ATF and backroom dealings.

[Just Jim]

You're pretty good at telling people what they think, and how they feel. It might surprise you to know that I'm not at all angry. I'd have to give a bubblegum about your opinions in order to be angry. I'm just pointing out that you're an extremely good example of why we are losing our gun rights. Unless someone agrees with every jot and tittle of whatever you've decided is The Truth (tm) they are on the other side. And you wonder why you seem to have enemies on every side, and no cooperation from anyone? You've manufactured those "enemies" and you've shunned their help because they aren't pure enough. Successful politics is the art of compromise and getting along with potential allies. But right now you're thinking, "Ooo, he said 'compromise', and that something we can't tolerate." Well, you're right with respect to our Constitutional rights. No compromise there. But cutting yourself off from allies and assistance because they see things slightly different than you do is counterproductive. It's what has gotten us where we are now, which is on the brink of losing the 2nd Amendment. It's time to man up. There aren't enough Republican votes left in the Oregon legislature to stop anything the Democrats want to do. Logic dictates that we'd better make friends with some gun loving Democrats if we want to save our gun rights.

Of course I have no idea what emotion is behind your post other than your words, your last post to me read as hostile and I told you how it came off as that. You may not see it that way but I did so you either end up wasting time explaining yourself or just be civil to begin with.

You say I am setting the standards I think everyone else should live by but I doubt your comprehension is working well when you read my post. I set standards for myself to live by and openly express what they are. I am not trying to lead people nor am I looking to compromise my values. To compromise is to give up what you believe in and it's why the country is so screwed today is because all that was important was compromised away.

Funny what great power that you give me to "manufacture enemies", compromise on rights is what manufactures enemies because it shows weakness. You give some up today so how much are you going to give up tomorrow? If you are right then why compromise away what you stand for? You seem to let tolerance run your life in a manner that erodes your rights to the point that soon you will have no rights but will have lots of idiot friends in the same boat with you. Look where we are today with a bullet proof commie legistlature, did all your compromises to get here do a fricking thing for your rights?

 

[ZigZagZeke]

Of course I have no idea what emotion is behind your post other than your words, your last post to me read as hostile and I told you how it came off as that. You may not see it that way but I did so you either end up wasting time explaining yourself or just be civil to begin with.

You say I am setting the standards I think everyone else should live by but I doubt your comprehension is working well when you read my post. I set standards for myself to live by and openly express what they are. I am not trying to lead people nor am I looking to compromise my values. To compromise is to give up what you believe in and it's why the country is so screwed today is because all that was important was compromised away.

Funny what great power that you give me to "manufacture enemies", compromise on rights is what manufactures enemies because it shows weakness. You give some up today so how much are you going to give up tomorrow? If you are right then why compromise away what you stand for? You seem to let tolerance run your life in a manner that erodes your rights to the point that soon you will have no rights but will have lots of idiot friends in the same boat with you. Look where we are today with a bullet proof commie legistlature, did all your compromises to get here do a fricking thing for your rights?

I see that, as predicted, you didn't get past the word "compromise" in my post:

Successful politics is the art of compromise and getting along with potential allies. But right now you're thinking, "Ooo, he said 'compromise', and that something we can't tolerate." Well, you're right with respect to our Constitutional rights. No compromise there. But cutting yourself off from allies and assistance because they see things slightly different than you do is counterproductive.

So you don't vote for a pro-gun Democrat who maybe also favors mass transit because he/she's a "Libral". That's the kind of compromise I'm talking about, not compromising on our rights at all. But you don't WANT to understand that. All you can see is that someone doesn't fit EXACTLY into the mold you've decided is acceptable. When the only pro-gun candidate you can vote for is a guaranteed-to-lose Republican the result is that the anti-gun Democrat gets elected. See what I mean about creating enemies and putting them in positions of power through your insistence on absolute Conservative purity? Probably not.

 

[Just Jim]

I see that, as predicted, you didn't get past the word "compromise" in my post:

So you don't vote for a pro-gun Democrat who maybe also favors mass transit because he/she's a "Libral". That's the kind of compromise I'm talking about, not compromising on our rights at all. But you don't WANT to understand that. All you can see is that someone doesn't fit EXACTLY into the mold you've decided is acceptable. When the only pro-gun candidate you can vote for is a guaranteed-to-lose Republican the result is that the anti-gun Democrat gets elected. See what I mean about creating enemies and putting them in positions of power through your insistence on absolute Conservative purity? Probably not.

You like to pick and choose a single issue so my first issue is my right to defend my own life, there is no compromise on that. All the other issues are social or regulatory that run the life I want to live. Life is not nearly as important if you have so many regulations you can't live as a free man. Your confusion on conservative purity is understood, conservatives really want to conserve our liberties that so many are willing to compromise away. Compromise is a tactic of commie socialist and we have seen it all over the world.

Truth is the mold is used by the commies and they use Political Correctness to keep you in it. Plus they use Alinski tactics if you realize what they are doing and want your freedom back. It's the lefts political practices that robs us of our freedoms, life and money. Why would I vote for people like that just because they say they are progun?

 

[1Asterisk]

Second clue is they are a new member to the community with very little history.

Third clue is they won't conform to your opinions

 

[Just Jim]

Third clue is they won't conform to your opinions

I consider myself a non conformist and never expect anyone to think what I do. I relish not being a sheeple.

 

[1Asterisk]

I consider myself a non conformist and never expect anyone to think what I do. I relish not being a sheeple.

You fooled me

 

[ZigZagZeke]

You like to pick and choose a single issue so my first issue is my right to defend my own life, there is no compromise on that. All the other issues are social or regulatory that run the life I want to live. Life is not nearly as important if you have so many regulations you can't live as a free man. Your confusion on conservative purity is understood, conservatives really want to conserve our liberties that so many are willing to compromise away. Compromise is a tactic of commie socialist and we have seen it all over the world.

Truth is the mold is used by the commies and they use Political Correctness to keep you in it. Plus they use Alinski tactics if you realize what they are doing and want your freedom back. It's the lefts political practices that robs us of our freedoms, life and money. Why would I vote for people like that just because they say they are progun?

See? It's exactly as I said it would be with you. Either somebody is a by-the-book Conservative all the way down the line or they are a "Commie". You and the other 20% of the population who subscribe to your di-polar philosophy will never get the moderate 60% to vote your way because you constantly reject them and their candidates as not pure enough. Sadly, that middle of the road 60% is courted successfully by the Progressive 20%, and therefor we have people like Ginny Burdick elected to office repeatedly. If you could back away from the whacko part of the Conservative agenda just a little bit there are a lot of Moderate and even Liberal voters who would agree with you on guns and other topics. But you're too busy insulting and condemning them and their non-Conservative ideas to have a successful dialog with them.

 

[Just Jim]

See? It's exactly as I said it would be with you. Either somebody is a by-the-book Conservative all the way down the line or they are a "Commie". You and the other 20% of the population who subscribe to your di-polar philosophy will never get the moderate 60% to vote your way because you constantly reject them and their candidates as not pure enough. Sadly, that middle of the road 60% is courted successfully by the Progressive 20%, and therefor we have people like Ginny Burdick elected to office repeatedly. If you could back away from the whacko part of the Conservative agenda just a little bit there are a lot of Moderate and even Liberal voters who would agree with you on guns and other topics. But you're too busy insulting and condemning them and their non-Conservative ideas to have a successful dialog with them.

I barely get past the first two lines of your reply because you don't separate your thoughts into sentences and paragraphs. However the fist thing I got from what little I could read is that I call a spade a spade. You are right on that.

Please if you are going to post to me use educated English. I don't expect perfection as I am not perfect in my writing and do make mistakes but for cripes sakes make your post readable.

 

[Just Jim]

QUOTE="ZigZagZeke, See? It's exactly as I said it would be with you. Either somebody is a by-the-book Conservative all the way down the line or they are a "Commie".

You and the other 20% of the population who subscribe to your di-polar philosophy will never get the moderate 60% to vote your way because you constantly reject them and their candidates as not pure enough.

Sadly, that middle of the road 60% is courted successfully by the Progressive 20%, and therefor we have people like Ginny Burdick elected to office repeatedly.

If you could back away from the whacko part of the Conservative agenda just a little bit there are a lot of Moderate and even Liberal voters who would agree with you on guns and other topics. But you're too busy insulting and condemning them and their non-Conservative ideas to have a successful dialog with them.

Fify.

 

[Caveman Jim]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

An organization that is willing to make ANY deal that concede's our right's and help's turn them into a privilege can go pee up a wall.

Sorry if you don't like it but it's what the NRA is and has done.

But it's OK for the people you all voted in last year to destroy all of our rights? B. S.

 

[Just Jim]

QUOTE="ZigZagZeke, See? It's exactly as I said it would be with you. Either somebody is a by-the-book Conservative all the way down the line or they are a "Commie".

You and the other 20% of the population who subscribe to your di-polar philosophy will never get the moderate 60% to vote your way because you constantly reject them and their candidates as not pure enough.

Sadly, that middle of the road 60% is courted successfully by the Progressive 20%, and therefor we have people like Ginny Burdick elected to office repeatedly.

If you could back away from the whacko part of the Conservative agenda just a little bit there are a lot of Moderate and even Liberal voters who would agree with you on guns and other topics. But you're too busy insulting and condemning them and their non-Conservative ideas to have a successful dialog with them.

Fify.

Came back to this today in an effort to get you to understand what you say. You are telling me democrat voters are stupid and willing to give up everyone's gun rights on an emotional whim. I am 63 and have seen that all my life and know you can't fix stupid. There will always be the idiots like Burdick that will sell out the rest of the world and there will always be those who join her, you can't fix stupid.

My side which is conserving our rights loses all the time because you can't fix the stupid voters that vote them away. There is nothing you can say to get idiots to change their votes, nothing. The population in oregon has more idiots that people smart enough to vote for their rights, it's the way of the world.

Historical it takes a culling out to change the number of idiots or a war to change the thinking of a population. Those events are brought on by the idiots, it's a lemming style clean up. It is nature's way to kill off idiots and by nature I mean they will do themselves in with their own workings You are seeing this every day if you read the net or watch the news.

There now, I told you I know there is no way to bring people to my side. People are either smart enough to see the world for what it is and survive or they are sheeple that deserve the life they bring to themselves. Now go bother someone else.

 

[U201491]

You have had a short time around firearms but hate the NRA that has fought for firearms rights since 1871. I am not going to waste time with you, you can look up information yourself then go find someone else to troll on the subject.

Yep..
There is a push by bloomberg to discredit the NRA and the anti's have been trying for years to do the same thing. Now look at the source of some of the NRA negative comments here. Trojan horse and camouflage ring a bell now. If the shoe fits.
True pro 2nd amendment patriots do not badmouth any pro 2 nd organizations ! That is being true to the cause. Funny thing is the NRA continues to grow every year. So do all the pro 2 nd organizations
Spittin on your own, eventually gets ya fragged. ROE rules are sound in that area.
Figuratively speaking

 

[Just Jim]

There is a push by bloomberg to discredit the NRA and the anti's have been trying for years to do the same thing. Now look at the source of some of the NRA negative comments here. Trojan horse and camouflage ring a bell now. If the shoe fits.
True pro 2nd amendment patriots do not badmouth any pro 2 nd organizations ! That is true to the cause. Funny thing is the NRA continues to grow every year. So do all the pro 2 nd organizations
Spittin on your own, eventually gets ya fragged. ROE rules are sound in that area.

They can't change the mind of a real conservative any more than the conservative can change theirs about gun controls. It doesn't stop their lies though as they hope to turn those new to thinking into followers of idiocy.

 

[Riot]

True pro 2nd amendment patriots do not badmouth any pro 2 nd organizations !

As members, we have a right to demand accountability for the NRA. Are you saying <broken link removed> is full of crap? Are you saying the NRA can do no wrong? What are you saying Taku...lets gets down to the meat and potatoes.

There is a push by bloomberg to discredit the NRA and the anti's have been trying for years to do the same thing. Now look at the source of some of the NRA negative comments here. Trojan horse and camouflage ring a bell now. If the shoe fits.

No more name calling...no more bad mouthing us to defend the NRA...what is your deal, Taku?

 

[Just Jim]

Really all the way you see the world. If you see the NRA as family of gun owners and the one who is fighting the hardest to keep our rights then why would you speak ill of your family? Do you bring out into the world every mistake your family members make or do you handle it in family?

 

[U201491]

My "deal" is I don't like people that spit on organizations or people that fight hard to protect the 2nd amendment.
As for any more than that I don't play alinsky games either. You have my "deal" deal with it !

 

[U201491]

David Codrea is pro 2nd and a good supporter just to correct your comment.

 

[WasrNwarpaint]

taku said: or people that fight hard to protect the 2nd amendment.

others have a different interpretation than you of what is fighting hard
and some of us feel there are other more viable options get over it!
you cant seem to handle opinions that think differently than you.

its called closed minded

CarryOn

 

[Just Jim]

taku said: or people that fight hard to protect the 2nd amendment.

others have a different interpretation than you of what is fighting hard
and some of us feel there are other more viable options get over it!
you cant seem to handle opinions that think differently than you.

its called closed minded

CarryOn

It's called conservatism, you stick with your values and fight for what has worth in life.

an open mind will fall for anything.

 

[Riot]

David Codrea is pro 2nd and a good supporter just to correct your comment.

Then that means you think the bloggers at Sipsey Street are anti-patriotic/Blomberg trojan horses...

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