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honestly, I haven't serched the forum for other 922r threads. Maybe there are some already laying out the nitty gritty details of 922r.
My interest is piqued when I see classified ads and folks try and position the ad language and what they are selling around 922r.
Now - I am a simple man, think Forrest Gump... in reading 922r, you have to consider the Statute, Title, 18 USC 922 and the CFR that codifies the law in the nitty gritty details. The intent of 922r in the Statute is all about assembly.
Making it illegal to basically 'Radar O'Reilly' assemble State-side through imported foreign parts a gun that is otherwise illegal to import. It's nothing about owning or buying. If a gun is legally imported through a licensed
US importer and it is then legally purchased, there is no 922r compliance issues on that gun as purchased unless the importer screwed up.
Let's take the humble Saiga 7.62 (or .223 or your Saiga caliber of choice). The Saiga is built in Russia by the 'AK guys'. Of course you can't legally import an AK from Russia, so the Saiga is a modified AK made to look like a cute sporting rifle.
So Joe Sixpack, say me, buys one. A year goes by, I decide to sell it here in it's original unmodified as imported and sold form. There are no 922r issues. Nobody is buying a bag of imported parts and trying to assemble an
AK47 that would otherwise be illegal to import.
A simple example (again, consider the source - me).... Joe Twelve Pack (my brother) comes across a US made receiver for an otherwise banned for import gun. Joe Twelve has a the idea - gee, I gunna build me up a FASKAK (fake name)
black gun. And Joe goes down the path of using various shady connections to pull together all the parts he needs and most of these parts were imported or are parted from previously illegal guns. Joe's intent is to skirt the law and build
him up an otherwise banned gun. He is assembling in the pure definition and intent of 922r.
Say Joe Twelve gets away with it and later sells the illegally assembled gun to Ken Klueless. Ken is shooting at his local range, gets the attention of Danny Dogooder who calls the authorities who come to inspect Ken's gun.
BATF wants a poster child to scare people about 922r. Can they prosecute Ken? He did no assembling. And he proves this. And he fingers Joe TwelvePack as the seller. Given all the facts come out, BATF has a case against Joe T, not Ken.
The original Saiga buyer has no issues either.
So if someone is selling an unconvereted Saiga on this forum, and for illustrative purposes the Saiga was legally imported and legally purchased, the FM seller or buyer have no 922r issues. Even if the seller is including magazines for said
Saiga that have a foreign sounding name to them. Nobody is assembling a rifle from foreign imported parts to skirt the law.
So... maybe I just don't get it, but 922r is not about supporting US economy or US vendors and ensuring that imported guns have a certain number of US made parts on them; it's all about some yahoo trying to 'Radar O'Reilly' an
otherwise illegal gun by obtaining it piecmeal from foreign sources and assembling it stateside - to skirt the import laws.
My interest is piqued when I see classified ads and folks try and position the ad language and what they are selling around 922r.
Now - I am a simple man, think Forrest Gump... in reading 922r, you have to consider the Statute, Title, 18 USC 922 and the CFR that codifies the law in the nitty gritty details. The intent of 922r in the Statute is all about assembly.
Making it illegal to basically 'Radar O'Reilly' assemble State-side through imported foreign parts a gun that is otherwise illegal to import. It's nothing about owning or buying. If a gun is legally imported through a licensed
US importer and it is then legally purchased, there is no 922r compliance issues on that gun as purchased unless the importer screwed up.
Let's take the humble Saiga 7.62 (or .223 or your Saiga caliber of choice). The Saiga is built in Russia by the 'AK guys'. Of course you can't legally import an AK from Russia, so the Saiga is a modified AK made to look like a cute sporting rifle.
So Joe Sixpack, say me, buys one. A year goes by, I decide to sell it here in it's original unmodified as imported and sold form. There are no 922r issues. Nobody is buying a bag of imported parts and trying to assemble an
AK47 that would otherwise be illegal to import.
A simple example (again, consider the source - me).... Joe Twelve Pack (my brother) comes across a US made receiver for an otherwise banned for import gun. Joe Twelve has a the idea - gee, I gunna build me up a FASKAK (fake name)
black gun. And Joe goes down the path of using various shady connections to pull together all the parts he needs and most of these parts were imported or are parted from previously illegal guns. Joe's intent is to skirt the law and build
him up an otherwise banned gun. He is assembling in the pure definition and intent of 922r.
Say Joe Twelve gets away with it and later sells the illegally assembled gun to Ken Klueless. Ken is shooting at his local range, gets the attention of Danny Dogooder who calls the authorities who come to inspect Ken's gun.
BATF wants a poster child to scare people about 922r. Can they prosecute Ken? He did no assembling. And he proves this. And he fingers Joe TwelvePack as the seller. Given all the facts come out, BATF has a case against Joe T, not Ken.
The original Saiga buyer has no issues either.
So if someone is selling an unconvereted Saiga on this forum, and for illustrative purposes the Saiga was legally imported and legally purchased, the FM seller or buyer have no 922r issues. Even if the seller is including magazines for said
Saiga that have a foreign sounding name to them. Nobody is assembling a rifle from foreign imported parts to skirt the law.
So... maybe I just don't get it, but 922r is not about supporting US economy or US vendors and ensuring that imported guns have a certain number of US made parts on them; it's all about some yahoo trying to 'Radar O'Reilly' an
otherwise illegal gun by obtaining it piecmeal from foreign sources and assembling it stateside - to skirt the import laws.