Aloha man arrested for detonating dry-ice bombs

[Redcap]

What a bunch of crap.

 

[ZachS]

it would come down to how Oregon courts define the words "explosive" and "bomb," not the federal definition of a destructive device:

166.382 Possession of destructive device prohibited; exceptions. (1) A person commits the crime of unlawful possession of a destructive device if the person possesses:
(a) Any of the following devices with an explosive, incendiary or poison gas component:
(A) Bomb...

"Dry ice" didn't come up in a quick search of Oregon cases, so maybe this guy will want to see if the Court of Appeals thinks that dry ice bombs either aren't "explosive" or aren't "bombs." The Court would look at cases in other jurisdictions and the dictionary definitions of the words in question, and since it's presumably made up of a bunch of people who either don't play with dry ice bombs or haven't for a long time, it probably wouldn't be too kind to our poor defendant.

 

[trainsktg]

About 2AM one night many decades ago, we chucked a 2-liter pop bottle filled with metal nuts (for ballast) and liquid nitrogen overboard. The whole back end of the sub surged upwards about half a foot when it exploded. Looked just like a mini depth charge. Woosh!

Keith

 

[marty8587]

This whole thing sounds like a bunch of carp. We have heard of no one hurt. it seems like someone having some fun, no worse than firecrackers that are commonly ignored by Police.

 

[techieguy]

Hopefully they Washington does have the same penial code as Cali...
CAL. PEN. CODE § 12301
(6)Any sealed device containing dry ice (CO2) or other chemically reactive substances assembled for the purpose of causing an explosion by a chemical reaction.

 

[pchewn]

Hopefully they Washington does have the same penial code as Cali...
CAL. PEN. CODE § 12301
(6)Any sealed device containing dry ice (CO2) or other chemically reactive substances assembled for the purpose of causing an explosion by a chemical reaction.

When CO2 changes from a solid (dry ice) to a gas, it is a phase change -- not a chemical reaction. This is a poorly written law.


A better way to write this law would be: "Any sealed device assembled for the purpose of causing an explosion."

 

[The B]

its freaken stupid as all crap any which way. people should be able to shred plastic bottles any freaken way they want. stupid jackass laws, stupid jackass lawmakers.

 

[rufus]

Similar situation involving stupidity:

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By: Scott McCabe
Examiner Staff Writer
August 17, 2010

Two fire-breathing bartenders face up to 45 years in prison each for performing flaming bar tricks.

Jimmy's Old Town Tavern owner Jimmy Cirrito said his bartenders have been entertaining his customers -- by juggling bottles of alcohol and spitting out streams of flames using matchbooks and lighters -- for more than a decade and no one's complained. But shortly after midnight on July 24, two of his longtime employees were hauled out of the Herndon bar in handcuffs and charged with three felonies each plus other misdemeanors

"They were being treated as if they were terrorists, charged as if they intentionally tried to burn down the tavern," Cirrito said.

Fairfax County fire investigators charged Tegee Rogers, 33, of Herndon, and Justin Fedorchak, 39, of Manassas, with manufacturing an explosive device, setting a fire capable of spreading, and burning or destroying a meeting house. They also were charged with several state fire code misdemeanors.

Both men have worked at the tavern nearly since it opened. They both recently became fathers and are very anxious about facing serious criminal charges, Cirrito said.

Jimmy's Old Town Tavern bartenders have performed the fire-breathing act for 13 years, at first doing the tricks on special occasions like birthdays or to honor a fallen fireman, police officer or soldier, Cirrito said. By 1999, the fire-breathing bartenders had become a Friday midnight tradition, he said. The bar uses the fire-breathing bartenders on its advertisements.

Cirrito said an investigator told him that the marshals received a letter in the mail with a photo taken of a previous performance at the bar.

Cirrito said he has never received a warning from the fire marshals, and he would have stopped if marshals had given him a warning.

"But I don't think we've doing anything wrong," he said. "There's a lot of fire in restaurants. I've been served flaming desserts, I've roasted marshmallows on tables, I've seen 75 candles and sparklers on cakes, and I've seen bartenders perform the tricks coast-to-coast and no one's been arrested."

 

[Redcap]

A better way to write this law would be: "Any sealed device assembled for the purpose of causing an explosion."

I hate that idea. Dry Ice bombs are perfectly legal currently. Why change that?

 

[CEF1959]

As with Tannerite, the legality of dry ice bombs in Oregon is an open question, as ZachS suggests above. [The federal definition of "destructive device" quoted by Trlsmn is irrelevant to the state charges here].

On the one hand, a dry ice bomb does make a loud noise as a result of expanding gas being released with explosive force (like a pipe bomb). On the other hand, so does a balloon if you keep blowing it up long enough.

I don't know how dangerous an exploding 2 liter bottle of dry ice would be, but I don't think I'd want a toddler to find it just before it went off. In Utah, possession of a dry ice bomb is reportedly a felony, and people do get hurt by them, especially when some numbskull uses a glass bottle. Dry ice bomb - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

 

[Siglvr]

One of our customers located in an industrial park uses their packaging foam. They put the foam making stuff into a plastic 2 liter empty coke bottle, add about a 1/4 cup of water, then toss it out into the parking lot. Takes a min or 2 and you can see the bottle plumping up like a ball park frank out there as folks keep edging backwards.

Now - understand that this is what they do on slow afternoons and they're all out there watching the show. (or they're racing remote controld cars around the same parking lot) The damn thing really goes boom. Much more than a large helium balloon would. I got a lot of that blowing up stuff out of my system as the guy in charge of EOD (Emergency Ordinance Destruct) specialist for my team in the ARMY, but it's still fun to watch it. They're not hurting anyone, and if they were to blow up one of their own fingers, not very likely, too bad. Sew it back on and move on.

Kids. Good times.

I personally believe that we have passed too many laws, it seems you can wind up in jail for farting in public anymore, and it's not just stupid and wrong, but damn costly to be locking up regular folks all the time.

 

[CEF1959]

I personally believe that we have passed too many laws, it seems you can wind up in jail for farting in public anymore, and it's not just stupid and wrong, but damn costly to be locking up regular folks all the time.

+1 Just because something could be dangerous in the hands of a nimrod doesn't mean it should be a crime. Especially fun things like spud guns, Tannerite, and dry ice bombs.

 

[cwegga]

One of our customers located in an industrial park uses their packaging foam. They put the foam making stuff into a plastic 2 liter empty coke bottle, add about a 1/4 cup of water, then toss it out into the parking lot. Takes a min or 2 and you can see the bottle plumping up like a ball park frank out there as folks keep edging backwards.

You can get a similare pop the bottle effect with an MRE heater and some water in a gatorade bottle. When I was about 13 a buddy and me really scared his dad by blowing the cap off a big bottle with multiple heaters. It went BOOM! and he came running out of the house faster than we thought he could. Probably not the safest thing but safer than my buddy choking me out till I turned blue when we were wrestling...:winkkiss:

 

[Trlsmn]

As with Tannerite, the legality of dry ice bombs in Oregon is an open question, as ZachS suggests above. [The federal definition of "destructive device" quoted by Trlsmn is irrelevant to the state charges here].

You found time for this and yet you ignored an open challenge here.

http://www.northwestfirearms.com/fo...rry-osu-oregon-state-campus-2.html#post267589

 

[jordanvraptor]

The new law will be ORS 666.666 - No fun allowed.