Anyone interested in the Tea party event this saturday?

[2506]

I guess we are all entitled to our own version of history. "Colonists objected to the Tea Act for a variety of reasons, especially because they believed that it violated their right to be taxed only by their own elected representatives. Protesters had successfully prevented the unloading of taxed tea in three other colonies, but in Boston, embattled Royal Governor Thomas Hutchinson refused to allow the tea to be returned to Britain. He apparently did not expect that the protestors would choose to destroy the tea rather than concede the authority of a legislature in which they were not directly represented." (Wikipedia) To say it was based more against the East India Company is silly, it was totally understood by the protesters that it was His Majesty's government enforcing the Tea Act. The angst continued until all of George's troops were out of our country for good.

"The Boston Tea Party arose from two issues confronting the British Empire in 1773: the financial problems of the British East India Company, and an ongoing dispute about the extent of Parliament's authority, if any, over the British American colonies without seating any elected representation." My ancestors didn't like George, and I don't like Barry.

You're missing my point. Recall the phrase "Taxation without representation." The colonists were not against taxes, which the modern Tea-party appears to be.

 

[donMiguel]

Ignoring CEF1959, the original Boston tea party was about taxes, taxes levied punitively without representation by a heavy handed egomaniac (Remind any of you of anyone today?) and was one of the earliest inspirations for a massive change that outlawed all such monarchs forever and gave us the right to keep and bear arms!

This is the part that puzzles me. You do have a vote, and you do have representation. You may not prevail, and your representative may not covey your message to your liking (or at all)... but that is a consequence of being a minority in a representative democracy.

 

[ikona]

Are they going to discuss infiltrating the union rally?

Tea Party Leader Plans to Infiltrate Union "Goons" | Mother Jones

I have friends and family involved in the Tea Party movement, they seem bent on the balkanization of America, not about freedom. The only freedom that they propose is for like minded people.

 

[MikeE]

Ignoring CEF1959, the original Boston tea party was about taxes, taxes levied punitively without representation by a heavy handed egomaniac (Remind any of you of anyone today?) and was one of the earliest inspirations for a massive change that outlawed all such monarchs forever and gave us the right to keep and bear arms!

Not really true. The original Tea Party was a protest against the East India Company - a corporate monopoly that the British crown was trying to bail out because it was 'Too Big to Fail' (meaning they were the King's corporate cronies). Without going into the complicated politics of the Townsend Act and the tea tax that was bounced about like a football, the East India Company finally got dispensation from the crown to sell tea directly to the colonies, which made their tea cheaper than the local product sold by American tea smugglers - despite the tax. The local businessmen looked at this the way a local hardware store owners looks at the arrival of WalMart down the block. The difference is that back then, the American people still had the conjones to take direct action against corporate monopoly.

Today, we have the Tea Party demonstrating IN FAVOR of corporate monopoly, in favor of today's East India companies. The anti-health care reform protests were supported by the private health care monopolies , instead in favor of a fairer system (which Obama care is not really, IMO).
The new Tea Party- elected Republican majority in the US House just defunded the Security Exchange Commission to 'save money' - as if criminal activity on the stock market that crashed the economy never happened!
The reason, I think, that people are having a hard time figuring this out is that the supposedly socialist Obama is just another corporate tool, a slight shade to the left of Speaker Boehner - both being the same boot lickers for corporate power.

 

[2506]

Thread drift...
Partsproduction: we're on the same page now that I see your quoted post above.

 

[KalamaMark]

This is the part that puzzles me. You do have a vote, and you do have representation. You may not prevail, and your representative may not covey your message to your liking (or at all)... but that is a consequence of being a minority in a representative democracy.

Back on topic, Troll aside...

When the Tea Party starts to protest the thousands of dollars I, as a Washington resident, working in Oregon, pay to the STATE OF OREGON every year, without any voice in how it is spent, then I'm on board.

That is an issue close to home that many of us here deal with, and the very definition of the taxation without representation the original Tea Party was all about.

C'mon, boys...Bring it. When you do, I'll go to your rally and wave a flag.

 

[MikeE]

Thread drift...
Partsproduction: we're on the same page now that I see your quoted post above.

In other words, you agree with falsifying history if it suits you political position, kind of like that great conservative J. Stalin maybe?

 

[Trlsmn]

I'm not on-board with the Tea Party myself but what I find amazing is the amount of vitriol those on the left spew about the Tea Party, it's just like Sarah Palin, if the left shut up about her they would figure out that they are the only people talking about her.

 

[donMiguel]

When Bill Clinton left office the national debt was as indicated here; According to the debt statistics at the Office of Management and Budget, the national debt was $4.351 trillion prior to the first fiscal budget authorized by President Clinton in 1994. When he left office in 2001, the debt was $5.770 trillion at the end of that fiscal year. (CBS)
The left leaning news media lied about it, saying Clinton lowered the debt, when clearly the debt gained 1.419 trillion. Not too surprising that you forgot. But I suspect what you were trying to "remember" were the lies of the media.

Or you misunderstood. Need to distinguish between debt and deficit. Clinton reversed the deficit, and USG had an annual surplus. That surplus could be applied to reduce the debt more quickly. Unless you piece it away on a bonus war...

But the glaring truth is that by comparison Obama raised the national debt to 14 Trillion dollars, not defending freedom, but wasted on "stimulus spending" that not only hasn't worked but has nearly destroyed the dollar as the worlds reserve currency.

Read more: CBS

Depends on what your definition of works is... what would the economic crater have looked like without intervention? How much of the $5T (give or take) was stimulus versus continuation of the two wars inherited? And much of the stimulus has been paid back, despite what Glenn and Rush would tell you. And Wall Street immediately said Fyou and returned to their risk taking ways... confident of a rescue in the future.

 

[MikeE]

I'm not on-board with the Tea Party myself but what I find amazing is the amount of vitriol those on the left spew about the Tea Party, it's just like Sarah Palin, if the left shut up about her they would figure out that they are the only people talking about her.

You're probably right...

 

[2506]

In other words, you agree with falsifying history if it suits you political position, kind of like that great conservative J. Stalin maybe?

I never said anything like that. I'm simply stating that it appears as if we are in agreement regarding the notion of taxation without representation. Infer what you want beyond that.

 

[keystir]

Back on topic, Troll aside...

When the Tea Party starts to protest the thousands of dollars I, as a Washington resident, working in Oregon, pay to the STATE OF OREGON every year, without any voice in how it is spent, then I'm on board.

That is an issue close to home that many of us here deal with, and the very definition of the taxation without representation the original Tea Party was all about.

C'mon, boys...Bring it. When you do, I'll go to your rally and wave a flag.

Your CHOICE to live in Washington and work in Oregon has nothing in common with the Original Tea Party. Trust me, sympathy for your "plight" ends at the I-5 bridge on your side of the river.

As for the Tea Party rally, no thanks. I'm not convinced the Tea Party movement is a genuine grass roots movement that actually wants to make America better rather than a group of like minded individuals who just want to get out of paying their taxes quietly backed by a few extremely wealthy individuals and businesses who also want to get out of paying their taxes.

 

[MikeE]

Sorry if i misunderstood.

 

[BrentN]

Your CHOICE to live in Washington and work in Oregon has nothing in common with the Original Tea Party. Trust me, sympathy for your "plight" ends at the I-5 bridge on your side of the river.

As for the Tea Party rally, no thanks. I'm not convinced the Tea Party movement is a genuine grass roots movement that actually wants to make America better rather than a group of like minded individuals who just want to get out of paying their taxes quietly backed by a few extremely wealthy individuals and businesses who also want to get out of paying their taxes.

Trust ME-you would suddenly find a whole lot of sympathy if you found out how much you're taxes would increase without that pile of money illeagally taxed from those on our side of the river. And illeagal it is. Unlike the legal choice of where to live and where to work. If you're p/o'd about the potholes and traffic snarls created by WA commuters (like I used to be before moving to WA 11 years ago), ask your Rep why some of this pile of money is not directed to address these issues. I would, but I have no say in Oregon politics.

wow- sorry o.p. this is way off topic

 

[WhyteCheddar]

Ya, I am always interested in the Tea Party activities for a few reasons.
I like smaller government and lower taxes, and I love how it just tweeks the libtard trolls like the one dropping in here. They cant help but out their socialist streak.

 

[Burt Gummer]

George Carlin summed it up best. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsL6mKxtOlQ


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[MikeE]

George Carlin summed it up best. YouTube - George Carlin The Best 3 Minutes of His Career "The American Dream"


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That is a great video! "It's a big club, and you ain't in it!"

 

[oasis618]

Here's a nice little kitten to stomp....

When I was a kid, I wanted a kitten just like this one.

 

[Partsproduction]

I see a lot of "fact" bombing that rears it's head every time there is a discussion like this. People who like the confederacy say that the civil war was really not about slavery, but about states rights, or about money, or both. (I'm NOT trying to drift this even farther, but talking about the dynamics of these kinds of discussions.)
It's true that there were some of those extraneous elements involved, but what got the clerk and farm boy in the North to enlist was the moral problem of the inhumane treatment of Southern slaves, that fact cannot be changed.

It's the same with the Tea parties, both now and two hundred and thirty years ago. We believe that government is way to big and powerful, that we are taxed way to much, and today, that although Bush brought his own problems into our republic the largest part of the problems are caused by Obama and the left. Look at who is the most upset by the rise of reason, the left. Look at who screams the loudest against the Tea Party, Obama supporters!
All this other stuff brought into the discussion is deflection. The Civil war, slavery, Tea parties, Overbearing government and taxation.

 

[Blitzkrieg]

Most people hate alternative points of view. It's natural. Some people transcend that and try to see the other point of view as potentially valid.

Others continue to wallow around in the muck, desperate for consistent views that support their own. Dealing with alternative points of view is beyond the capacity of a lot of people. They are insecure people, afraid, needful. They insist on talking only with people who agree with them. Cowards, but their cowardice is human nature, and therefore understandable.

Name calling, ad hominem attack, just another proof of troll status