Do Anti Gunners Really Think This?

[Koda]

It means something less than how the NRA has programmed you to believe it. Read what SCOTUS says, not what a fundraiser tells you it is.

The gun lobby hasnt programmed me to believe in anything. Im not loyal to any lobby or fundraiser. Im well aware that rights can and will be regulated.
"shall not be infringed" is codified in law. My questions still stand unanswered.

 

[VinnieBoomBah]

I was trying to make a point about the issues we face with communication between "Us & Them" and at this point in the conversation I fear it might go in a way that would be unhelpful. I meant no offence and was only attempting to point out (as others also have) that placing all the blame on the Anti's is a loosing game.

I'll be back to this later, but for now I'm bowing out before it goes more off the rails

 

[Koda]

I was trying to make a point about the issues we face with communication between "Us & Them" and at this point in the conversation I fear it might go in a way that would be unhelpful. I meant no offence and was only attempting to point out (as others also have) that placing all the blame on the Anti's is a loosing game.

I'll be back to this later, but for now I'm bowing out before it goes more off the rails

I didn't take anything offensive. I just shared my opinion that yours might not be all accurate.

pro gun community doesn't want kids to be killed any more than the anti gun community. I'm not even certain the pro gun community places all the blame on the antis, lots of pro gunners understand that not everyone wants to own guns. I think there is a large segment of people who don't want to own guns that simply (perhaps blindly) just go with the easiest option to ban guns. Like I mentioned... things like this have been discussed many times in this forum and many other gun forums.

While we set aside who to blame, lets not forget that the gun control movement wants to ban guns for more reasons than just public safety. But yeah that dips into other political topics the mods often shut down.

 

[RVTECH]

One "failure" should not deter one from continuing to make an effort. Keep trying. Explain to them the ideology that goes along with gun ownership/usage. Have discussion about the differences in our vs. liberal ideology. Explain that the 2A is an absolute right, just like all the others. Ask them to show any place in the world where removal of civilian gun ownership has benefited the people in the long run. WORK at getting them to change their thinking not only about guns but about all the socialist agenda.

Well, this sounds all very 'idealistic' but do you have a dedicated group of libs you are currently 'working on' to try to 'change their thinking'?

Personally I do not know any libs I am close enough with I would even consider attempting to 'change their thinking'. The few I do know are so far gone into the socialist agenda they are unwilling to even LISTEN to even the most simple conservative concepts.

And lets put the 'shoe on the other foot' - lets say the libs you are trying to 'change their thinking' shift gears and try to change YOUR way of thinking? Are you going to listen to them and let them WORK at getting YOU to change YOUR way of thinking?

I can appreciate your enthusiasm with libs but I think it's largely a waste of time and effort.

Let it go, pursue your own ideals and support the conservative cause.

 

[VinnieBoomBah]

I didn't take anything offensive.

Glad to hear. It can be hard to judge on line and I tend to be overly cautious.

 

[Koda]

Glad to hear. It can be hard to judge on line and I tend to be overly cautious.

a note to remember about me: I like to hear opinions that challenge my personal bias. Those opinions are welcome and never offensive. My "sharp" replies and rebuttles are merely based on brutal honesty, not intended to prove my position. Also many of the discussions here that seem to hit frustrating dead ends, I continue to think about after.

 

[VinnieBoomBah]

a note to remember about me: I like to hear opinions that challenge my personal bias. Those opinions are welcome and never offensive. My "sharp" replies and rebuttles are merely based on brutal honesty, not intended to prove my position. Also many of the discussions here that seem to hit frustrating dead ends, I continue to think about after.

You and me both! But sometimes I think maybe "You and me ONLY!" around here

 

[CamoDeafie]

My kids really have a better chance of dying from drunk drivers, car accidents, medical errors, drug exposure, allergies, simple stupidity (falls and the like), than from being gunned down in a public school. I would rather worry about the tangible, real dangers than from some madman gunning their schools. I am also teaching the elder kid gun safety as best as I can given her autistic, mostly nonverbal nature. There are already proposals, ideas, suggestions on how to make schools hard targets than the easy, soft, gun-free (target rich) environments that they are.

It has been empirically proven in the past that criminals, violent ones particularly.. look for easy targets, and usually avoid areas if it's known to have a lot of armed people.

Otherwise...

Mass shootings and mass murders must happen so often at gun stores, gun shows, hunting access points, and at gun ranges that the news don't talk about them yeah.. nope.[/n].

 

[Longwalkhome]

Well, this sounds all very 'idealistic' but do you have a dedicated group of libs you are currently 'working on' to try to 'change their thinking'?

Personally I do not know any libs I am close enough with I would even consider attempting to 'change their thinking'. The few I do know are so far gone into the socialist agenda they are unwilling to even LISTEN to even the most simple conservative concepts.

And lets put the 'shoe on the other foot' - lets say the libs you are trying to 'change their thinking' shift gears and try to change YOUR way of thinking? Are you going to listen to them and let them WORK at getting YOU to change YOUR way of thinking?

I can appreciate your enthusiasm with libs but I think it's largely a waste of time and effort.

Let it go, pursue your own ideals and support the conservative cause.

Some of the greatest shooting competitions in the world started in kali in the 50s and 60s. Lots of fun for all those who wanted to shoot and in a state that gave us Ronald Reagan.

Today kali isn't gun friendly at all and you even have to have a background check to buy AMMO. What changed?

The politics changed the entire way of life for kali and if folks do an honest comparison you can see Oregon turning into kali. Drugs and homeless on the streets, sky high taxes and cost of living, the destruction of small businesses and a tyrannical government for the last 30 years that can't be voted out.

Dems are not a party you can trust to uphold the constitution, heck covid should have made that crystal clear.

If 114 hasn't made it clear then a person will never learn.

 

[RVTECH]

and in a state that gave us Ronald Reagan.

And here is me on the Airstair of AF1 performing security during Reagan's presidency.

 

[Member 53328]

Circle jerk.

 

[VinnieBoomBah]

Circle jerk.

Loves me some punk!

 

[Longwalkhome]

I think if folks really want to change liberals on this site or anywhere you talk to them , give them the history lessons they never got in school. Along with that give them personal history lessons about everything in life that's important.

If you want better voters then make them smarter.

Greatest Democrat potus in my lifetime was JFK, he was the last true Democrat and he worked for real peace and prosperity for everyone. Dems have lost their way since then, the great Democrat party has turned to socialist Marxist that love wars. The party isn't my grandfather's party or my father's party and I left them decades ago to be an independent voter who votes for the best man.

 

[RX-79G]

lost me again. Im not assuming either subject is a circle or diagram.

You put 'em together.

 

[Member 53328]

Simply because of my own personal beliefs I can't take anything the left says seriously in regards to gun control and "public safety" when they participate and encourage other issues that are just as, if not more damaging to society.

Sorry. Every aspect of gun control hinders the law abiding and has no effect on the criminal. Plain and simple.

Go even further down the rabbit hole with extremely progressive DAs, judges, light sentences, career criminals still walking the street….. yea I'm gunna fight to keep my guns. Cause in the current climate I am the only one who can and will protect my loved ones.

 

[CamoDeafie]

Loves me some punk!

And here's a pyschobilly/rockabilly punk rendition of a similar song

STELLAR CORPSES LYRICS - Leave A Stellar Corpse

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"Leave A Stellar Corpse"
Corpses rise from the grave
And not the kind that stumble in
a drunken daze.
They flood your city streets and
take it over.

Never thought that you could kill,
A human life but soon you will
You'll take your life and live it for
all it's worth
And it we never die, we'll never
be alive.
They say when hell is full the
dead will walk the Earth!

(Whoa-oooh) Live fast, die young,
leave a Stellar Corpse!
(Whoa-oooh) Live fast, die young,
leave a Stellar Corpse!

Choices are yours to make,
About the rules to follow and the
rules to break
Until the day your life is over.

Don't let it pass you by,
Don't be afraid to die.
Some call it death we'll call it our
second birth.
And when we start to rise, see
the fire in our eyes,
And know when hell is full the
dead will walk the Earth.

(Whoa-oooh) Live fast, die young,
leave a Stellar Corpse!

[Solo]

(Whoa-oooh) Live fast, die young,
leave a Stellar Corpse!

 

[RX-79G]

The gun lobby hasnt programmed me to believe in anything. Im not loyal to any lobby or fundraiser. Im well aware that rights can and will be regulated.
"shall not be infringed" is codified in law. My questions still stand unanswered.

I didn't get that there was an actual question. But the limitations on 2A are to be found in SCOTUS rulings, and not in the things people print on bumper stickers.

General rule: You can't summarize a legal concept in 15 words.

 

[Koda]

Sorry. Every aspect of gun control hinders the law abiding and has no effect on the criminal. Plain and simple.

This is why its very hard for me to set aside my personal bias and "listen" to the gun controllers.

empirical evidence their agenda is more than just public safety.

 

[RX-79G]

This is why its very hard for me to set aside my personal bias and "listen" to the gun controllers.

empirical evidence their agenda is more than just public safety.

Why do you believe what 1775 said is empirically true?

 

[CamoDeafie]

kids to not get gunned down in schools,

Well. Let people shoot back at the people shooting at the kids... but before that... if there's already abundance of evidence or signs that someone went off the deep end and is planning to shoot people up... why not lock them up after theyve abused or killed their 2nd, 3rd animal, or stolen a gun or three?

shoppers to come home with lots of nice things and

Nothing we can really do about that except let the economy crash and until we can get more purchasing power with our labor and products than what corporations offers but that has nothing to do with 2A does it.. other than enabling people to defend their wares and livelihoods?

parties to end without ambulances

Culture. It's all about the cultures. Bet you that you'll find a lot of dead Amish youths on rumspringa...... and that's from a decidedly conservative community