Northwest Buying guns in Washington…

[Tacoshop]

Are Oregonians going to be able to buy firearms in Washington after December 8th? Does 114 keep lawful gun owners from being able to even purchase out of state firearms?
Thanks Nicole

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[solv3nt]

With your permit to purchase.

 

[Alexx1401]

Are Oregonians going to be able to buy firearms in Washington after December 8th? Does 114 keep lawful gun owners from being able to even purchase out of state firearms?
Thanks Nicole

ALL FFL's have to follow not only the laws the Feds put on them but also the laws of the state the buyer is a resident of. So if you walk into an FFL in another state and show them you are a resident of OR, the FFL has to follow the laws of the state you reside in.

 

[Librarian]

ALL FFL's have to follow not only the laws the Feds put on them but also the laws of the state the buyer is a resident of. So if you walk into an FFL in another state and show them you are a resident of OR, the FFL has to follow the laws of the state you reside in.

Right - see the relatively unknown Federal law 18 USC 922 (a)(3) and (a)(5), law since 1968.

For long guns, a person may buy a gun at an FFL if the laws of his/her state of residence, the laws of the state of the FFL, and if a private seller, the laws of the seller's state of residence all permit it. An out of Oregon FFL may believe that OR law would require the permit-to-purchase, and choose not to sell to OR residents.

For handgun purchases, the handgun must be sent to an FFL in the state of residence of the buyer; if that's OR, will need the PTP.

 

[GDragich]

And by about January there will be very, very few FFL options in Oregon I'm betting for your transfer from WA or an online purchase

 

[_Will_]

I tried getting stripped lowers transferred at FFLs in Vancouver. I was told bolt actions and shotguns only. Stripped AR lowers are a NO GO due to WA 1639 assault weapons law in 2019, which prohibits out of state residents from purchasing a semi automatic in WA.

 

[Alexx1401]

Right - see the relatively unknown Federal law 18 USC 922 (a)(3) and (a)(5), law since 1968.

For long guns, a person may buy a gun at an FFL if the laws of his/her state of residence, the laws of the state of the FFL, and if a private seller, the laws of the seller's state of residence all permit it. An out of Oregon FFL may believe that OR law would require the permit-to-purchase, and choose not to sell to OR residents.

For handgun purchases, the handgun must be sent to an FFL in the state of residence of the buyer; if that's OR, will need the PTP.

Not an FFL holder but there has been a LOT of grumbling from people trying to go between WA and OR as both states keep passing new gun laws. Then people in one state or the other wanting to go to the next and not have to deal with the new laws the voters (along with many gun owners) put on them. When the FFL's say no there is a lot of people angry at the wrong person. Many FFL's are not lawyers, did not stay in a Holiday Inn, and do not want to become legal "experts" so they just play it safe. When voters in WA made a Ruger 10/22 an "assault weapon" with new special restrictions some WA people thought they would just go to OR and buy one and walk out the door. When told no they got all angry as its legal to buy a long gun in another state. The FFL in OR did not want to mess with the WA AG as he has unlimited money to make their life hard if he chooses. So now its going the other way. There is going to be a lot of people from OR want to come to WA to get around the new laws put in there. A lot of FFL's here are not going to play and again people will be angry at the wrong person.

 

[User 1234]

I tried getting stripped lowers transferred at FFLs in Vancouver. I was told bolt actions and shotguns only. Stripped AR lowers are a NO GO due to WA 1639 assault weapons law in 2019, which prohibits out of state residents from purchasing a semi automatic in WA.

It is not 1639 that blocked you, it was federal law. 1639 does not affect receivers or frames. Federal law requires FFLs to only deliver pistols and frames to buyers who are residents of the state in which the FFL sits.

 

[Alexx1401]

It is not 1639 that blocked you, it was federal law. 1639 does not affect receivers or frames. Federal law requires FFLs to only deliver pistols and frames to buyers who are residents of the state in which the FFL sits.

This gets hard to follow with all the changes in both states but, I know hand guns are restricted by Fed law. Stripped lowers were always sold as "other" on the paper work. Were anything sold as "other" also only by residents in the state they lived?
Then to add even more confusion I remember someone, I think it was Sporting Systems, saying a while back they were changing something to do with the way "other" was done too. Can't remember if he was saying it was just in WA they were doing it or it was Fed. Kind of feel bad for the damn FFL's trying to keep up with all this since some AG's are always ready to pounce on one if they make a damn mistake

 

[_Will_]

It is not 1639 that blocked you, it was federal law. 1639 does not affect receivers or frames. Federal law requires FFLs to only deliver pistols and frames to buyers who are residents of the state in which the FFL sits.

It's both actually. 1639 specifically mentions out of state residents from outside of WA aren't allowed to purchase semi autos.

"Does Initiative 1639 prohibit a federal firearms licensee (FFL) in Washington from transferring a semiautomatic assault rifle to an FFL in another state for its sale to a non-Washington resident?[/H2]
No. Initiative 1639's amendment to RCW 9.41.124 prevents Washington FFLs from selling semiautomatic assault rifles directly to residents of another state. But nothing in the Initiative prohibits an FFL from transferring a semiautomatic assault rifle to an FFL in a different state, consistent with federal law—a practice long utilized for interstate sales of pistols and other types of firearms. For guidance on the rules and procedures governing interstate FFL-to-FFL firearm transfers, licensed firearm dealers should contact the Seattle Field Division of the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms at (206) 204-3205 or [email protected]."

 

[User 1234]

It's both actually. 1639 specifically mentions out of state residents from outside of WA aren't allowed to purchase semi autos.

"Does Initiative 1639 prohibit a federal firearms licensee (FFL) in Washington from transferring a semiautomatic assault rifle to an FFL in another state for its sale to a non-Washington resident?[/H2]
No. Initiative 1639's amendment to RCW 9.41.124 prevents Washington FFLs from selling semiautomatic assault rifles directly to residents of another state. But nothing in the Initiative prohibits an FFL from transferring a semiautomatic assault rifle to an FFL in a different state, consistent with federal law—a practice long utilized for interstate sales of pistols and other types of firearms. For guidance on the rules and procedures governing interstate FFL-to-FFL firearm transfers, licensed firearm dealers should contact the Seattle Field Division of the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms at (206) 204-3205 or [email protected]."

Nope. 1639 applies to semi automatic rifles. A lower receiver is not a rifle. A lower receiver by itself is not semi automatic.

 

[Alexx1401]

Nope. 1639 applies to semi automatic rifles. A lower receiver is not a rifle. A lower receiver by itself is not semi automatic.

The lowers were always sold as "other". Since someone could make either a hand gun or a long gun out of them. Is "other" treated like a hand gun by the Feds?

 

[_Will_]

Nope. 1639 applies to semi automatic rifles. A lower receiver is not a rifle. A lower receiver by itself is not semi automatic.

Ok you win. Either way, us Oregonian's are phucked..

 

[Alexx1401]

Ok you win. Either way, us Oregonian's are phucked..

Hey if it makes it any better you can bet the same kind of laws will soon be here in WA too since voters said yet again they want more.

 

[_Will_]

Hey if it makes it any better you can bet the same kind of laws will soon be here in WA too since voters said yet again they want more.

PNW voters are the same type of people that finance a car and biiiitcchhh and moan about the interest over the life of the loan. lol