Calling ww1 1911 experts

[Tlock]

I had previously talked with @Andy54Hawken about this pistol and he answered alot of my question. Thanks you again Andy......that being said id like to see if anyone else could add any opinions and possible facts. This was purchased from a member here without knowing alot about the history of the firearm. I did have a couple "experts" look at it at the Portland gunshow. I received 2 totally different opinions. I guess my biggest question is was the restamped serial number done by the US government or a private party?



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[Tlock]

Also @the apprentice was also interested in it. So if you have any input it would be greatly appreciated

 

[TTSX]

If you look real close, you can see a German tooth mark in the slide. Kapow!

 

[Tlock]

If you look real close, you can see a German tooth mark in the slide. Kapow!

It came with a bag full of teeth so I already knew that!

 

[TTSX]

It came with a bag full of teeth so I already knew that!

Well, back then everyone had about 7 opposing teeth by adulthood so that's quite the trophy bag!

Did you know they were German because of the sauerkraut?

 

[Tlock]

Well, back then everyone had about 7 opposing teeth by adulthood so that's quite the trophy bag!

Did you know they were German because of the sauerkraut?

I think after all the years its a little over fermented!

 

[spookshack]

You could try asking over at 1911forum or 1911addicts and see if they could shed some more light on your 1911.

 

[Andy54Hawken]

Beautiful 1911 @Tlock
Glad I could help out.
Only real issue I see with it it......
It ain't mine....
Andy

Edit to add....

I think it is a arsenal re-work.
The 1911 and 1911A1 served for a long time.
I carried and used a Remington Rand 1911A1 , made in 1944 , during Desert Shield / Desert Storm.

No new 1911A1 's after 1945...all issued pistols were from that date and earlier.
So you will see many , if not most , issued 1911's and 1911A1's with many interesting features / parts / finishes /etc....
The military did not and does not care for future collectors...they just want the firearm to work.

 

[Stomper]

Beautiful 1911 @Tlock
Glad I could help out.
Only real issue I see with it it......
It ain't mine....
Andy

Edit to add....

I think it is a arsenal re-work.
The 1911 and 1911A1 served for a long time.
I carried and used a Remington Rand 1911A1 , made in 1944 , during Desert Shield / Desert Storm.

No new 1911A1 's after 1945...all issued pistols were from that date and earlier.
So you will see many , if not most , issued 1911's and 1911A1's with many interesting features / parts / finishes /etc....
The military did not and does not care for future collectors...they just want the firearm to work.

I sported a Remie-Rand, too. I also concur with the arsenal re-work conclusion.

 

[Cerberus Group]

That X number range was assigned to Springfield Armory from 1925 - 1953 for rebuilds.

After 1930 there would be initials after the number of the armory that performed the work.

 

[ron]

Do a FOIA request. I did for my CMP 1911A1. Very interesting information received.
If you state you are willing to pay there will be no charge!

CMP M1911A1 FOIA received

Received my Ithaca frame, Rem Rand slide 1911A1 from CMP on 29 April 2021. DEPARTMENT OF THE ARMY USAMC LOGISTICS DATA ANALYSIS CENTER BUILDING 3305, REDEYE ROAD REDSTONE ARSENAL, AL 35898-7466 21 July 2021 This letter is in response to your Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request dated...

www.milsurps.com

FOIA.gov - Freedom of Information Act: How to Make a FOIA Request

www.foia.gov

My Request:
[email protected]

Dear FOIA Team:

I hereby request any and all information found in the Army File of the Department of Defense (DoD) Small Arms/Light Weapons Registry pertaining to M1911A1 Pistol, NSN: 1005-00-726-5655, Serial Number 2628XXX

In accordance with Section 3-6(e) of AR 25-55, I hereby state that I am willing to pay fees associated with processing my FOIA request in an amount of up to US$25.00.

In accordance with Section 3-6(g) of AR 25-55, I provide the following detailed contact information:
Name
Address
Email

There Response:
The following information was found in the Department of Defense (DoD) Small
Arms/Light Weapons Registry for M1911A1, .45mm Automatic Caliber Pistol, NSN:
1005-00-726-5655, Serial Number 2628XXX.
1. 26 November 1987 – Anniston Munitions Center, Anniston, Alabama received the
weapon.
2. 27 February 1999 – Anniston Munitions Center, Anniston, Alabama shipped the
weapon to Army General Supply (Logistics Modernization Program (LMP) Stock
Records), Anniston, Alabama.
3. 27 February 1999 – Army General Supply (Logistics Modernization Program (LMP)
Stock Records), Anniston, Alabama received the weapon from Anniston Munitions
Center, Anniston, Alabama.
4. 08 September 2000, 31 January 2003, 29 January 2004, 23 January 2005, 12
February 2006, 29 January 2007,27 January 2008, 25 January 2009, 24 January
2010, and 06 March 2011 – Army General Supply (Logistics Modernization
Program (LMP) Stock Records), Anniston, Alabama performed reconciliation on the
weapon.
5. 29 April 2011 – Headquarters (HQ) United States Army Tank-Automotive and
Armaments Command (TACOM), Rock Island, Illinois performed multi-field
corrections on the weapon.
6. 29 September 2020 – Army General Supply (Logistics Modernization
Program (LMP) Stock Records), Anniston, Alabama received the weapon from
Headquarters (HQ) United States Army Tank-Automotive and Armaments Command
(TACOM), Rock Island, Illinois.
7. 25 April 2021 – Army General Supply (Logistics Modernization Program (LMP) Stock
Records), Anniston, Alabama performed reconciliation on the weapon.

 

[Stomper]

Do a FOIA request. I did for my CMP 1911A1. Very interesting information received.
If you state you are willing to pay there will be no charge!

CMP M1911A1 FOIA received

Received my Ithaca frame, Rem Rand slide 1911A1 from CMP on 29 April 2021. DEPARTMENT OF THE ARMY USAMC LOGISTICS DATA ANALYSIS CENTER BUILDING 3305, REDEYE ROAD REDSTONE ARSENAL, AL 35898-7466 21 July 2021 This letter is in response to your Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request dated...

www.milsurps.com

FOIA.gov - Freedom of Information Act: How to Make a FOIA Request

www.foia.gov

My Request:
[email protected]

Dear FOIA Team:

I hereby request any and all information found in the Army File of the Department of Defense (DoD) Small Arms/Light Weapons Registry pertaining to M1911A1 Pistol, NSN: 1005-00-726-5655, Serial Number 2628XXX

In accordance with Section 3-6(e) of AR 25-55, I hereby state that I am willing to pay fees associated with processing my FOIA request in an amount of up to US$25.00.

In accordance with Section 3-6(g) of AR 25-55, I provide the following detailed contact information:
Name
Address
Email

There Response:
The following information was found in the Department of Defense (DoD) Small
Arms/Light Weapons Registry for M1911A1, .45mm Automatic Caliber Pistol, NSN:
1005-00-726-5655, Serial Number 2628XXX.
1. 26 November 1987 – Anniston Munitions Center, Anniston, Alabama received the
weapon.
2. 27 February 1999 – Anniston Munitions Center, Anniston, Alabama shipped the
weapon to Army General Supply (Logistics Modernization Program (LMP) Stock
Records), Anniston, Alabama.
3. 27 February 1999 – Army General Supply (Logistics Modernization Program (LMP)
Stock Records), Anniston, Alabama received the weapon from Anniston Munitions
Center, Anniston, Alabama.
4. 08 September 2000, 31 January 2003, 29 January 2004, 23 January 2005, 12
February 2006, 29 January 2007,27 January 2008, 25 January 2009, 24 January
2010, and 06 March 2011 – Army General Supply (Logistics Modernization
Program (LMP) Stock Records), Anniston, Alabama performed reconciliation on the
weapon.
5. 29 April 2011 – Headquarters (HQ) United States Army Tank-Automotive and
Armaments Command (TACOM), Rock Island, Illinois performed multi-field
corrections on the weapon.
6. 29 September 2020 – Army General Supply (Logistics Modernization
Program (LMP) Stock Records), Anniston, Alabama received the weapon from
Headquarters (HQ) United States Army Tank-Automotive and Armaments Command
(TACOM), Rock Island, Illinois.
7. 25 April 2021 – Army General Supply (Logistics Modernization Program (LMP) Stock
Records), Anniston, Alabama performed reconciliation on the weapon.

Amazing.... your 1911A1 spent over 33 years of its existence "out of service" stored in a rack or "massaged" on a workbench before you got it!

 

[Tlock]

You could try asking over at 1911forum or 1911addicts and see if they could shed some more light on your 1911.

So far 1911 addicts isn't panning out. Ive been told its a bubby job and its illegal to redo serial numbers. We will see what other responses I get, could be interesting

 

[orygun]

So far 1911 addicts isn't panning out. Ive been told its a bubby job and its illegal to redo serial numbers. We will see what other responses I get, could be interesting

Oh, geeze...

I've seen arsenal reworks with serial number restamps like that. Nothing I would worry about.

 

[Tlock]

View: https://youtu.be/pZAqx-QG4vU?si=cOI2dIS2RyKzVOLv


Neat video....seems like my frame is pretty rare. Less than 22k made

 

[Cerberus Group]

So far 1911 addicts isn't panning out. Ive been told its a bubby job and its illegal to redo serial numbers. We will see what other responses I get, could be interesting

I posted what you asked...what other info you want?

 

[Tlock]

I posted what you asked...what orher info you want?

Can you tell if has original stocks?

 

[orygun]

@Tlock ^^^ That's the guy to talk to.

 

[Cerberus Group]

The inspection mark EEC

Ed Chapman 8/1918 - 6/1919

Remington Arms - UMC pistols

Serial nos. 1-21676

 

[Tlock]

The inspection mark EEC

Ed Chapman 8/1918 - 6/1919

Remington Arms - UMC pistols

Serial nos. 1-21676

Mine looks like a 3 digit serial number but I just cant make it out 885?