Any Thoughts on the Mossy 4x4?

[al42]

well said spitpacth.google that mookie!

 

[iusmc2002]

1" out of the box, eh? That's some impressive stuff. I did like my savage that I probably shouldn't have sold. Hmmm...... maybe I should stick with savage. I am 1/64 indian....er.....native american

Does that mean that the skin on your big toe is slightly darker than the rest of you?

 

[eriknemily]

Does that mean that the skin on your big toe is slightly darker than the rest of you?

No, actually I have a slightly raised and elongated nose. I think that's what I inherited from my 4x great granny

 

[eriknemily]

If you have to have a new gun, the recommendations for the Savage and Marlins are good.

But if you shop, you should be able to find a nice used Rem 700 in the $350-400 range. Heckuva lot better gun.

Savage actions are the premier action to be chosen for a benchrest rifle if one cannot afford a custom "built-from-the-ground-up" benchrest action.

Savage actions were the absolute predominate action in benchrest competition prior to there being any custom benchrest actions. They continue to hold their own and sweep top awards even against the custom stuff.

Savage actions are the most popular action chosen by customers and recommended by gunsmiths/gunbuilders for accuracy when building a custom gun. Indeed, there are many custom gun builders who are reluctant or even refuse to use anything else for their platform.

Savage actions are a reference point for nearly all of the custom "house brand" bolt actions produced by action builders in America today: i.e.: Montana, etc. These builders take the best features of the Savage action Winchester, Springfield and the Mauser, and construct actions with the best of all features from each.

The military has chosen the Savage action as its platform for sniper weaponry since the Vietnam war.

Got your attention? GOOD!

All the above is Bizzarro Speak. On planet earth, in order to be comprehended, you are required to insert Remington everywhere you see Savage.

Spit,

Your posts seem to contradict. However you 'speak' with conviction and authority. If you had $500 to go spend on a rifle today and had your heart set on a 7mm then what would you get?

Oh, and please list you credentials

 

[44magyota]

Savage is a better rifle these days then the remington. I have shot both. Brand new out of box savage/ scope combo in 30-06. First three rounds all touching. Compared to buddies brand new remington vtr rifle in 308 that can't even shoot a sub 1" group at 100 yards. Ill take the savage thank you

 

[eriknemily]

I re-read my last post and it may have come across a little rude towards Spitpatch which wasn't my intention. I was just being sarcastic with my last line.

All that aside, specifically what model savage would you get? Would you get one with the accu trigger? And what about the accu stock? I prefer a wood stock but they don't make a wood accustock from what I can see. Thanks again for the advice gents!!!

 

[44magyota]

Talk to coctailer..he has the hookup there i believe. You can get an older model wood stock....or get the new model centerfeed with accutrigger in a sturdy plastic stock. And get yourself a really nice wood stock from SSS.

 

[eriknemily]

Talk to coctailer..he has the hookup there i believe. You can get an older model wood stock....or get the new model centerfeed with accutrigger in a sturdy plastic stock. And get yourself a really nice wood stock from SSS.

So 44mag can you give me a model number to look up online? Which combo was it that you got. I can almost see my gift to myself now
Maybe I'm just a traditionalist but I don't like synthetic stocks. Of course that's what I have on my ar but that the way those are supposed to be. I feel like a bolt action rifle deserves a pretty wood stock!

 

[44magyota]

So 44mag can you give me a model number to look up online? Which combo was it that you got. I can almost see my gift to myself now
Maybe I'm just a traditionalist but I don't like synthetic stocks. Of course that's what I have on my ar but that the way those are supposed to be. I feel like a bolt action rifle deserves a pretty wood stock!

Look at the American classic line. Savage Arms > Firearms > Browse Models

Pretty wood for hunting. Also look at the package series...they have lots off wood stock rifles to choose from.

 

[Spitpatch]

No offense taken, e and e.

And now I will speak in earthling and allow that I have been more than once impressed by Savage bolt gun accuracy. I am a Savage fanatic (specifically directed toward the venerable Model 99 levergun, and the Model 24 Over/Under).

Credentials? Shot my first M700 Remington in 1972. Shot my first Savage 110 the same year. I own seven M700's currently, and probably around 20 or so have arrived in my posession over the years. I shot competition in various disciplines (all rifle) for over 20 years, military and civilian.

I will still say that if you have to have a new gun, and are trying to save money, the Savage may be better for those purposes. It will certainly shoot better than you ever will. I am perplexed with those here that have M700's and claim they are not accurate. I cannot argue with them, since I have not shot their gun. I can say that this has NEVER been my experience.

$500 to spend? Rifle and scope, or just rifle? If it were me, I would look for a well-cared for used M700 in your chosen 7mm Mag, carrying your preference for stock material and style. My favorite M700 stock is the Classic. These were offered in a different caliber every year (7 Mag being one of them), and it is a wood stock that returns to traditional configuration, with no black caps and white lines. My sheep rifle, however is a M700 BDL Stainless/Synthetic. (Alaska trips are hard on blue/walnut).

I would outfit it with a Leupold 3x-9x. (New or used, depending on money: they are ALL guaranteed for life, no matter what.) If you shop, you will always be assured that your well-cared-for Remington will hold a large portion of its value should you ever choose to sell it. I believe it will do this better than the Savage. I also believe it will have a better chance of shooting accurately than the Savage (though both will outshoot you or me, and I will not challenge the concept that a certain Savage may outshoot a certain 700 out of the box). By and large, I believe the Remington guns will do better on paper overall.

As to triggers, the 700 trigger has always carried a reputation for being a very fine one, adjustable (with knowledge) to become very nearly of target-grade crispness and letoff. A Savage Accutrigger is a good concept, but it adds delicate mechanical complication: not what I desire in a rugged field rifle upon which one needs to depend. Remingtons don't need it. And to be very honest, I actually prefer the simplicity of the old style Winchester M70 trigger: It shows up in the "house brand" custom actions (such as Montana, etc.) that are a conglomeration of the best features of a number of good bolt actions.

The track record of the 700 is expressed previously in Bizzarro Speak reversed. (Sorry if my presentation there confused.) The Savage can make none of those claims. History is occasionally very valuable.

 

[eriknemily]

Thanks Spit. That was what I was after. It' nice to know what kind of experience the voice of experience has.
I'm not necessarily set on a new rifle. I'm just not patient and when I get my spending money I want to use NOW!!! Maybe I should try to discipline myself and wait for a good used one

 

[Mookie]

And Ruger 10/22 is the most customized rimfire on the market. It must be the best.

History does teach us a lot. It has also taught us that Remington QC BLOWS *** CHUNKS. And has for years. Their top end or special purpose models are great, such as the police models, but the standard every day models they don't give a crap about. Wingmasters, great, express, not, as an example.

Remington has a very solid action that has been proven for a long time. But Savage has seriously been kicking butt the last ten years. Remington has gone down in quality, Savage has gone up.

 

[Spitpatch]

e and e is sorting all this out, and from his replies, I for one am certain that he is listening a bit closer to those who've posted here and given both rifles the credit that they are due, and giving less credit to those who run down one or the other.

It was my understanding that he wanted hard information supplied by persons who would not denigrate two very good rifles, supported by some more than anecdotal experience along the way.

Some of us have provided that. Others have not.

 

[eriknemily]

Last night I went through my back issues of Gun Tests magazine (excellent magazine by the way) and found an article on the then new Savage 111 FCNS model. This one was chambered in 30-06 but they gave it rave reviews. They basically said if you're looking for a good out of the box rifle (which I am) and don't plan on modifications (which I don't) then it is an excellent rifle. While they didn't pit it directly against a Rem 700 there were other back issues that said the 700 was a gun that could use work to be as good and obviously even better if you wanted to do lots of mods.

All that being said, I appreciate the advice I've gotten on this thread and I think I'll be looking for a savage.

Now here's a plug for Gun Tests Magazine. They are great. No thrills and frills like many of the firearm magazines that are littered with ridiculous ads (who needs a viagra ad in a gun mag?).... think Guns and Ammo. Gun Tests simply pits two or three similar items (usually guns but often time accessories too) against each other and simply tells you the results. They aren't taking ads from the very companies whose products they are reviewing so you know it'll be more bluntly honest. End Plug

 

[Spitpatch]

You have made the best choice for your purposes, and I take no credit for suggesting it twice. You will not be disappointed in the Savage.

Much of what allows the Savage to shoot so well is that they have used "button rifling" for years. This technique is seen in very high-end guns, and economical ones (such as the Savage).

This concept is also seen in bicycles: The braking mechanism used in Huffys can also be seen at the very highest quality bikes: Of course the Huffys system is not quite the quality of, say, what one would see on a Motobecane, but it does work well.

For the average guy that wants a good-shooting gun out of the box, and desires to save some money at the outset, I will be the first to stand behind anyone who chooses a Savage.

Now, later, when you want to get serious....

I better stop before this thread goes to spontaneous combustion again.

 

[iusmc2002]

I didn't mean to denigrate the 700. My personal experience with them has them batting about .500. The first I shot was unbelievably accurate! But it had a little work done to it by the Marine Corps Marksmanship Unit, so that may be an unfair example. The one I currently own is a Wally-World special, $500 approximately. And as stated before, I personally can't get it to shoot very well. I went through the "barrel break-in" procedure, because there are opposing views on it, I figured it couldn't hurt to try it. Don't think it helped. My 110 in .270 has 8-900 rounds through it with only 2 problems, and it still shoots fine to 200 meters. My 111 in 7mm has only 120 rounds through it, with no problems. On the Savages, I didn't do the break-in procedures. For the .270, I didn't know about it; and on the 7mm, I went with the opinion that it isn't needed. Only time will tell if I did the right thing with the 7mm.

I don't have the long-term experience with bolt rifles that Spitpatch does, so I don't qualify as an expert. But he said that "For the average guy that wants a good-shooting gun out of the box......" what would be the point beyond that? I guess I don't understand the next line "Now, later, when you want to get serious....." What does that mean? To be clear, I'm NOT trying to be rude, I don't have the experience you do Spit, so help me out here. Thanks!!

 

[eriknemily]

I didn't mean to denigrate the 700. My personal experience with them has them batting about .500. The first I shot was unbelievably accurate! But it had a little work done to it by the Marine Corps Marksmanship Unit, so that may be an unfair example. The one I currently own is a Wally-World special, $500 approximately. And as stated before, I personally can't get it to shoot very well. I went through the "barrel break-in" procedure, because there are opposing views on it, I figured it couldn't hurt to try it. Don't think it helped. My 110 in .270 has 8-900 rounds through it with only 2 problems, and it still shoots fine to 200 meters. My 111 in 7mm has only 120 rounds through it, with no problems. On the Savages, I didn't do the break-in procedures. For the .270, I didn't know about it; and on the 7mm, I went with the opinion that it isn't needed. Only time will tell if I did the right thing with the 7mm.

I don't have the long-term experience with bolt rifles that Spitpatch does, so I don't qualify as an expert. But he said that "For the average guy that wants a good-shooting gun out of the box......" what would be the point beyond that? I guess I don't understand the next line "Now, later, when you want to get serious....." What does that mean? To be clear, I'm NOT trying to be rude, I don't have the experience you do Spit, so help me out here. Thanks!!

I assume spit is referring to someone who wants to get into the custom rifle hobby. At which point a more established gun such as but not limited to the Rem 700 would be a better choice.

 

[gehrheart]

Buy the gun, then take it completely apart, throw most of it away (or sell trade ect.). Order a blank barrel from hart or Douglass or the like. Maybe a Jewel trigger. H-S- precision stock. Send the action out for truing and blueprinting. Maybe custom cerakote.
Really good smith to put it all together. Chamber for some odd wildcat cartridge so that you'll have to but $400 set of RCBS custom die to load it all up. Forgot the barrel fluting, custom brake or threaded end for suppressor. Oh and the light weight firing pin and spring kit.

Something like that.

I generally do it with mausers or P1917 actions.

 

[eriknemily]

Buy the gun, then take it completely apart, throw most of it away (or sell trade ect.). Order a blank barrel from hart or Douglass or the like. Maybe a Jewel trigger. H-S- precision stock. Send the action out for truing and blueprinting. Maybe custom cerakote.
Really good smith to put it all together. Chamber for some odd wildcat cartridge so that you'll have to but $400 set of RCBS custom die to load it all up. Forgot the barrel fluting, custom brake or threaded end for suppressor. Oh and the light weight firing pin and spring kit.

Something like that.

I generally do it with mausers or P1917 actions.

Exactly the reason I will buy a Savage that has acceptable accuracy, trigger pull etc. out of the box All I need it to do is poke a hole in whatever I'm aimed at.

 

[browntown]

7mm for coastal deer? Gheez, go to a local pawn shop and buy an old marlin 336 in 30-30. The ammo is cheap enough out of the box that you don't need a friend that reloads for the yearly hunt. Find a leupold or burris scope on ebay (even if it breaks, both companies will warranty non-original purchasers forever), and go sight that baby in.