Oregon Background checks deliberately stalled?

[Danall]

After further review i can't tell from the data if the above chart refers to background checks submitted or completed per day....the reports are not that clear....sorry about that.....but in 2020 they completed roughly 418,000....so thats roughly over 1000 per day.

 

[solv3nt]

After further review i can't tell from the data if the above chart refers to background checks submitted or completed per day....the reports are not that clear....sorry about that.....but in 2020 they completed roughly 418,000....so thats roughly over 1000 per day.

Ya, based on the numbers reported here (I know it's a small sample size), it would appear there's some stalling going on.

 

[Pandaz3]

Also, I don't get how they are getting around the 30-day thing with regard to the NICS check... If not completed after 30 days, it is invalid and is supposed to be started over.

When I am eventually approved the LGS will call, I will need to go in and they will attach my new form 4473 with the old approval number and phone it in for a "Instant" approval, I pay my fee's and take my guns (Rifle that was mine on consignment .325 WSM is not that popular, and a used XDM40 handgun)

 

[wingspar]

You should be getting it soon. I filled out on 11/26 and picked mine up tues. Think it was. they are working in order by date submitted. I thought I would never get mine sinc emovemnt was like 50 a day

Actually, I was going from memory on that 11/28 date, but when I talked to the FFL yesterday, I asked him when I filled out 4473 and it turns out my memory isn't very good. I actually filled out the 4473 on December 5. If my figures are close, I should be approved by 01/16. Another 10 days which would make it a total of 42 days for something that normally only takes a few minutes. This is just plain political bull stuff.

 

[jimw234]

To keep it simple, the national NICS BGC system that MOST states use directly return approximately 90 percent of background checks Instantly, and approximately 98 percent within 3 days. Oregon in 2020 processed only 19 percent in 0-3 days, and had 41 percent processed in 121 to 365 days. Big diff huh? How can this be?? Oregon has created its own State so-called "Instant" check system, that significantly delays the process. That's really it in nutshell, if you like more info read on.


Oregon is one of a few states that set itself as a full POC state. The State is the Point of Contact (POC) and a FFL contacts the State for the background check rather than directly contact the NICS Section. Oregon in loving to create/maintain its own inefficient bureaucracies sets itself up as the department managing (or perhaps "mismanaging"?) the background checks. In most states the FFL contacts the NCIS directly, with no direct State involvement.


NCIS
NICS system was designed to instantly respond to NICS background check inquiries, submitted by FFLs, of prospective firearm transferees. In most States the FFLs contact the NICS Section directly to initiate the required NICS background checks using NICS E-Check via the Internet or the NCCC (NCIS's contracted call center)-via telephone. There are 37 States that have FFLs contact NCIS directly.

How well does it work?
Well, The U.S. Attorney General requested the NICS Section strive to maintain a 90 percent rate of immediate determinations. (Source 2020-21 NCIS Operational Report)
Here's the important part
In 2019, 89.44% of the tens of millions NICS checks done annually are completed immediately, just over 10% of NICS checks are "delayed."
• The vast majority (88%) of delayed NICS checks are resolved within three business days and 94% within 10 days. ( Data from 2021 report by National Shooting Sports Foundation NSSF)
So if you do the percentage math, approximately 98 percent get processed within 3 days.

So lets contrast that with Oregon's latest data from their own 2020 report, only 11 percent made it thu in 0-3 days and a whopping 41 percent took 121-365 days. They do show a 5 year average of 38 percent making it thru in 0-3 days. That is a far cry from the NCIS nationwide averages of well over 90 percent in 3 days. Oregon has chosen to "roll their own with their own process that is horribly inefficient and is a far cry from an Instant check. They seem to recognize that their system is significantly constrained by its own internal screens/or processes by the following statement from OSPs FICS report "While the majority of web requests require FICS staff to review and complete the check, some checks can be completed automatically without the need for staff assistance, under the right circumstances." This clearly shows that with the sideboards they have set up the expectation is that relatively few (some?) will be able to process automatically thru the State so called "Instant" process. That is directly opposed to the expectation (and results) the US Attorney General has for the FBI's NCIS system (90 percent Instant). The great majority of BGC's processed by Oregons FCIS division do not process in 3 days, the national NCIS systems processes 98 percent in 0-3 days

I don't know if that disparity is a result of system design, incompetence, or poor State criminal databases that need manual processing or are not feeding data to the NCIS system.. The OCP FCIS system does access the FBI's NCIS databases. It is apparently the processing at the State level and State databases that incur the delays.

The State must be concerned that legally there could be hundreds of thousands of firearms transferred annually legally to Oregon purchasers due to the State's inefficient system that keeps the large majority of checks from clearing in 3 days. That would be a PR disaster for the OSP FCIS division, thankfully (for the State) most of the gun dealers have been buffaloed into not releasing firearms. They must the fear that the gun dealers revolt against the ineffectual State system and legally release firearms meanwhile mounting a PR campaign of their own. putting the onus on the OCP FCIS system for being grossly inefficient and lax in effectively processing background checks. But the State has thrown themselves a lifeline, salvation is found in the OR114 legislation that removes that 3 day provision and essentially rewards the horrendously inefficient State background check system.

With the current glacial slowdown of BGC processing, The OSP FCIS division has shown a willingness to delay and obstruct the processing of background checks. They have created a system specifically to facilitate that. Keep in mind if the 114 goes into effect they will have two chances to really delay your purchase, 1) BGC needed for purchase permit, and 2)BGC needed at the time of intended gun purchase, and there is no time constraint. Also 114 nicely creates a whole new level of bureaucracy, that of the local law enforcement entity, so now you have 3 layers that have to be navigated;
Local, State, and Federal. And then of course 114 creates this whole new permit bureaucracy to suck up even more personnel and tax $$.

Frankly not only is 114 potentially unconstitutional, I also believe the current Oregon system is also, due to its apparent intentional or at least inability to process BGCs as congress intended. It is nothing less than an undue restriction of the 2nd​ amendment. There is a remedy, simply allow FFLs to directly interface with the NCIS system avoid the State roadblock of needless redundancy.

'Frankly not only is 114 potentially unconstitutional' There is no potentially unconstitutional in Measure 114, it is wholly and with out a doubt unconstitutional.

 

[TTSX]

You are correct, the proof is in the annual published reports by OSP FICS.
I'll see if i can upload a clip here of the chart

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I'm not sure that means anything without 2022 data. 2020 was an unusually high year due to the lockdowns and it tapered off in 2021, so unless 2022 happens to be around 2019 levels, I wouldn't say that chart proves anything except that guns were purchased

 

[Danall]

I'm not sure that means anything without 2022 data. 2020 was an unusually high year due to the lockdowns and it tapered off in 2021, so unless 2022 happens to be around 2019 levels, I wouldn't say that chart proves anything except that guns were purchased

I think you totally missed the point, yup 2020 had a high number and what that shows is the capacity in 2020 to process over 400,000 BGCs. That is the point!!!!....since then they have had increased funding for personnel, the quote below is from their 2021 report

In response to the background check backlog created by unprecedented firearm transfer requests during the COVID-19 pandemic, election, and civil unrest, the Oregon State Police sought permission to increase staff positions. The Oregon Legislature authorized 17 positions to include 12 - limited duration PSR4's to complete background checks; 4 – limited duration Office Specialists to conduct research on delayed/pended transfer requests; 1 – limited duration Support Services Supervisor III shift supervisor to support the increased staff positions. Recruitment was in progress as of November 2021.

That means they have funding for a significant increase in personnel and should be able to process well in excess of what was done in 2020, which averaged over 1000 per day. I can't give you 2022 data because the report is not out yet, i can tell you that the current slow rate of processing is well below their own historical levels.

 

[TTSX]

I think you totally missed the point, yup 2020 had a high number and what that shows is the capacity in 2020 to process over 400,000 BGCs. That is the point!!!!....since then they have had increased funding for personnel, the quote below is from their 2021 report

That means they have funding for a significant increase in personnel and should be able to process well in excess of what was done in 2020, which averaged over 1000 per day. I can't give you 2022 data because the report is not out yet, i can tell you that the current slow rate of processing is well below their own historical levels.

Unless you know for a fact they're processing less, you're just making things up. I see no hard proof of anything.

 

[Member 5605]

So…. Mathematically speaking….

If they were capable of 1,000 per day and you get 500 new requests per day….

+500
-1000
= -500 reduction per day with influx of 1000.

If: 43,000 in queue….
Then:
43,000/500 = 86 days to clear queue barring additional surges over +500 per day…

2 days per 1,000 in queue if only + 500 additional per day.

Now we assume +750 per day and processing is 1,000 per day gives us a net loss of -250 from overall number.

If -250 then 43,000/250 = 172 days to clear queue to manageable number.

Now let's say 850 processing due to volume and staff restrictions…. That's getting worse for the end consumer…

Reminds me of the .22LR debacle debate.

 

[solv3nt]

So…. Mathematically speaking….

If they were capable of 1,000 per day and you get 500 new requests per day….

+500
-1000
= -500 reduction per day with influx of 1000.

If: 43,000 in queue….
Then:
43,000/500 = 86 days to clear queue barring additional surges over +500 per day…

2 days per 1,000 in queue if only + 500 additional per day.

Now we assume +750 per day and processing is 1,000 per day gives us a net loss of -250 from overall number.

If -250 then 43,000/250 = 172 days to clear queue to manageable number.

Now let's say 850 processing due to volume and staff restrictions…. That's getting worse for the end consumer…

Reminds me of the .22LR debacle debate.

You're double subtracting. If you're in the que, and the line is moving at the rate of 1k per day, or doesn't matter if 500 more ppl are joining the line behind you; you're still moving forward at a rate of 1k per day.

 

[Danall]

Unless you know for a fact they're processing less, you're just making things up. I see no hard proof of anything.

Dunno where you get off on accusing me of making things up, I don't need to prove squat to you.

I have posted info direct from the published OSP FICS reports, from those you can see the annual production and processing of BGCs. They also show the percent of "instant" processed. They also show the average daily BGCs...that's not made up.
A number of posters here have shown how fast their numbers are proceeding thru the process. I have not "made that up" either....or perhaps all those folks are lying? Do some basic math (assuming that is not beyond your ability) and you will see at the past slow rates reported it would have taken many years for OSP to process the 2020 or 2021 demands yet they show all completed within a year.

 

[Jay Walk]

What's the count?

 

[TTSX]

Dunno where you get off on accusing me of making things up, I don't need to prove squat to you.

I have posted info direct from the published OSP FICS reports, from those you can see the annual production and processing of BGCs. They also show the percent of "instant" processed. They also show the average daily BGCs...that's not made up.
A number of posters here have shown how fast their numbers are proceeding thru the process. I have not "made that up" either....or perhaps all those folks are lying? Do some basic math (assuming that is not beyond your ability) and you will see at the past slow rates reported it would have taken many years for OSP to process the 2020 or 2021 demands yet they show all completed within a year.

Respectfully, I don't buy your theory without hard proof and for that we need as of yet unavailable 2022 data. I'm sorry you feel like getting angry over this

 

[Member 5605]

You're double subtracting. If you're in the que, and the line is moving at the rate of 1k per day, or doesn't matter if 500 more ppl are joining the line behind you; you're still moving forward at a rate of 1k per day.

lol, yeah and if all the people in China lined up from youngest to oldest and started marching in the line towards the ocean with oldest first..

the line would never end.

...and I have time to kill too, waiting on the eForms website to upload my trust documents...

 

[solv3nt]

lol, yeah and if all the people in China lined up from youngest to oldest and started marching in the line towards the ocean with oldest first..

the line would never end.

...and I have time to kill too, waiting on the eForms website to upload my trust documents...

Just saying..... 1k is best, but I'm pretty sure they're slow walking, and that has nothing to do with new daily checks.

 

[Bobbygun]

I have a minor in applied mathematics, and I can definitively say if they don't reach their goal of processing one background check per day, they will never clear the backlog.

 

[solv3nt]

I have a minor in applied mathematics, and I can definitively say if they don't reach their goal of processing one background check per day, they will never clear the backlog.

Yes. Which is likely what they're doing.

 

[taroman]

Looks like the backlog has been cleared.
Picked up a Glock frame last week.
Background cleared in about one minute.

 

[PADRE]

Maybe not all the way cleared. On this past Thursday, 1/5, I was @ 9,242.

 

[taroman]

Don't know.
FFL was surprised.
Not a 3-day exemption.