Oregon Background checks deliberately stalled?

[arakboss]

At bimart I would be at the beginning of a long wait.

At Tigard Pawn I am picking up my item today and filling out another 4473 which will make for another item to pick up by next weekend. Tomorrow will be another 4473, rinse and repeat.

 

[CLT65]

As per the title of the thread, I have to think that these extreme delays are indeed to some degree intentional. Their precious gun control law is legally delayed, so any approvals now they see as loopholes, people getting around the law before it's implemented.

Yes I know volume is up, but is it up that much even in the last month? A month ago they estimated six weeks, and yesterday they said ten weeks. I'd have a hard time believing that there's not some bureaucratic foot-dragging going on here.

 

[solv3nt]

As per the title of the thread, I have to think that these extreme delays are indeed to some degree intentional. Their precious gun control law is legally delayed, so any approvals now they see as loopholes, people getting around the law before it's implemented.

Yes I know volume is up, but is it up that much even in the last month? A month ago they estimated six weeks, and yesterday they said ten weeks. I'd have a hard time believing that there's not some bureaucratic foot-dragging going on here.

Yes, they're most definitely slow dancing.

 

[oremike]

As per the title of the thread, I have to think that these extreme delays are indeed to some degree intentional. Their precious gun control law is legally delayed, so any approvals now they see as loopholes, people getting around the law before it's implemented.

Yes I know volume is up, but is it up that much even in the last month? A month ago they estimated six weeks, and yesterday they said ten weeks. I'd have a hard time believing that there's not some bureaucratic foot-dragging going on here.

Life is too short for me to worry about the whys, I file it under it just is. In the bigger picture it gives me an opportunity to practice patience, something I'm not particularlly good at.

 

[CLT65]

Yeah, honestly it's no big deal waiting for what I bought. I already have more than I need and just bought it on a whim. They told me I could get a refund any time I wanted before taking possession, so it wouldn't bother me to just cancel it. They must get that question a lot because I didn't even ask.

To me it's not about the gun I bought. I don't particularly care whether I get it tomorrow, some time this summer, or never. It's the principle of it, the sleazy politics, that irritates me.

 

[Bam]

I bought a 10mm today and my check was instant.

The other customers looked at me as WTF as I got to walk out of the store with mine, but I suppose having a unique name has always helped more than anything.

 

[Artilleryman]

How would those on the left cope with being required to wait weeks or months before being allowed to exercise freedom of speech or to "mostly peaceful" assembly , or if arrested, have an excessive waiting period to exercise the right to remain silent.. etc

 

[bolus]

Wow that's nuts. Gotta get GOA or one of the other big 2A groups to get that overturned.

Nah, they dont care about us. It took years after the supreme court ruled tasers were legal for Hawaii to get around to passing a law making them legal to have at home.

But that goes both ways. The politicians in Honolulu ignore the supreme court and we ignore the politicians. I know police officers who convert AR15's to select fire (yes that kind) and sell them to the locals. Those are sure as heck not registered. The local gun store bypasses the mag restrictions by putting "these mags are for rifles only" on the high capacity handgun mags and the police knows he sells them. People say "I registered the 22 lr with the police, I didnt register the nice stuff." There are hundreds of thousands of firearms that are not registered. There are a huge number of unpermitted buildings here that even the banks ignore it when doing mortgages.

Its kind of like if there was a HOA in the two cities over. You wont not give a poop what they thought you should do to your lawn.

I'd love to see the look on the faces of the North Korean military if they tried to invade.

 

[SonicBlue03]

I bought a 10mm today and my check was instant.

The other customers looked at me as WTF as I got to walk out of the store with mine, but I suppose having a unique name has always helped more than anything.

We're they stunned that you were in and out so quickly or were they just in silent awe that someone would brazenly purchase a JXP 10mm without wearing a wig and a mask?

 

[Bam]

We're they stunned that you were in and out so quickly or were they just in silent awe that someone would brazenly purchase a JXP 10mm without wearing a wig and a mask?

I wouldn't waste my time with a shop ghetto enough to sell hipoints.

I really wanted a P220 or a 1911 based 10mm, but had to settle for this



May have to go back and get that P226 X5 since i don't have to wait like everyone else.

 

[Mark_Dorman]

It's not just the form, it's when they type it into the computer. I've been told (trust but verify) by numerous FFLs that if you get an instant, assuming everything is typed in correctly, you'll always get an instant.

Beyond that, I'm not sure what dictates who gets an instant. My recent discovery is that if they just my middle initial as shown on my ODL, as opposed to my FFL middle name, I get an instant.

Well I got another instant today. The guy who was entering my info was the same one that did it last time. I guess because I'm multiracial (White & Asian) last time he entered both. This time he said he tried it with just Asian as my ethnicity and it went through. So I guess in some sense it was how the info was entered even though it was all correct technically. I'm assuming my first couple were also entered with just one ethnicity. Anyways, it might not be applicable to many here, but if anyone does have a similar circumstance, maybe go with just entering your "minority" ethnicity.

 

[Mark_Dorman]

I wouldn't waste my time with a shop ghetto enough to sell hipoints.

I really wanted a P220 or a 1911 based 10mm, but had to settle for this

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May have to go back and get that P226 X5 since i don't have to wait like everyone else.

That a nice pickup. I asked my shop today about 1911's and they didn't find any available either.

Oooh, I just picked up my P226 last month and I love it. I've shot a lot of them in the past but so happy I managed to get ahold of one.

 

[pdx210]

That would be Federal ruling. No need to blame the seller.

A search of " 30 days 4473 " brought up this-

How long is a NICS check valid? | Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives

A NICS check is valid for 30 calendar days, for use in a single transaction. The 30-calendar day period is counted beginning on the day after NICS was initially contacted. Where more than 30 calendar days have passed since the licensee first contacted NICS, the licensee must initiate a new NICS...

www.atf.gov

"A NICS check is valid for 30 calendar days for any transaction. The 30 calendar day period is counted beginning on the day after NICS was initially contacted.

Where more than 30 calendar days have passed since the licensee first contacted NICS, the licensee must initiate a new NICS check prior to transferring the firearm. It is not necessary to complete a new ATF Form 4473, but the results of the new NICS background check must be recorded on the form.

Example 1

A NICS check is initiated on May 15. The licensee receives a "proceed" from NICS. The transferee does not return to pick up the firearm until June 22 of the same year."

The licensee must conduct another NICS check before transferring the firearm to the transferee."

Not exactly you FFL knows the system; they can call and extend it. I ordered my gun last week of November didn't clear until the last week of January my FFL didn't have to resubmit he did have to spend 5 minutes per background check to do this.

I heard horror stories of FFL's sending guns back and such

 

[CLT65]

I was informed today that OSP is NOT intentionally delaying background checks. The delay is due to the overwhelming number of transfers, and to a lesser degree adequate trained staffing to perform the checks. Apparently they've spent a significant amount on overtime, as well as hiring and training.

This was from a trustworthy source who is very familiar with the OSP BGC process and people involved.

 

[TheSyndicate]

I was informed today that OSP is NOT intentionally delaying background checks. The delay is due to the overwhelming number of transfers, and to a lesser degree adequate trained staffing to perform the checks. Apparently they've spent a significant amount on overtime, as well as hiring and training.

This was from a trustworthy source who is very familiar with the OSP BGC process and people involved.

I got a bridge in north Portland to sell ya.

 

[CLT65]

I was sceptical too, but this came from a long-time friend, someone I trust completely.

 

[Flymph]

I was sceptical too, but this came from a long-time friend, someone I trust completely.

Let me guess, a bunch of the staff had left recently leaving a bunch of new hires to train?

Just sayin'... a lot of those guys make diddly and only have benefits to be grateful for.

 

[solv3nt]

Let me guess, a bunch of the staff had left recently leaving a bunch of new hires to train?

Just sayin'... a lot of those guys make diddly and only have benefits to be grateful for.

I'll bet that it's a $40k+ job with government bennies.

 

[Danall]

I was informed today that OSP is NOT intentionally delaying background checks. The delay is due to the overwhelming number of transfers, and to a lesser degree adequate trained staffing to perform the checks. Apparently they've spent a significant amount on overtime, as well as hiring and training.

This was from a trustworthy source who is very familiar with the OSP BGC process and people involved.

I don't buy that for one second. Yup there has been an increase in background check requests, but that should not dramatically slow down the process.
Also in terms of staffing: in 2021 they were funded for a substantial increase in staffing

They had increased funding for 17 additional positions in 2021 (in addition to the 30 permanent staff) (from their 2021 annual report)

The Oregon Legislature authorized 17 positions to include 12 - limited duration PSR4's to complete background checks; 4 – limited duration Office Specialists to conduct research on delayed/pended transfer requests; 1 – limited duration Support Services Supervisor III shift supervisor to support the increased staff positions

Unless it takes over a year to train someone?? this whole hiring and training excuse has been used since 2021. Unless they simply can't keep anyone due to bad management.

 

[ilikegunspdx]

Reading between the lines from what I have observed (fwiw) it seems to me that there are three time periods that offer context possibly to what is going on.

Time period #1 Before m114 was passed

A) regular pace for OR background checks was 25k per month (excluding spikes like before/after major elections).

Time period #2 m114 passed and idiots in state government said it will start immediately, despite no system set up

A) when m114 was approved the number of applicants jumped to 125k-140kish per month (according to Maxine Bernstein reports)

B) it seems to me that OSP made a major shift to the new permit m114 process (before the injunction I mean) and tried to do a crash course to get it set up. If I recall correctly ffls cannot instigate a background check under the new m114 rules, it has to be Leo only (I mean if m114 was in effect). So that is a massive change that they tried to gear up to do.

C) along with this they had to take on the new 125k plus backlog before m114 takes effect. Reports of pulling OSP officers off the roads to help with the backlog.

Time period #3 Harney county injunction is in effect

A) OSP had to switch gears again and had to go back to the old procedure.

So it seems to me right now they are kind of in limbo-land. They have to continue with the backlog but are no longer pulling officers (I assume) to deal with what they thought was a temporary pre-114 backlog they could get out of the way before the new m114 process started. My guess is some staff are also working on the new m114 procedure even though it is enjoined. We know they hired one full time manager to implement the new m114 stuff and at least that person is presumably still working on it (this is an assumption).

It does seem to me the pace was at a standstill almost when they were gearing up for the new process. Now things have sped up compared to that short time of almost no movement at all. But they still have the backlog plus all the new transfers after that initial 125-140k backlog.

Just what I have observed fwiw. It seems to me that if some brave ffls had not instituted the 3/5 day transfer people woudl be a lot more pissed than they are. Note I'm not defending OSP here, just passing along my opinion based on what I've observed. Could be wrong of course.

I think what would help a lot would be if OSP were transparent about what they are doing. If they let people know what is going on openly and clearly that woudl help a lot. But they don't do that unfortunately, which leaves us all guessing.