Anyone interested in the Tea party event this saturday?

[captqc]

CEF1959, I don't believe it has anything to do with alternative points of view but rather how you paint the Tea Party with a VERY wide brush. You used "Fringe Group, Fringe Ideas, Lunatic Fringe, and Nonsense". Perhaps you should engage the brain before the mouth as you come across as a left wing lunatic in your posts.

 

[CEF1959]

Fringe Group, Fringe Ideas, Lunatic Fringe, Nonsense. Hmm. Yup. I think that assesses the Tea Party movement pretty well. Sorry if that hurts your feelings.

That's my point of view. And I hate to break it to you, but that's not an "alternative" point of view, but the viewpoint of most of us mainstream, traditional, conservatives. Tea partiers are hurting 2A, not helping. Sorry if you don't wanna hear it, but it's the truth.

If you think you speak for American Conservatives, you are wrong. We are not with you or any other sort of goofiness.

 

[Trlsmn]

SM? Dude, have you looked at your avatar?

Well since you brought it up here is clue and some advice for you!

 

[CEF1959]

I couldn't push play. Sorry, Trlsmn. Weird people are always recommending YouTube videos as some sort of anthems of life. Mostly kids (and Trlsmn). What's up with that? Is that like flower people in the 60's quoting Rimbaud to make themselves seem cool and, thereby, avoid having to come up with original thoughts themselves?

Anyone who says: "Here, listen to this song. It encapsulates all I believe." is, well, in a certain category.

 

[Trlsmn]

Well you asked so I attempted to answer your question, it's that old horse to water thing.

 

[Partsproduction]

Fringe Group, Fringe Ideas, Lunatic Fringe, Nonsense. Hmm. Yup. I think that assesses the Tea Party movement pretty well.

One thing the left is really good at is feeding on it's own lies, it's as if they think no one with a brain sees or hears what they say. Under Obama we have a 14 trillion dollar debt, totally insane. We must stop the insanity of the left! We will stop it! CEF1959 doesn't have a clue what the real issues of the Tea Party are or he wouldn't say such things. It makes no sense. Limiting government is not a fringe idea, Revisiting the Constitution is not lunatic fringe, stopping the Obama mess is not nonsense, it's mandatory.

 

[CEF1959]

What was the federal deficit when GWB took over from Bill Clinton? Then what was the deficit GWB left for Obama? Someone help me. I forget.

I've heard GWB inherited a huge budget surplus, then GWB turned that into a huge budget deficit. Then I heard there was a HUGE economic downturn at the end of GWB presidency. That's not right, is it? All this happened on Obama's watch, right? Please reassure me.

Doesn't matter. Obama's a Nigerian socialist who doesn't "share our values." (wink wink). All his fault, whatever it is.

 

[Trlsmn]

What was the federal deficit when GWB took over from Bill Clinton? Then what was the deficit GWB left for Obama? Someone help me. I forget.

I've heard GWB inherited a huge budget surplus, then GWB turned that into a huge budget deficit. Then I heard there was a HUGE economic downturn at the end of GWB presidency. That's not right, is it? All this happened on Obama's watch, right? Please reassure me.

Doesn't matter. Obama's a Nigerian socialist who doesn't "share our values." (wink wink). All his fault, whatever it is.

Does yesterdays traffic report help you with your commute home this evening?

 

[2506]

Ignoring CEF1959, the original Boston tea party was about taxes, taxes levied punitively without representation by a heavy handed egomaniac (Remind any of you of anyone today?) and was one of the earliest inspirations for a massive change that outlawed all such monarchs forever and gave us the right to keep and bear arms!

Actually, it wasn't. The Boston Tea Party was not a response to high taxes. It was in response to a tax break to a large corporation, namely the East India Company.

 

[Partsproduction]

Actually, it wasn't. The Boston Tea Party was not a response to high taxes. It was in response to a tax break to a large corporation, namely the East India Company.

I guess we are all entitled to our own version of history. "Colonists objected to the Tea Act for a variety of reasons, especially because they believed that it violated their right to be taxed only by their own elected representatives. Protesters had successfully prevented the unloading of taxed tea in three other colonies, but in Boston, embattled Royal Governor Thomas Hutchinson refused to allow the tea to be returned to Britain. He apparently did not expect that the protestors would choose to destroy the tea rather than concede the authority of a legislature in which they were not directly represented." (Wikipedia) To say it was based more against the East India Company is silly, it was totally understood by the protesters that it was His Majesty's government enforcing the Tea Act. The angst continued until all of George's troops were out of our country for good.

"The Boston Tea Party arose from two issues confronting the British Empire in 1773: the financial problems of the British East India Company, and an ongoing dispute about the extent of Parliament's authority, if any, over the British American colonies without seating any elected representation." My ancestors didn't like George, and I don't like Barry.

 

[CEF1959]

Does yesterdays traffic report help you with your commute home this evening?

Maybe we can stick to math problems, Trlsmn. Hehe.

 

[Trlsmn]

Here's a nice little kitten to stomp....

 

[Partsproduction]

what was the deficit GWB left for Obama? Someone help me. I forget.

George Bush left office with a national debt 5 trillion dollars higher than when he came into it. Some people conveniently forget that there was a war in the interim, and that Democrats were in power in Congress for the last two years of his office, which may have had some little bit to do with it.
When Bill Clinton left office the national debt was as indicated here; According to the debt statistics at the Office of Management and Budget, the national debt was $4.351 trillion prior to the first fiscal budget authorized by President Clinton in 1994. When he left office in 2001, the debt was $5.770 trillion at the end of that fiscal year. (CBS)
The left leaning news media lied about it, saying Clinton lowered the debt, when clearly the debt gained 1.419 trillion. Not too surprising that you forgot. But I suspect what you were trying to "remember" were the lies of the media.

But the glaring truth is that by comparison Obama raised the national debt to 14 Trillion dollars, not defending freedom, but wasted on "stimulus spending" that not only hasn't worked but has nearly destroyed the dollar as the worlds reserve currency. Many of us believe his true goal is nothing less than the destruction of the one country he seems to hate the most, America. (His pastor of 20 years said "God bubblegum America!")

Read more: CBS

 

[CEF1959]

So Clinton didn't leave office with a multi-billion dollar budget surplus, and GWB's last months (after 8 years in office) didn't witness a huge economic disaster and a huge budget deficit?

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Crazy liberal media feeding us lies again, I guess.

 

[CEF1959]

Here's a nice little kitten to stomp....

Aww. Did somebody's feelings get hurt? I thought we were all grownups here capable of taking as well as we give. Maybe not all of us.

 

[MA Duce]

One thing folks seem to be missing is that the funding for the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan was done off the books......it was never included in any of GWB's budgets. How far into the hole this action pushed us is still unknown.

 

[Jamie6.5]

Aww. Did somebody's feelings get hurt? I thought we were all grownups here capable of taking as well as we give. Maybe not all of us.

And I thought people with grace, class and a modicum of intelligence didn't continue to argue against something after they turned down the offer to attend.
You said you wouldn't attend, okay. You said you disagreed with the attendees, okay. You told us your opinion of TEA partiers, okay. We get it.

So there's more?? Is this your chance to send us all a revelation about your view(s) of conservative politics CEF?? I have news for you. Unlike what you consistently demonstrate here, most of US pay attention. We get it. You are a liberal that defends socialist policies.
No reason to belabor the point in this thread.
Start one of your own. We'll all be smart enough to get it after the original post.

You on the other hand,.... Apparently not.
You could be:
1)Quiet
2)Relevant
3)Smart
Too bad you chose "None of the above."

 

[Scott]

Everything for the next hundred years is Bush's fault. All Bush and no one else. That is more than old. When the dirtball gets kicked out of office and referring to your president CE it will still be Bush's fault and then when said dirtbag is gone and things get better I bet you will say the dirtbag got us out of it.

Since you bring up Bush and money, why don't you put up a chart of spending between the two of them? Do it, I would like to see and show me that Bush is all the cause of this.

Just for information one man cannot be responsible for all of this but you and your crew contribute to most of it. I don't think you are here for guns but rather just to piss people off.

But don't forget the chart and show the national debt clock as well between the two.

This administration has everything under control and all Americans are happy with gas prices, employment, debt, taxes, healthcare and we are in good shape. Way to go.

 

[MA Duce]

"This administration has everything under control and all Americans are happy with gas prices, employment, debt, taxes, healthcare and we are in good shape. Way to go." You forgot the part about the rainbows and unicorns frolicking......

 

[el gringo loco]

While CEF1959 is a bit caustic and sarcastic in his criticism of the Tea Party, he does address some issues that seemed to be ignored by a large portion of the Tea Party.

I believe that a Libertarian ideology is not a fringe belief system, although I tend to disagree with most of its tenets. In fact, the core principles of the Tea Party are worthy of being included in any national debate. The problem is that certain facts are wholly ignored by a lot of the Tea Party types. And, I don't see how Americans are supposed to have civil discourse about politics when we can't agree on the facts. The major issues that keep me from taking the Tea Party seriously are (this list is not all-inclusive, but it is a start):

1. Obama cut your taxes. While you may still think your taxes are too high, you need to at least admit that your federal taxes have gone down with Obama in office. If you are middle class that is a fact. The much hated stimulus bill cut your taxes. The Bush tax cuts were extended and your payroll taxes were cut starting this year.

2. A large part of Obama's ballooning budget deficit is a result of moving the two current wars onto the books. I'm not in the blame Bush forever crowd, but the FACT is that he fought two wars and did not include them in his budget. When Obama moved the wars onto the budget (where they should have been all along), the deficit ballooned.

3. The original Tea Party had everything to do with corporate power and influence in politics. The East India Company received tax breaks that Joe Citizen could not take advantage of. The current Tea Party tends to align itself with the Republican Party- a party that continually gives tax breaks and special treatment to large corporations over that of Joe Citizen.