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Do not use Paypal they are ANTIGUN!!!

Discussion in 'General Firearm Discussion' started by sagerat-shooter, Jan 21, 2014.

  1. sagerat-shooter

    sagerat-shooter Coquille, OR Member

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    I just recieved this email from PayPal:

    > Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 11:23:55 -0800
    > From: service@paypal.com
    > To: XXXXX@hotmail.com
    > Subject: Your account has been limited until we hear from you
    > Dear XXXXXXX,
    > After a recent review of your account activity, it has been determined that
    > you are in violation of PayPal's Acceptable Use Policy regarding your sales
    > / offers of ammunition on Guns for Sale - Online Gun Auction - Buy Guns at GunBroker.com, user ID: XXXXXX.
    > In order to comply with our Acceptable Use Policy and avoid the limitation
    > of your account, you will need to:
    > - Remove PayPal as a payment option, as well as all references to PayPal,
    > including the PayPal logo and/or shopping cart, from Guns for Sale - Online Gun Auction - Buy Guns at GunBroker.com.
    > - Submit the online Acceptable Use Policy affidavit.
    > The PayPal User Agreement states that PayPal, at its sole discretion,
    > reserves the right to limit an account for any violation of the User
    > Agreement, including the Acceptable Use Policy.
    > Under the Acceptable Use Policy, PayPal at its discretion, may not be used
    > to send or receive payments for firearms or weapons, which include but are
    > not limited to:
    > Firearms - Includes all rifles, shotguns, and handguns, whether they are
    > intended for use in sporting, as collectibles, or as curio and relic
    > firearms. These items are prohibited regardless of their present working
    > order.
    > Firearm parts - Includes, but is not limited to, receivers and frames,
    > silencers, kits designed to convert a firearm to automatic firing
    > capability, a magazine that can hold more than 10 rounds, multi-burst
    > trigger activators and camouflaging firearm containers.
    > Ammunition - Includes ammunition with propellant, such as gunpowder or
    > blank ammunition. Ammunition is defined as ammunition or cartridge cases,
    > primers, bullets, or propellant powder designed for any firearm.
    > This is not intended to be an all-inclusive review or list of your
    > website/s and auction/s. Furthermore, the violations of the Policy
    > described above are not intended to be an all-inclusive list. The user is
    > responsible for ensuring all transactions comply with the Acceptable Use
    > Policy.
    > For more information about the status of your account and for instructions
    > on how to restore full use of your account, please log in to your PayPal
    > account and select the "Resolution Center" link. On the next page select
    > the "Resolve" button/s located under the Action column, in the Steps to
    > Provide More Information section and follow the applicable instructions.
    > We encourage you to login and return your account to good standing as soon
    > as possible.
    > Failure to respond by the following date will result in the further
    > escalation of this issue: January 26, 2014
    > You can view the complete PayPal Acceptable Use Policy by clicking the
    > "Legal" link at the bottom of any PayPal page and clicking "PayPal
    > Acceptable Use Policy". You can also find some more information on the
    > PayPal Acceptable Use Policy on our Help Center.
    > You can find additional information and tips about buying and selling
    > safely on our Business Resource Center at
    > https://www.paypal-businesscenter.com/manage-your-business.
    > We appreciate your cooperation in this matter. If you have any questions,
    > please contact the PayPal Brand Risk Management Department at
    > aup@paypal.com.
    > Sincerely,
    > Marcy
    > PayPal, Brand Risk Management
    > PayPal, an eBay Company
    > --------------------------------------------------
    > Copyright © 1999-2014 PayPal. All rights reserved.
    > Responses to this email address are not monitored. Please send any
    > additional questions that you may have to aup@paypal.com

    I called them back and closed my account. I really didn't use it that much. Do you guys know of another paypal type online pay?
  2. Morpheus

    Morpheus Columbia Gorge Anyway, back on the farm.

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    This isn't news, it has been that way for a long time. They also enforce this policy inconsistently.

    I don't know of a gun friendly version of this service, but would love to know about one.
  3. Nwcid

    Nwcid Yakima and N of Spokane Well-Known Member

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    THIS JUST IN. 2002 called and wants it headlines back :huh:
  4. ocarolan

    ocarolan Portland, Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Does dwolla have a similar policy?
  5. TapRackNGo

    TapRackNGo PNW Well-Known Member

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    Hey we just landed on the moon!

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  6. waltermitty

    waltermitty seattle Active Member

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    i really don't see any sense hassling someone who may have just found this out and trying to help in good faith. it's good to have a refresher periodically and remind each other of those who elect to suppress 2nd Amendment rights. there continue to be new folks to the sport and cause each day and making light of their efforts is not helping. thanks, sagerat-shooter
    evltwn, Caveman Jim, captqc and 19 others like this.
  7. 308

    308 ΜOΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ ΜOΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ Platinum Supporter Silver Supporter

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    This is why you place items for sale with the disclaimer "discreet paypal accepted"....and when the transaction is processed, those involved refer to the items being sold as wood working tools, or scrap booking materials.

    Never keep $$ in a paypal account or they will freeze it until they decide you can have your $$ back

    Old news anyway.
  8. Mark W.

    Mark W. Silverton, OR Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    I buy guns and ammo with my Paypal debt card all the time. The receipts clearly state where the money has been spent.

    But yes Firearms are one of the many things you can't use Paypal on line payment system for. This is due to their being a California corporation and subject to the laws of that state.

  9. sagerat-shooter

    sagerat-shooter Coquille, OR Member

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    How does being a Cal corp make any difference? THEY are not buying the gun or ammo. So a credit card company based in CAL will refuse to allow the purchase? Or what if my bank in based in CAL I can't write a check? Or a MO from the Post Office? Where they are based has no bearing on the the transaction. They are antigun and don't want people buying guns and ammo with their service!!
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  10. Grunwald

    Grunwald Out of that nut job colony of Seattle, WA Well-Known Member

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    Depending on how much they freeze you have the option to take them to small claims court - in your jurisdiction. They cannot freeze your cash because you violated their policy. The most they can do is cancel your account.
    Best thing about small claims is that you do not need a lawyer and it is set up with that in mind.
  11. rick benjamin

    rick benjamin USA, Or, Damascus Secure the drama Silver Supporter 2016 Volunteer

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    A couple weeks ago
    Bought Win 70 Barrel on EBay.
    Paid for with Paypal.

    EBay-PayPal doesn't want to be involved with firearms or parts that require 4473 or NFA, or stuff that goes boom.

    When able, I use them because it reduces the risk of identity theft.
  12. Skang

    Skang WA Well-Known Member

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    yeah, nothing new here. ;)

    ebay / paypal is known for anti gun people.
  13. SomeDude

    SomeDude Portland, OR Reclaimer

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    That's why I have those rare purchases invoiced as "hiking equipment" or "consultation services".
  14. U201491

    U201491 Well-Known Member

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    I buy firearm related things with them all the time. It is just forearms they won't process.
    Until someone comes up with as good of security as they have I will switch to them.
    To date they are the only game in town in that regard.
    I have used them for 20 years + and about as pro gun, pro second amendment as anyone in this country.
    Maybe even more !
    I use them as an intermediary between sellers buyers and my bank.
    I keep my money in my bank.