National Delta doubles down on NRA position

[tourproto]

Delta CEO sent out a memo regarding the decision to cut ties with the NRA. As I have stated before, I do believe this was a financially driven decision, but this is adding fuel to the fire.

Delta Just Doubled Down on Its Decision to Cut Ties With the NRA

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[cigars]

They claim that they only sold 13 tickets under the NRA discount. The CEO is a politically correct sanctimonious idiot.

 

[4Freedom]

Well, to be honest, Delta is the absolute worst airline I have ever flown, so I actually think they are doing NRA members a favor. I've never done more praying during a flight than when flying on Delta. The pilots are some of the worst I experienced, always making rough and bumpy landing to make half your food regurgitate in your stomach. Not to mention, I hit more turbulence on a 6-7 hour flight from Portland to Atlanta than I did the whole way flying from San Francisco to Accra, Ghana and back again to USA flying on Lufthansa. After flying Lufthansa, I know I would never fly on Delta again. On Lufthansa, I hardly even knew we were taking off or landing, the pilots were so skilled. I was use to flying on Delta where you definitely know when you hit the ground

More strikes against Delta:
1. Unattractive flight attendants.
2. Really awful food
3. Budweiser/Bud Light is the only beer they offer
4. Lots and lots of indirect flights

 

[DB is Here]

Well, to be honest, Delta is the absolute worst airline I have ever flown, so I actually think they are doing NRA members a favor. I've never done more praying during a flight than when flying on Delta. The pilots are some of the worst I experienced, always making rough and bumpy landing to make half your food regurgitate in your stomach. Not to mention, I hit more turbulence on a 6-7 hour flight from Portland to Atlanta than I did the whole way flying from San Francisco to Accra, Ghana and back again to USA flying on Lufthansa. After flying Lufthansa, I know I would never fly on Delta again. On Lufthansa, I hardly even knew we were taking off or landing, the pilots were so skilled. I was use to flying on Delta where you definitely know when you hit the ground

More strikes against Delta:
1. Unattractive flight attendants.
2. Really awful food
3. Budweiser/Bud Light is the only beer they offer
4. Lots and lots of indirect flights

They also Lack "Cowbell"

 

[Norwestr55]

They claim that they only sold 13 tickets under the NRA discount. The CEO is a politically correct sanctimonious idiot.

Its hilarious since in retaliation the Georgia legislature removed a jet fuel tax break from a tax package that they passed yesterday costing Delta 40 million! Over 3 mill for each discount. I can envision some virtue signalling SJW came up with the idea, "look nobody uses it anyway so we won't be losing any money!" He's probably been escorted off the property already.

The number of Delta Air Lines passengers who bought tickets with NRA discount: 13

 

[cigars]

Well, to be honest, Delta is the absolute worst airline I have ever flown, so I actually think they are doing NRA members a favor. I've never done more praying during a flight than when flying on Delta. The pilots are some of the worst I experienced, always making rough and bumpy landing to make half your food regurgitate in your stomach. Not to mention, I hit more turbulence on a 6-7 hour flight from Portland to Atlanta than I did the whole way flying from San Francisco to
Accra, Ghana and back again to USA flying on
Lufthansa. After flying Lufthansa, I know I would never fly on Delta again. On Lufthansa, I hardly even knew we were taking off or landing, the pilots were so skilled. I was use to flying on Delta where you definitely know when you hit the ground

More strikes against Delta:
1. Unattractive flight attendants.
2. Really awful food
3. Budweiser/Bud Light is the only beer they offer
4. Lots and lots of indirect flights

Unfortunately Delta is the only flight out of PDX that goes
to Narita, so I'm kind of stuck with them unless I want to spend more money and fly out of SeaTac or Vancouver. I've only used them domestically once and had no problems. I won't use them domestically going forward.
I do like the Delta Sky Lounge when flying internationally though, so I'm a bit jaded in that respect. But I've never
had any issues with the quality of the flight or flight crews. The employees can't help it that their CEO is a partisan jerkwad.

 

[Ralgha]

The pilots are some of the worst I experienced, always making rough and bumpy landing to make half your food regurgitate in your stomach. Not to mention, I hit more turbulence on a 6-7 hour flight from Portland to Atlanta than I did the whole way flying from San Francisco to Accra, Ghana and back again to USA flying on Lufthansa. After flying Lufthansa, I know I would never fly on Delta again. On Lufthansa, I hardly even knew we were taking off or landing, the pilots were so skilled. I was use to flying on Delta where you definitely know when you hit the ground

I don't even know where to start. You know how you feel when someone is throwing stones at guns while knowing nothing about them? Basically that.

 

[tourproto]

Well, Delta execs certainly have mud on their face after this debacle. I knew they were going to lose a little revenue by cancelling the NRA discount, but I had no idea it would only be 13 tickets. Wow.

However, there is a ding against NRA members who were so incensed by Delta's actions. Apparently, not many NRA members actually took advantage of the discount in the first place. To me it is hypocritical to get angry at Delta when very few people "lost anything" because of their change in position. If gun owners as a group want to punish companies who are anti-2A, they need to be equally supportive of companies that are, and not just pay lip service to them. 13 tickets? Geez, and I have seen hundreds of negative posts about Delta in various forums.

Thou doth protest too much, methinks...

On the flip side, Delta certainly got their money's worth in terms of PR from the anti-gunners, but lost big time on the fuel tax credit. Live and learn...

 

[trainsktg]

Regardless of the reasons for members to not take advantage of membership benefits, I'd wager that there are many tens or hundreds of thousands of NRA members who take Delta flights each year. By firmly placing the NRA in the corner of mass murderers, Delta also places the millions of NRA members into that same corner, and that is where the outrage stems from, and not from the loss of a small discount.

Keith

 

[Goosebrown]

I've never done more praying during a flight than when flying on Delta.

Appropriate to be praying when you're that close to God my son.....

 

[Crohnos01]

To me it is hypocritical to get angry at Delta when very few people "lost anything" because of their change in position.

I am not sure "hypocritical" is the word you are looking for, but regardless you are missing the point. I couldn't give two shakes of a cats tail about Deltas discount with regards to the value of the discount. The message that was sent loud an clear was that Delta agrees with and supports the anti-gun, left-wing, whackos who blame the NRA for the shooting in Florida. The businesses who severed ties with the NRA did so on the heels of a cry from the left to destroy the NRA as if the NRA somehow pulled the trigger in that school. I severed my ties with Delta not because of the monetary value loss of the discount; I severed my ties with Delta because they have in effect stated that the NRA and legal gun owners are somehow affiliated with the psychopath who shot up the Florida school. The sarcastic comment you made about them losing 13 tickets fails to comprehend the number or regular air fare tickets they just lost by this misguided political move.

Let's put it this way; a few years ago, I made the Delta Silver Medallion program in two months time just due to my business travel. You have to fly A LOT OF MILES to get that status in just two months. I am quite certain I am not the only business traveler who will rent a car and drive to my destination before I would fly with these enemies of the second amendment after this jackass move. The financial impact felt by Delta has yet to be revealed, but I am quite certain that those stupid 13 tickets sold at a discount won't even be a blip on their financial graph.... The loss of my and other business travelers regular tickets, paying annual fees for their credit card, etc., are going to have a MUCH bigger impact on their financial statement.

 

[tourproto]

Regardless of the reasons for members to not take advantage of membership benefits, I'd wager that there are many tens or hundreds of thousands of NRA members who take Delta flights each year. By firmly placing the NRA in the corner of mass murderers, Delta also places the millions of NRA members into that same corner, and that is where the outrage stems from, and not from the loss of a small discount.

Keith

That part may very well be true, but when you read all the posts about "Delta sucks", "haven't flown them in years and I definitely won't now" it comes across as petty.

Only a small percentage of the comments I have read were along the lines of: "I was a very loyal Delta flyer because of their pro-2A stance, but will not be flying them if I have a choice in the future".

Those types of comments are what would be damaging to Delta in the long run as true frequent flyers are the lifeblood of an airline, they fly the most and take last minute flights for their jobs that cost 3-5x as much as a discounted fare purchased months in advance.

People who never flew Delta in the first place and proclaiming they wouldn't in the future, big whoop. Delta lost nothing from those people. 2A or not 2A.

As for the NRA taking the bullet for pro-2A folks in the current climate, IMO that's their job and they are proud to do it (I mean this in a very, very good way). They represent not just the 5M members but the 100M+ gun-owning citizens of the US. Because of what they do, they are the lightning rod for all the anti-gunners. And overall, they have done a pretty darn good job over the years.

As to your last point, the vast majority of the anti-gunners are so stupid, they don't realize that the NRA isn't a company and is an association of like-minded people (us) and organizations (gun makers and the like). Somehow they think (again, stupidly) that they can shame or bankrupt the NRA into non-existence by having companies pull their discounts. They can protest all they want, they will never stop the primary sources of funding because those sources love and support the 2A. And furthermore, by throwing rocks at the NRA, they are effectively throwing rocks at their fellow citizens, many of whom are probably their neighbors. Their arguments have no logical foundation and are 100% emotional and that is why they lose and will continue to lose. They may win a few battles here and there, but they will always lose the war.

And I am very disappointed with Delta...

 

[cigars]

Well, Delta execs certainly have mud on their face after this debacle. I knew they were going to lose a little revenue by cancelling the NRA discount, but I had no idea it would only be 13 tickets. Wow.

However, there is a ding against NRA members who were so incensed by Delta's actions. Apparently, not many NRA members actually took advantage of the discount in the first place. To me it is hypocritical to get angry at Delta when very few people "lost anything" because of their change in position. If gun owners as a group want to punish companies who are anti-2A, they need to be equally supportive of companies that are, and not just pay lip service to them. 13 tickets? Geez, and I have seen hundreds of negative posts about Delta in various forums.

Thou doth protest too much, methinks...

On the flip side, Delta certainly got their money's worth in terms of PR from the anti-gunners, but lost big time on the fuel tax credit. Live and learn...

Everything was fine until Delta decided to take a side and make their declaration. No hypocrisy on 2A folks. Now that Delta has informed us of their feeeeeelings, we can choose to take our business elsewhere. Otherwise this thread wouldn't be here.

 

[tourproto]

I am not sure "hypocritical" is the word you are looking for, but regardless you are missing the point. I couldn't give two shakes of a cats tail about Deltas discount with regards to the value of the discount. The message that was sent loud an clear was that Delta agrees with and supports the anti-gun, left-wing, whackos who blame the NRA for the shooting in Florida. The businesses who severed ties with the NRA did so on the heels of a cry from the left to destroy the NRA as if the NRA somehow pulled the trigger in that school. I severed my ties with Delta not because of the monetary value loss of the discount; I severed my ties with Delta because they have in effect stated that the NRA and legal gun owners are somehow affiliated with the psychopath who shot up the Florida school. The sarcastic comment you made about them losing 13 tickets fails to comprehend the number or regular air fare tickets they just lost by this misguided political move.

Let's put it this way; a few years ago, I made the Delta Silver Medallion program in two months time just due to my business travel. You have to fly A LOT OF MILES to get that status in just two months. I am quite certain I am not the only business traveler who will rent a car and drive to my destination before I would fly with these enemies of the second amendment after this jackass move. The financial impact felt by Delta has yet to be revealed, but I am quite certain that those stupid 13 tickets sold at a discount won't even be a blip on their financial graph.... The loss of my and other business travelers regular tickets, paying annual fees for their credit card, etc., are going to have a MUCH bigger impact on their financial statement.

Don't get me wrong. I don't like what Delta did, but in the long run it probably won't amount to a hill of beans. Yes, some people may move from Delta for a while or even in the long run. But if you live in SLC or ATL, guess what, are you really going to inconvenience yourself for a minimum of 2 hours on every trip you take to fly through someone else's hub? You might for a while, but in the long run most will go back.

There was a comment maybe here or on another thread about the long term impact of Target allowing transgendered people to use the bathroom of their choice. The whole Christian right went up in arms. 2 years have gone by and the stock price is doing just fine (I don't own any) and the CEO, Brian Cornell is still there. I'm just saying from a day-to-day life basis, people do what is easy and convenient for them. Delta will probably NOT see a significant drop in revenue. But in the voting booth, I do believe gun-rights advocates have a very long memory and will punish politicians on the wrong side of the fence. I just don't believe most Americans have the willpower to do it on a daily basis and punish the companies that they spend their money with.

 

[Crohnos01]

Perhaps. Perhaps I am not in sync with most Americans. In any event, while I can't control every travel decision (sometimes the company books my flights for me based on miles or excess tickets they have), I can guarantee that I won't willingly send 10 cents into Delta's bank account.

 

[tourproto]

Everything was fine until Delta decided to take a side and make their declaration. No hypocrisy on 2A folks. Now that Delta has informed us of their feeeeeelings, we can choose to take our business elsewhere. Otherwise this thread wouldn't be here.

OK but look at this way. "You" (the pro-2A person) is not going to fly Delta or United anymore because they are "out" about their anti-2A stance. Good for you. Who are you going to spend your money with? American? How do you know they aren't anti-2A as well? They were never "in" the NRA discount program, so doesn't that make them anti-2A? They can do nothing, be totally anti-2A at the exec level (which is why they never joined the NRA discount program) and now "you" are going to give them your money because you hate Delta and United. Hell, American could be worse than Delta or United relative to their corporate political persuasion.

Until some other airline and rental car company joins the NRA discount program, it is impossible to tell if you are spending $$$ with a company that supports your views or not.

Don't get me wrong, Delta and United did take a side. But giving your $$$ to any airline that isn't Delta or United may not be a better decision.

 

[cigars]

OK but look at this way. "You" (the pro-2A person) is not going to fly Delta or United anymore because they are "out" about their anti-2A stance. Good for you. Who are you going to spend your money with? American? How do you know they aren't anti-2A as well? They were never "in" the NRA discount program, so doesn't that make them anti-2A? They can do nothing, be totally anti-2A at the exec level (which is why they never joined the NRA discount program) and now "you" are going to give them your money because you hate Delta and United. Hell, American could be worse than Delta or United relative to their corporate political persuasion.

Until some other airline and rental car company joins the NRA discount program, it is impossible to tell if you are spending $$$ with a company that supports your views or not.

Don't get me wrong, Delta and United did take a side. But giving your $$$ to any airline that isn't Delta or United may not be a better decision.

Your getting out into the weeds with this. As I stated earlier, I will probably still use Delta for my international flights. Just a matter of practicality. If i have to fly domestically, I will shop around. Unless they are the only option then i believe I have other choices. My money is accepted at other airlines I believe.

 

[3MTA3]

I'm one of the people who would not willingly fly Delta. Years ago I was on the road one week a month and my company had an arrangement with Delta. Every other flight as in once a trip they lost my luggage as in 36 times in the three years I had that job there was lost luggage.

I caught them lying about it several times and called them on it. One time on a connecting flight they told me at the gate that since the flight I was on had been delayed I missed my connection and had to wait 5 hours in the terminal for the next flight. When I got to my next and final stop my luggage didn't show up (as usual) so I went to the claim office (they knew me and my baggage on sight) my luggage was waiting there for me. It came on the flight I was told had taken off when I got to the last airport. Since this was the second leg of my return trip I knew my luggage had been on the first leg (your luggage is required by law to be on your flight) that apparently they must have exchanged the luggage somehow in the air.

So then I had to think why they would lie to me - the answer is that if you get bumped from an oversold flight they are required to give me compensation. By lying to me they didn't have to compensate me. Not the first time they screwed me and not the last, but since I left that job you couldn't get me on one of their planes if it was no cost and had free booze and strippers.

On topic to this thread, what Delta does not seem to understand is that they didn't break a relationship with the NRA they broke a relationship with 5,000,000+ potential customers who apparently never even knew of the discount. Like other NRA members I'm pissed that they are de facto blaming me for the actions of a mass murderer. Not only that this is a PR stunt they did to improve the profits by standing on the graves of murdered children and at the expense of their families. If I didn't have a grudge against them before I sure as hell do now. Now I'm going to make damn certain that not one bubbleguming dime of my investments involves Delta or any of their partners. I don't want a penny of their blood money.

 

[Alexx1401]

Perhaps. Perhaps I am not in sync with most Americans. In any event, while I can't control every travel decision (sometimes the company books my flights for me based on miles or excess tickets they have), I can guarantee that I won't willingly send 10 cents into Delta's bank account.

Me too. Have been an NRA member for many decades and had no idea of the discounts offered. Just never paid attention. I did pay attention to this though. Last time I rented a car I had no idea they offered a discount. I will go out of my way and even pay more to not use the places that spit in the face of the NRA. Will it mater to them? Most likely not. Will make me feel better to not give them my money though.

 

[ZigZagZeke]

Don't get me wrong. I don't like what Delta did, but in the long run it probably won't amount to a hill of beans. Yes, some people may move from Delta for a while or even in the long run. But if you live in SLC or ATL, guess what, are you really going to inconvenience yourself for a minimum of 2 hours on every trip you take to fly through someone else's hub? You might for a while, but in the long run most will go back.

There was a comment maybe here or on another thread about the long term impact of Target allowing transgendered people to use the bathroom of their choice. The whole Christian right went up in arms. 2 years have gone by and the stock price is doing just fine (I don't own any) and the CEO, Brian Cornell is still there. I'm just saying from a day-to-day life basis, people do what is easy and convenient for them. Delta will probably NOT see a significant drop in revenue. But in the voting booth, I do believe gun-rights advocates have a very long memory and will punish politicians on the wrong side of the fence. I just don't believe most Americans have the willpower to do it on a daily basis and punish the companies that they spend their money with.

You may be correct in what you say, but companies spend a whole lot of money to promote a positive image of their company in the public view. This is negative advertising. I am now predisposed to avoid Delta, and to avoid spending any money with Delta, or to be associated with them in any way. I now don't want a Delta credit card. I now don't want to be a Delta frequent flyer, and I don't want to join their club. I have a negative image of them now. I may fly with them if it is unavoidable, or really inconvenient not to, but when I have a choice I'm going elsewhere. I'm not concerned about a discount. I'm concerned about doing business with someone who is attempting to shame me, who doesn't like me, and who is trying to injure me.