government spending as a share of the economy has decreased from 22.2 percent in 1992 to a projected 18.5 percent in 2000, the lowest since 1966.
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• Lowest federal income tax burden in 35 years
  President Clinton enacted targeted tax cuts such as the Earned Income Tax Credit expansion, $500 child tax credit, and the HOPE Scholarship and Lifetime Learning Tax Credits. Federal income taxes as a percentage of income for the typical American family have dropped to their lowest level in 35 years.
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• More families own stock than ever before
  The number of families owning stock in the United States increased by 40 percent since 1992.
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• Most diverse cabinet in American history
  The President has appointed more African Americans, women and Hispanics to the Cabinet than any other President in history. He appointed the first female Attorney General, the first female Secretary of State and the first Asian American cabinet secretary ever.

 

[Dinglenutz]

God forbid another president like Bill Clinton

Kamala ain't no Bill Clinton

 

[nammac]

And let's not forget the Clinton Assault Weapons and high capacity magazine ban, along with the firearms import ban...

 

[CountryGent]

along with the firearms import ban...

If you mean the import ban on so called "assault weapons", that was done by one George H.W. Bush (R) in 1989. And it was imposed via Executive Order (EO), therefore any president, including the present occupant of the oval office, can resend said with a stroke of the pen. He hasn't, of course, nor likely will. There is even less chance his incoherent, anti-2A opponent will either.

 

[ARFrog]

God forbid another president like Bill Clinton

JRuby, it seems like you are looking for some external validation. Let me just say that if you are happy, good for you.

If memory serves me, many of the positive accomplishments you quote seemingly (or conveniently) leave out the effects of having to govern during a period with a conservative congress holding fiscal accountability. If you will remember accurately, some of his more progressing leanings, like national health care were shot down, so he had to govern from a more centrist (can you use that word for a democrat?) position.

I believe that the current crop of progressive "Ds" would not support him today. Perhaps this is why Joey B has had to move left.

 

[JRuby]

JRuby, it seems like you are looking for some external validation. Let me just say that if you are happy, good for you.

If memory serves me, many of the positive accomplishments you quote seemingly (or conveniently) leave out the effects of having to govern during a period with a conservative congress holding fiscal accountability. If you will remember accurately, some of his more progressing leanings, like national health care were shot down, so he had to govern from a more centrist (can you use that word for a democrat?) position.

I believe that the current crop of progressive "Ds" would not support him today. Perhaps this is why Joey B has had to move left.

Not looking for validation as my decision has been decided.

 

[ARFrog]

Not looking for validation as my decision has been decided.

I thought we were taking about past administrations and alleged historical revisionism. Don't tell me that you really had already made your decision and were really trying to secure current votes based on your view of glorious events 20 - 28 years in the past. If so, I'm just shocked, SHOCKED I TELL YOU!

 

[nammac]

If you mean the import ban on so called "assault weapons", that was done by one George H.W. Bush (R) in 1989. And it was imposed via Executive Order (EO), therefore any president, including the present occupant of the oval office, can resend said with a stroke of the pen. He hasn't, of course, nor likely will. There is even less chance his incoherent, anti-2A opponent will either.

I stand corrected. Thank you sir. I recall it happened right after securing a Norinco 1911, suddenly they were all gone...

 

[Siglvr]

supreme court will smack that down. Its unconstituational. Although who knows, Trump and the conservative leaning SCOTUS chose NOT to hear the suppressor case. Its almost as if politicans don't really care about what their constituents want.

EXACTLY!!!! Who do you think Biden will put on the Supreme Court? RBG is going soon, likely another as well. Will that judge be A) Pro constitution like Trump has chosen or B) Something what finds new rights and laws when it comes to sexual orientation and sex with animals or children but removes things that the constitution was explicitly to support?

hmmmmmmmmm

 

[cookie]

So what exactly makes one worse than the other?

For example being a gun owner and complaining about the loss of your gun rights yet voting for an anti gun politician.