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by Jim Kelley on May.01, 2010

AZ State Sen. Sylvia Allen tells why she voted for SB 1070...


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I’m Arizona State Senator Sylvia Allen. I want to explain SB 1070 for which I voted yes. Rancher Robert Krentz was murdered by the drug cartel on his ranch a month ago. I participated in a senate hearing two weeks ago on the border violence, here is just some of the highlights from those who testified.
The people who live within 60 to 80 miles of the Arizona/Mexico Border have for years been terrorized and have pleaded for help to stop the daily invasion of humans who cross their property . One Rancher testified that 300 to 1200 people a DAY come across his ranch vandalizing his property, stealing his vehicles and property, cutting down his fences, and leaving trash. In the last two years he has found 17 dead bodies and two Koran bibles. Another rancher testified that daily drugs are brought across his ranch in a military operation. A point man with a machine gun goes in front, 1/2 mile behind are the guards fully armed, 1/2 mile behind them are the drugs, behind the drugs 1/2 mile are more guards. These people are violent and they will kill anyone who gets in the way. This was not the only rancher we heard that day that talked about the drug trains. One man told of two illegal’s who came upon his property one shot in the back and the other in the arm by the drug runners who had forced them to carry the drugs and then shot them. Daily they listen to gun fire during the night it is not safe to leave his family alone on the ranch and they can’t leave the ranch for fear of nothing being left when they come back.

The border patrol is not on the border. They have set up 60 miles away with check points that do nothing to stop the invasion. They are not allowed to use force in stopping anyone who is entering. They run around chasing them, if they get their hands on them then they can take them back across the border. Federal prisons have over 35% illegal’s and 20% of Arizona prisons are filled with illegal’s. In the last few years 80% of our law enforcement that have been killed or wounded have been by an illegal. The majority of people coming now are people we need to be worried about. The ranchers told us that they have seen a change in the people coming they are not just those who are looking for work and a better life.

The Federal Government has refused for years to do anything to help the border states . We have been over run and once they are here we have the burden of funding state services that they use. Education costs have been over a billion dollars. The healthcare cost billions of dollars. Our State is broke, $3.5 billion deficit and we have many serious decisions to make. One is that we do not have the money to care for any who are not here legally. It has to stop.

The border can be secured. We have the technology and we have the ability to stop this invasion. We must know who is coming and they must come in an organized manner legally so that we can assimilate them into our population and protect the sovereignty of our country. We are a nation of laws. We have a responsibility to protect our citizens and to protect the integrity of our country and the government which we live under. I would give amnesty today to many, but here is the problem, we dare not do this until the Border is secure. It will do no good to give them amnesty because thousands will come behind them and we will be over run to the point that there will no longer be the United States of America but a North American Union of open borders. I ask you what form of government will we live under? How long will it be before we will be just like Mexico , Canada or any of the other Central American or South American country? We have already lost our language, everything must be printed in Spanish. We have already lost our history, it is no longer taught in our schools, and we have lost our borders.

The leftist media has distorted what SB 1070 will do. It is not going to set up a Nazi Germany. Are you kidding? The ACLU and the leftist courts will do everything to protect those who are here illegally, but it was an effort to try and stop illegal’s from setting up businesses, and employment, and receiving state services and give the ability to local law enforcement when there is probable cause, like a traffic stop, to determine if they are here legally. Federal law is very clear, if you are here on a visa you must have your papers on you at all times. That is the law. In Arizona all you need to show you are a legal citizen is a driver license, MVD identification card, Native American Card, or a Military ID. This is what you need to vote or get a hunting license. So nothing new has been added to this law. No one is going to be stopped walking down the street. The Socialists who are in power in DC are angry because we dare try and do something.The Socialists wants us to just let them come. They want the “Transformation” to continue.

Maybe it is too late to save America . Maybe we are not worthy of freedom anymore. But as an elected official I must try to do what I can to protect our Constitutional Republic . Living in America is not a right just because you can walk across the border. Being an American is a responsibility and it comes by respecting and upholding the Constitution, the law of our land, which says what you must do to be a citizen of this country. FREEDOM IS NOT FREE.

Senator Sylvia Allen .
 
Parents who are already citizens and parents who have already went threw our countries steps in becoming a citizen seem like the only justified way. Just walking across the border or here with a temporary visa should not give a persons child the right to claim United States citizenship just because they came out of the womb while on U.S soil.

Right, if I invite you into my home then you are a guest. If you break in you are a criminal and I shoot you until you fall down
 
I think we should just give them all our jobs and sit back and collect government benefits. I wonder how long it would take them to get tired of supporting lazy people and go back home.
 
I still stand behind my post I made awhile ago.

This illegal immigration problem needs to come before the American People for votes. The representatives have shown they cannot be trusted and are not doing the will of the People. We the People should decide what laws should be upheld and not just by a few people in black robes either.

The representatives should do The Will Of The People and the courts should enforce it! :s0155:

Only two ways that will happen at the federal level:

1) We finally wake up as a people and throw out the bums, replacing them with true patriots willing to ignore the "special interests" and communists, at the possible cost of their very lives (because some of the persons mentioned stop at nothing, bribes, blackmail or even assassination)

2) Armed revolution
 
Tucson Citizen
by Jim Kelley on May.01, 2010

AZ State Sen. Sylvia Allen tells why she voted for SB 1070...


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I’m Arizona State Senator Sylvia Allen. I want to explain SB 1070 for which I voted yes. Rancher Robert Krentz was murdered by the drug cartel on his ranch a month ago. I participated in a senate hearing two weeks ago on the border violence, here is just some of the highlights from those who testified.
The people who live within 60 to 80 miles of the Arizona/Mexico Border have for years been terrorized and have pleaded for help to stop the daily invasion of humans who cross their property . One Rancher testified that 300 to 1200 people a DAY come across his ranch vandalizing his property, stealing his vehicles and property, cutting down his fences, and leaving trash. In the last two years he has found 17 dead bodies and two Koran bibles. Another rancher testified that daily drugs are brought across his ranch in a military operation. A point man with a machine gun goes in front, 1/2 mile behind are the guards fully armed, 1/2 mile behind them are the drugs, behind the drugs 1/2 mile are more guards. These people are violent and they will kill anyone who gets in the way. This was not the only rancher we heard that day that talked about the drug trains. One man told of two illegal’s who came upon his property one shot in the back and the other in the arm by the drug runners who had forced them to carry the drugs and then shot them. Daily they listen to gun fire during the night it is not safe to leave his family alone on the ranch and they can’t leave the ranch for fear of nothing being left when they come back.

The border patrol is not on the border. They have set up 60 miles away with check points that do nothing to stop the invasion. They are not allowed to use force in stopping anyone who is entering. They run around chasing them, if they get their hands on them then they can take them back across the border. Federal prisons have over 35% illegal’s and 20% of Arizona prisons are filled with illegal’s. In the last few years 80% of our law enforcement that have been killed or wounded have been by an illegal. The majority of people coming now are people we need to be worried about. The ranchers told us that they have seen a change in the people coming they are not just those who are looking for work and a better life.

The Federal Government has refused for years to do anything to help the border states . We have been over run and once they are here we have the burden of funding state services that they use. Education costs have been over a billion dollars. The healthcare cost billions of dollars. Our State is broke, $3.5 billion deficit and we have many serious decisions to make. One is that we do not have the money to care for any who are not here legally. It has to stop.

The border can be secured. We have the technology and we have the ability to stop this invasion. We must know who is coming and they must come in an organized manner legally so that we can assimilate them into our population and protect the sovereignty of our country. We are a nation of laws. We have a responsibility to protect our citizens and to protect the integrity of our country and the government which we live under. I would give amnesty today to many, but here is the problem, we dare not do this until the Border is secure. It will do no good to give them amnesty because thousands will come behind them and we will be over run to the point that there will no longer be the United States of America but a North American Union of open borders. I ask you what form of government will we live under? How long will it be before we will be just like Mexico , Canada or any of the other Central American or South American country? We have already lost our language, everything must be printed in Spanish. We have already lost our history, it is no longer taught in our schools, and we have lost our borders.

The leftist media has distorted what SB 1070 will do. It is not going to set up a Nazi Germany. Are you kidding? The ACLU and the leftist courts will do everything to protect those who are here illegally, but it was an effort to try and stop illegal’s from setting up businesses, and employment, and receiving state services and give the ability to local law enforcement when there is probable cause, like a traffic stop, to determine if they are here legally. Federal law is very clear, if you are here on a visa you must have your papers on you at all times. That is the law. In Arizona all you need to show you are a legal citizen is a driver license, MVD identification card, Native American Card, or a Military ID. This is what you need to vote or get a hunting license. So nothing new has been added to this law. No one is going to be stopped walking down the street. The Socialists who are in power in DC are angry because we dare try and do something.The Socialists wants us to just let them come. They want the “Transformation” to continue.

Maybe it is too late to save America . Maybe we are not worthy of freedom anymore. But as an elected official I must try to do what I can to protect our Constitutional Republic . Living in America is not a right just because you can walk across the border. Being an American is a responsibility and it comes by respecting and upholding the Constitution, the law of our land, which says what you must do to be a citizen of this country. FREEDOM IS NOT FREE.

Senator Sylvia Allen .

You reading this, Bugeye and the other detractors of this essential law?
 
The guy on the blog where I got it did an analysis and thinks it's real

http://www.market-ticker.org/archives/2276-So-THATS-Who-The-Violent-Protestors-Are!.html

I am of two minds, hoping it's real and what the illegals are willing to do to to stay and on the other hand I hope they are not that stupid because this could hurt a lot of misguided people on both sides. I had a conversation with one of the libtards I work around and he started right off saying this was discrimination against brown people. I laughed at the fool and told him to stop watching the communist news media and to attempt to get the news from other sources, like the state of Arizona's home page, read the bill, make an intelligent decision before you go opening your big f'n mouth. Thought for a moment we going going to get into a little tussle but . . . Instead he walked over to the computer and started reading what the bill and the law actually say. He still had the (uncle o's word) audacity to say that is not what he heard the bill was about, they must have changed it. Ya got to have a little pity on someone as hard headed as that, reminds me of some of the libtards we have posting here.
 
I looked at that photo with photo shop and "think" it has been worked. If you look closely at where the two signs are joined they appear "tampered with" and smudged.

I have a larger copy of this from a news site. I blew it up in photoshop and I don't think it's tampered, although who knows. I can give ten quick reasons why I don't think it is, but the pixel form, size, edges and density are all even all the way across.

The fingers don't bother me due to the shading. I think that if it's photoshopped, the guy was holding the sign and someone changed the wording. Still, I don't think that was done. Who knows?


los-angeles-im.jpg
 
Quote from the blog linked above:
If Janet Napolitano is looking for violent home-grown terrorism, the Tea Partiers aren't the people she needs to be looking at. It would seem to me that someone carrying a sign declaring clear intent to kill law enforcement officers would be on the top of the list, no?

Didn't the Hutaree militia members just get arrested last month for conspiring to do what the sign is advocating?
Now I hear they (Hutaree) are being charged with seditious activity, while illegals are free to carry signs in the streets declaring their same intent.

Man, things are really screwed up at the moment.
 
We need to quantify problems before looking at solutions, otherwise we can end up doing dumb things. This is not a radical idea, it is a sensible idea, used to fix almost anything from a toaster (throw it it it's only $18) to an oil leak 5000 feet below the surface of an ocean.

The children you speak of are mostly citizens, and we can't deport citizens, right? So their education is not even an issue. We can let their parents stay here and raise these citizens for a low cost or we can deport their parents and then the state gets to raise these kids at a very high cost. The other items you list are legit and they do cost, but how much? If this is a non racial economic decision then lets evaluate decisions based on their economic merits.

Also, it is unfair to say I don't want to deal with this problem, as I've said I'm in favor of immunity and granting citizenship to non criminal illegals who have shown themselves to be functional. I've also said that once that is done we need very strict laws that must be enforced to stop anymore inflow of new illegals. Not enforcing laws was done for the benefit of a powerful segment of our system, so we are responsible for this problem, dealing with it by suddenly strictly enforcing these laws is just a moral dodge, another way of being irresponsible. This would not be the action of a country worthy of respect, it would be the action of a country of weasels. We should man up, take responsibility, and fix the problems we have made with a mind toward minimizing the damage.

This message brought to you by Pedro's Taco Truck that has done more to curb illegal immigration by promoting intestinal tract disorders, than has the INS.
Hmm. Instant 14 million Democrat voters, head in the sand denial of the real issue. Illegal migration=Crime=more crime, and non payment of taxes=more crime. Where will you allow it to end? Bug, I love you with my Christian values and faith, but you are sincerely wrong! Greydog.
 
Hmm. Instant 14 million Democrat voters, head in the sand denial of the real issue. Illegal migration=Crime=more crime, and non payment of taxes=more crime. Where will you allow it to end? Bug, I love you with my Christian values and faith, but you are sincerely wrong! Greydog.

OK, Grey show me the figures to make your case, but use real numbers not BS ones. The population of AZ is over 30% legal hispanics, but they were prob. dem voters anyway. Crime is down in AZ. As near as I can tell total cost to taxpayers of illegals is remarkably low, less then 40 billion a year using realistic numbers, and that is less than what it will cost for the state to raise the citizen children that would be left behind in a mass deportation. Honest, I don't think we can make either an ethical case, or an economic case for such actions.

In 2005 John McCain ad Ted kennedy tried to put a bill in the senate that was very resonable. There was no way to get it to the floor, too many powerful interests wanted a source of cheap labor.
 
OK, Grey show me the figures to make your case, but use real numbers not BS ones. The population of AZ is over 30% legal hispanics, but they were prob. dem voters anyway. Crime is down in AZ. As near as I can tell total cost to taxpayers of illegals is remarkably low, less then 40 billion a year using realistic numbers, and that is less than what it will cost for the state to raise the citizen children that would be left behind in a mass deportation. Honest, I don't think we can make either an ethical case, or an economic case for such actions.

In 2005 John McCain ad Ted kennedy tried to put a bill in the senate that was very resonable. There was no way to get it to the floor, too many powerful interests wanted a source of cheap labor.

How do you know if the numbers are bs? They only thing I have seen you post concerning state costs is a quote saying that they are probably modest. Everything I am seeing estimates a 1.4 billion dollar a year cost to Arizona. As I posted, the LA Times gave a estimate of over 5 billion a year costs to California for illegals. I wouldn't think that it would be redicuous that 1.4 billion a year could be expended by Arizona on illegals and their children a year.
 
Quote from the blog linked above:

Didn't the Hutaree militia members just get arrested last month for conspiring to do what the sign is advocating?
Now I hear they (Hutaree) are being charged with seditious activity, while illegals are free to carry signs in the streets declaring their same intent.

Man, things are really screwed up at the moment.

Hutaree are white Christians (although apparently a bit kooky if we are to believe the MS media) therefore they are fair game. Central Americans are a protected class, untouchable until they actually commit a verifiable crime

But we're all equal before the law, right? (crickets chirping..)
 
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