Anti-gunners endgame?

[RobMa]

Could this be a workaround to eventual confiscation and dismantling of our Second Amendment rights?
You be the judge…

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[3MTA3]

The end game is to send all dissidents and other non desirables to concentration camps for disposal. No different than any other group of socialists or communists. The only thing remotely satisfying is that the useful idiots will be among the first to hit the firing squads or gas chambers.

 

[Andy54Hawken]

The end game is to prohibit all firearm ownership.

This is done by :

Restrictions on:
Gun parts , magazines and ammo types...
Where one can buy the above...
Places where one can go shoot...

Fees , taxes and other charges placed on firearm and ammo sales, Concealed carry permits , and the like...

Limits on the amount of ammo or parts one can buy at a time..

So called safe storage laws....you know , those laws , where a stranger tells you what you must do inside of your house with your firearms....

Background checks on private sales....more "red tape" to wade through to own a firearm....

The pushing of certain views of firearms and firearm owners..

Any of the above can and will be used to deprive you of your ability to own firearms...
All without the need to ban any gun or even confiscate firearms...
And no one is taking away your guns with the above methods...So no need to worry bout the 2A at all.
( in the anti-gunners eyes )

Make it difficult enough to legally obtain and use firearms...and folks will quit doing so.
Or so goes my theory...

This is not to forget all the laws banning , restricting and limiting firearms already in place.

Nor is any of the above...any good at stopping criminals from getting or using firearms...
It is perfect , however for a gradual disarming and pushing a dislike of firearms on the law abiding public.

So the endgame...is total disarmament , one step at time , no matter how long it takes or what Rights it takes away.
Andy

Edit to add :
The above is not to be taken as a Andy have given up on guns or fighting to keep them...
Its just a pointing out of things that I learned and experienced with my love of firearms and firearm ownership.

 

[Aero Denezol]

At minimum, the goal is UK-style gun control. They say it is to "save lives", but really, it is so they can install broad sweeping social reforms without having to look over their shoulder. The State will become a powerful central feature of everyone's day to day existence... The Christian ethic will be replaced by the hive mind.

 

[RobMa]

The end game is to prohibit all firearm ownership.

This is done by :

Restrictions on:
Gun parts , magazines and ammo types...
Where one can buy the above...
Places where one can go shoot...

Fees , taxes and other charges placed on firearm and ammo sales, Concealed carry permits , and the like...

Limits on the amount of ammo or parts one can buy at a time..

So called safe storage laws....you know , those laws , where a stranger tells you what you must do inside of your house with your firearms....

Background checks on private sales....more "red tape" to wade through to own a firearm....

The pushing of certain views of firearms and firearm owners..

Any of the above can and will be used to deprive you of your ability to own firearms...
All without the need to ban any gun or even confiscate firearms...
And no one is taking away your guns with the above methods...So no need to worry bout the 2A at all.
( in the anti-gunners eyes )

Make it difficult enough to legally obtain and use firearms...and folks will quit doing so.
Or so goes my theory...

This is not to forget all the laws banning , restricting and limiting firearms already in place.

Nor is any of the above...any good at stopping criminals from getting or using firearms...
It is perfect , however for a gradual disarming and pushing a dislike of firearms on the law abiding public.

So the endgame...is total disarmament , one step at time , no matter how long it takes or what Rights it takes away.
Andy

Edit to add :
The above is not to be taken as a Andy have given up on guns or fighting to keep them...
Its just a pointing out of things that I learned and experienced with my love of firearms and firearm ownership.

Hit the nail on the head!

 

[RobMa]

At minimum, the goal is UK-style gun control. They say it is to "save lives", but really, it is so they can install broad sweeping social reforms without having to look over their shoulder. The State will become a powerful central feature of everyone's day to day existence... The Christian ethic will be replaced by the hive mind.

"We are socialist borg!"

 

[Soli]

The end game was, is and always will be to prohibit all firearm ownership.

When I got that it made picking a side easy.

 

[RobMa]

At minimum, the goal is UK-style gun control. They say it is to "save lives", but really, it is so they can install broad sweeping social reforms without having to look over their shoulder. The State will become a powerful central feature of everyone's day to day existence... The Christian ethic will be replaced by the hive mind.

We've been seeing a push for bigger government and a more controlling government for sometime now, it's just becoming more apparent and the power grabbers aren't trying to hide it as much.

 

[Aero Denezol]

We've been seeing a push for bigger government and a more controlling government for sometime now, it's just becoming more apparent and the power grabbers aren't trying to hide it as much.

That's right. We saw that with Covid and the Federal payments. Lots of people are enjoying the free ride and don't mind big government. Meanwhile it takes 45 minutes to get a coffee at the airport because nobody wants to work.

I just got an email from one of my Senators about the recent PNW heat wave. It is "unacceptable", he says. The solution? More government.

Anything to "save lives". That is their calling card. If it only saves one (1) life it is worth it.

 

[RobMa]

I don't know what's worse, the constant push to take away more of our money to give it to everyone else, to make everyone dependent upon government and seize more power over us or the fact that they think that were so stupid that we don't realize what they're doing in general.

 

[Aero Denezol]

I don't know what's worse, the constant push to take away more of our money to give it to everyone else, to make everyone dependent upon government and seize more power over us or the fact that they think that were so stupid that we don't realize what they're doing in general.

I think too many people are walking around numb and don't care.

 

[Andy54Hawken]

What is worse...?
For me at least its :

The seemingly never ending series of just one more law , ban , restriction , requirement etc...that is forced upon law abiding gun owners.
I am tired and done with being the one who gives up something...and getting nothing in return , except more of the same sh!t I don't like in the first place.
Andy

 

[Jonnyuma]

I don't know what's worse, the constant push to take away more of our money to give it to everyone else, to make everyone dependent upon government and seize more power over us or the fact that they think that were so stupid that we don't realize what they're doing in general.

All currently in play and interdependent on each other.

And people, namely progressive Democrats, are cheerleading the whole thing.

Ideology can be a pretty sick thing.

 

[RobMa]

All currently in play and interdependent on each other.

And people, namely progressive Democrats, are cheerleading the whole thing.

Ideology can be a pretty sick thing.

"Ideology can be a pretty sick thing."


Yea.... just like in Germany 194.........

 

[Soli]

Counterintuitive, especially for the minority who are 'naturally' (don't know how else to put it) comfortable with choice, is the fact that it's easy to be enslaved and difficult to be free. IMO that goes a long way to explain... lol, everything. Really, what's going on today re: .gov hand outs, ideology, etc.

From an old interview with a Soviet dissident:

Sharansky: Well, first of all, once I was out, I enjoyed continuing to live as a free person and those who think that it is easier to live as a free person in our world than in prison, they are wrong. In the free world, suddenly there are thousands of choices. You can waste all your life on making different choices and losing perspective. [In prison] the aim there — you had a vertical understanding of what is good and what is bad, and where your friends are. So it makes, in fact, your life very easy and very clear and with one strategy. In our daily life, we have thousands of possible strategies — to choose the one which gives you a lot of meaning in your life is not so simple. But I enjoy continuing the life of a free person.

It's a great interview. Worth reading.

 

[The Heretic]

Control of the populace

Cannot be accomplished without disarmament.

Therefore, the endgame is disarmament of the populace, putting most of the power in the hands of the "rulers".

 

[Jonnyuma]

"Ideology can be a pretty sick thing."


Yea.... just like in Germany 194.........

I cannot remember a time in history, even in 1930s-1940s Germany when citizens were begging the government to restrict their rights, at least not in the US.
Maybe in the early days of the Soviet Union? Communist China? Cuba?

These "Worker's Revolutionaries" always lead with class warfare and public safety as premises and gullible morons (useful idiots) gobble it up and and clamor for their own subjugation. Those who resist are purged.

We are being purged.
It's rhetorical (for now) because we're still willing to resist... but what happens when the Constitution fails to provide protection? When the BoR is completely disregarded for the good of the republic? Will we still stand tall, or hide in an attic until they come for us? Unlike the persecuted in NAZI-held eastern Europe, NOBODY is coming to help us.

 

[RobMa]

I cannot remember a time in history, even in 1930s-1940s Germany when citizens were begging the government to restrict their rights, at least not in the US.
Maybe in the early days of the Soviet Union? Communist China? Cuba?

These "Worker's Revolutionaries" always lead with class warfare and public safety as premises and gullible morons (useful idiots) gobble it up and and clamor for their own subjugation. Those who resist are purged.

We are being purged.
It's rhetorical (for now) because we're still willing to resist... but what happens when the Constitution fails to provide protection? When the BoR is completely disregarded for the good of the republic? Will we still stand tall, or hide in an attic until they come for us? Unlike the persecuted in NAZI-held eastern Europe, NOBODY is coming to help us.

I was referring to the "shaping" of the germen peoples mindset. Just like what is happening here, certain groups want to "shape" American's mindset to get the endgame that they want...

 

[ZA_Survivalist]

Well.. they are on the fast track to controlling all free speech. Im sure in another 20 years firearms may fall that way too despite all out efforts to halt their overreach.

 

[Jonnyuma]

I was referring to the "shaping" of the germen peoples mindset. Just like what is happening here, certain groups want to "shape" American's mindset to get the endgame that they want...

Yes, and they're using the exact same methods used by the best of the best; NAZIs and communists.

The left's playbook has always been class warfare. American Democrats used to use economic disparities as their fulcrum but they lost that argument for good in the 80s.
That's when they pivoted to identity politics using race and sex. Then, later, sexual status (for lack of a better term) to divide. LGBTQAI+ etc, trans, and the rest
Sure... they still use economic disparity as a wedge, but they use it in terms of race. There are only a scant few fringe-y types who still view communism as a viable economic/social system. They're LOUD about it, but most people aren't that stupid.
Hitler convinced a lot of people that, post WWI, Germany's failure to thrive was the fault of the Jews. Using the prerequisite "victim/oppressor" binary (from which stem ALL leftist policies) he successfully sowed the idea that the majority was being oppressed by the minority by means of economic suppression. Lenin, Marx, Mao, and Castro managed the same thing and turned the majority against the ruling class(es) in their respective counties.

To your point, it's good to remember that Venezuela voted in socialism under Chavez. He shaped the messege and they responded. They're sorry now but are powerless to resist at this point and are destined to a "rough patch" until they manage (another) revolution. Our modern American leftists want to feel that sort of power. The dupes on their side will be dispatched even more quickly that their enemies.