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CNN - Gun Sales At Record Levels

Discussion in 'General Firearm Discussion' started by 4Freedom, Dec 28, 2011.

  1. 4Freedom

    4Freedom Boise, Idaho Well-Known Member

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    Gun sales at record levels, according to FBI background checks - CNN.com

    I just wanted to say, keep up the good work. *:D

    Despite some nice quotes from the NRA included in the article, it appears the article added in the anti-RKBA sources as well to help appease or scare the simple-minded liberal sheeple. *However, to me, this is my New Years Resolution. *I think another gun in the safe would be a great way to start the New Year.. * The more Americans who own guns, the less bureaucratic scum who can take them from us.. *Anyway, I just love reading articles like these from the major news sources. *

    Of course, to be impartial (yeah right), they had to include a quote from the Brady Bunch:
    *More Americans than ever before own guns.. Can the Brady Buttholes please share any of their sources to backup their fallacious lies! *

    And if this isn't good enough proof, then the Brady's have had their head up their arse too many years:
    And really, how can there be a record sales in guns more than ever before in the history of the country, yet somehow there is less gun owners than ever before??? Seriously, so stupid!


    Hope everyone enjoyed their new guns acquired over the holidays.. Cheers *:gun20:
     
  2. rufus

    rufus State of Jefferson Well-Known Member

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    Good points.

    It is CNN. Their target audience is not exactly the smartest bunch, so these kinds of stories are effective.
     
  3. FarmerTed1971

    FarmerTed1971 Portland, Oregon, United States Well-Known Member

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    I think the general populace of Righties is scared because of the boobs on their side running for president. :)

    But I digress, for whatever reason it's a good thing for us all and I hope a lions share of the firearms being purchased are made right here in the USA supporting American jobs and families. Here's to a better 2012!
     
  4. Blitzkrieg

    Blitzkrieg WA Well-Known Member

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    Show me one real right wing R candidate for prez? No Neo Cons please..
     
  5. mrsafeway

    mrsafeway Auburn Member

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    I think these stores really jumped on the black Friday bandwagon this year. Add in a little bit of fear and BOOM. Sales.
     
  6. drew

    drew OR Well-Known Member

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    The article omitted a photo of the Brady spokesperson.

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  7. PlayboyPenguin

    PlayboyPenguin Pacific Northwest Well-Known Member 2016 Volunteer

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    It is great for the firearms industry that people are buying more guns. Sadly, all studies I have read seem to support the Brady claim that fewer people are owning more guns and that fewer homes actually have a firearm in them. That is why it is so important to try to be more inclusive as a firearms community and try to garner new shooters and not shut out anyone we feel doesn't fit the mold. Sadly, too many gun forums are all too quick to chase off anyone that does not agree with their narrow political beliefs or their personal morals.
     
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  8. 4Freedom

    4Freedom Boise, Idaho Well-Known Member

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    I still cannot believe this.. What studies? Can you show me some references? I agree there is a polarizing element among some people in the RKBA community. I find in Idaho that if you don't like think as they do on every political subject, people will certainly rag on you and try to intimidate you. I've never encountered that sentiment in Oregon, but oh well, no place is perfect. Nonetheless, I cannot believe with record number of gun sales, that less people own guns today.

    I do agree we need to spread the word and help educated more of the citizenry about guns and help persuade more of them to be gun owners in a caring and respectful manner.
     
  9. deen_ad

    deen_ad Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    Last figures I saw (last night) say 47% of homes now own guns, up from 41% a few years ago.
     
  10. PlayboyPenguin

    PlayboyPenguin Pacific Northwest Well-Known Member 2016 Volunteer

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    I saw that study too, all one did was take a limited survey of NRA members and an equal random sampling. Another just used sales records and divided the numbers among the population using the average number of guns owned by the average gun owner. Neither of those are very accurate or scientific. Census records tend to show a different number. The vast majority of homes that used to report owning firearms owned hunting rifles and shotguns. The numbers of households that hunt have drastically fallen in recent decades. The number of people that own firearms for SD has grown, but not at a rate that counters the loss of hunters. I am never sure why gun owners feel so threatened by this.

    There are estimated to be 270 million guns in the US. If you assume most gun owners own 2.3 guns (which those reports suggest) you get about 38% of people who own a gun. Then they do some creative math regarding the number of adults in a home and some other figures and they get the 47% figure. Of course all of this also depends on the assumption that only about 12-15% of all guns in the country are actually documented and it also almost ignores the number of guns that leave service each year.

    I personally own over three dozen guns. I know lots of people that have more guns than me. In fact I hardly know any gun owners on the forums that have only two guns and rifles. That blows their average away right off the bat. If you have ten people and two of them each own ten guns that is an average of two guns per person That does not mean all ten people have guns. Without knowing the number of people that actually own guns you cannot possibly figure an accurate average to even start your equation.
     
  11. oldbrass

    oldbrass WA Active Member

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    The largest growing segment of new gun owners is actually women, up 47% in the past 10 years. and not just the country gals. girls in hi-heels to..Not to say that country gals don`t wear hi-heels now..
     
  12. sadiesassy

    sadiesassy Prescott Active Member

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    That would seem to jive with what I have heard in talking to store owners.
    But it is a small slice of the pie ( My observations vs total population)
    I have seen more women out learning how to shoot a pistol or some other weapon
    Maybe they are making sure their husbands stay out of trouble

    It woul dbe interesting to see the real data

     
  13. BSG 75

    BSG 75 Oregon Well-Known Member

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    OK, I'm going to explain it to you, but don't kill the messenger. I'm always debating the anti-gun nuts on Huffington Post, so I know all of their arguments because I have to refute them. But again, don't kill the messenger.

    They are referring to the General Social Survey conducted by the National Opinion Research Center at the University of Chicago reported earlier this year. It showed the number of households - not individuals, households - that owned a gun was at a 30-year low.

    There has been an increase in households headed by single females (never-married and divorced women) in the past 30 years, and those households tend to have lower levels of gun ownership.

    So the assumption the anti-gun nuts are making is that while gun sales are high, they are being sold to repeat buyers. People who already own guns are doing most of the buying, out of fear of future bans, SHTF, TEOTWAWKI, etc. so the number of gun owners isn't increasing even though the number of guns being sold is increasing. People who already own guns are buying more guns. Look at your purchase history and that of your gun-owning friends, have you all been buying more guns?

    Now, to confuse the issue, a new survey came out from Gallup in October that said self-reported gun ownership is the highest it has been since 1993.

    So it depends on which survey you want to believe. Fair and balanced. I report, you decide.
     
  14. deen_ad

    deen_ad Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    Nothing "fair and balanced" from the Violence Policy Center, EVER!

    I was just at an FFL today, he was working "overtime" to catch up on paperwork, I bought a Kahr PM9. While I waited to pay another person came in to pickup his gun, there were three more waiting to be picked up too. And this was an FFL working out of his house so it's a small operation.
     
  15. sadiesassy

    sadiesassy Prescott Active Member

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    BSG Thank you for your Fair and Balanced aproach
     
  16. BSG 75

    BSG 75 Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Agreed, but the data they used came from an impartial source (the General Social Survey conducted by the National Opinion Research Center at the University of Chicago) NORC at the University of Chicago | Insight for Informed Decisions | NORC.org

    How many of those firearms were for first-time buyers? If they were being transferred by a kitchen table FFL the buyers probably are experienced gun owners. So while many firearms were being sold, there was probably no increase in the number of gun owners.
     
  17. PlayboyPenguin

    PlayboyPenguin Pacific Northwest Well-Known Member 2016 Volunteer

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    That is the point people seem to be missing. There is no way to figure the average guns per person unless you know how many people own guns and these cold call surveys are way too inaccurate and biased. So all those studies are pure speculation. Just think of your neighborhood. Do you really buy the notion that half of the homes have guns in them? Do you believe half the homes in PDX have guns in them? Even in my small home town in WV fewer and fewer people have guns because fewer people hunt each year.
     
  18. deen_ad

    deen_ad Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    Yep, needs to be in the comedy forum!
     
  19. deen_ad

    deen_ad Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    I'm betting that's another "think tank" funded by Soros like a lot of the others are and a big supporter of Obwan.
     
  20. BSG 75

    BSG 75 Oregon Well-Known Member

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    NORC was founded in 1941. George Soros was 11 years old at the time.