Again if they had used thier cruisers this would have not gone to the point of life or death. I actually support our LEO's they would be the first place I would volunteer to support in case of a SHTF scenario. The police simply did not use thier tools in this case. At least we know where Freshour is working now.
Can't read can you - at least not what I typed. The police could have deescalated this.
I agree with you. My post purely relates to tactics and then the judicious use of deadly force if applicable. I dislike immensely where our judicial system had gone, but without it there is total anarchy. Sadly, we are approaching this.
Yahtzee!!! Ask, tell, make has been replaced by, pretty, pretty please with honey and sugar on top in far too many cases. There was a video (we may have discussed it here) where a younger officer allows the bad guy faaaaaaar too much freedom, bad guy tries to take officer's gun and then a dumpster fire fluster cluck ensues. Antidotal, but too frequent, sadly, because if an officer says more than a harsh word to someone, they are writing massive reports and under a microscope.
One possible option, but as someone who has been in the passenger seat when the other officer pinned a suspect in (using my door so I was stuck) sometimes being outside but behind cover is better.
I would argue everything within reason...which is a very subjective word. If they let this person leave the parking lot, based on her actions, the public was at significant risk. This is they type of person who driver on the wrong side of the road and kills our families. I would bet the average officer in a mid-sized town, over the course of their career, could have lawfully and justifiably used deadly force dozens of times, yet most never fire their guns.
I am concerned with this becoming a police state - police have a responsibility to uphold the law, not to execute someone because they chose to.. I sure hope your not law enforcement with your logic of shoot all criminals.
I hope you aren't referring to that cop in the video when you say "execution". She refused his lawful commands and then tried to run him over. 100% justified based on what we see there. Circumstances prior to that we don't know. It was her choice to refuse the commands and try to kill the officer.
A police state? Seriously? That'll never happen in Oregon or Washington since the state dictators care more about the criminals than they do their police forces and general law abiding public.
From what I saw on that video, they did not use the resources available to them to box in the suspect and then make the arrest.
Irregardless of where the cop positioned himself, ( I am sure tactics will be discussed and hopefully learning occurs) The perp behind the wheel took being arrested without being perforated off the table when she decided to try and run over the cop. Pretty simple really.
I in no way supported the perps actions but I do hold ourlaw enforcement accountable for thier actions. Think what ever you will. When Leo's are no longer held accountable for thier actions we live in police state.
I agree with you but why give her a choice they could have taken that choice away. Why do you think they have crash bars on the front of a police car.
Imo that is situation dependent. Maybe they were getting out of their car with stop strips and/or hoping to arrest her while she was still parked or? They are making a judgement in real time and I have no idea if training/policies etc say "do not use spike strips", blockade with cars instead" (or whatever). It seems perfectly reasonable to me to approach her and issue commands to "stop", "get out of the car", etc. That's their job to do that. The lady chose to disobey and try to run him over instead of stopping and getting out of the car like they commanded.
Well, we currently live in a criminal state. Congrats!
Yup vs an authoritarian one
Would you stand directly behind or in front of the car?
Jesus Christ... Well, I have wasted enough time for today. Yay you, go criminals, woohoo!
