80% lower theoretical ?

[balline36m3]

If an assault weapon ban was put into effect how would that effect 80% lowers? Would you still be able to make a firearm from them? Just a theoretical question. Thanks guys

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[Modeler]

Depends on the wording of the theoretical AWB.

 

[mkwerx]

Theoretically it doesn't matter what the law is if a person so motivated wished to make a firearm, had access to the proper metals and tools. There's a great You Tube video of a guy making an AK out of a shovel he bought at Home Depot.

As for the legality - it depends how this theoretical AWB is written - but if it banned new semi autos - you're probably screwed from legally making one from an 80% lower - because that 80% lower was not built into a complete lower before the law was enacted and you're thusly making a new gun. Now since home made guns aren't required to be serialized or on the books of an FFL - good luck proving when the thing was built unless the government had someone watching you build the thing and knew exactly when it happened. Just remember that unserialized guns you build can't be transferred to anyone else (not that you want to anyway.)

What happens in your machine shop, stays in your machine shop.

The availability of guns probably won't ever be a problem - even with draconian laws. AMMO to feed those guns, will be another story. Look how hard ammo was to find a year ago - with no new gun laws. And of course you won't likely take any of those guns out and actually shoot/practice with them even if you have ammo - because gunfire can draw a lot of unwanted attention, and you won't take your potentially unlawful semi automatic freedom rifle to a public range if they're banned.

 

[cookie]

As long as the same old mainstream politicians keep on getting reelected and the moron voters keep on blindly choosing socialist politicians we can count on guns being banned, The subjects of the new world order won't need guns for any reason. Remember many gun owners voted for Obama twice and didn't "feel Obama was anti gun when record proves he is.

 

[Bam]

If a weapons ban happens that will probably result in a civil war happening in this country.

I doubt the legality of a 80% lower would matter at that point.

 

[40calruler]

Well those of us who have grown up with guns and know our backyards have a pretty good advantage if anything goes down. Lots of military would turn to gun owners side and I do not think they would want to push for a war against a good percentage of Americans.
Knowing our military history we do not do so great in gorilla warfare which is what it would be on the anti gun bans side. Many of my friends in the military and police departments say they would not uphold an order to disarm the general public. I guess only time will tell how true that is. Hopefully we never find out.

 

[the4thshake]

The shovel ak is one of my favorites. I'm not sure if it has been posted here before but here is the link.

http://www.northeastshooters.com/vbulletin/threads/179192-DIY-Shovel-AK-photo-tsunami-warning!

 

[John H]

. Just remember that unserialized guns you build can't be transferred to anyone else (not that you want to anyway.)

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Since when?? Unless the ATF changed something recently .

 

[mkwerx]

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Read the ATF letter on the subject. To transfer a firearm made from an 80% lower the firearm must be inscribed with a serial number, builders name and their location. You cannot transfer a gun made after 1968 that has no serial number or even a firearm produced before 1968 if it had a serial number that has been defaced altered or removed. Its a min 5 years in club Fed if you are caught.

 

[John H]

Link inop. Get a 404 error code

 

[mkwerx]

Try this link then, from the ATF FAQ: click the question above the "Glock conversion kit" question.

http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/firearms-technology.html#commercial-parts-assembly

 

[Mr Smith]

if you want to sell a gun made from a 80% lower, sell everything but the lower... then hold on to it or melt it down after you have stripped all of the parts off and sold them off.

easy enough?

 

[John H]

Try this link then, from the ATF FAQ: click the question above the "Glock conversion kit" question.

http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/firearms-technology.html#commercial-parts-assembly

Yeah read that, but it said "it should". Doesn't say it is required. Where does it state it in the actual law?

 

[mkwerx]

How about a letter from the ATF stating thusly:

page 1 (http://www.victorinc.com/images/ATF's AMD-65 Response - Pg 1.jpg)
page 2 (http://www.victorinc.com/images/ATF's AMD-65 Response - Pg 2.jpg)

I've reached the limit of how much I care about this subject, or doing research for others. The ATF has stated clearly in multiple letters and documents and pointed to the CFRs that any firearm made after the GCA 68 was implemented must be serialized and properly marked to be legally transferred. I was trying to save someone potential headache and legal trouble down the road. Spending 5-15 years in Club Fed isn't my idea of a good time, nor is loosing my rights by becoming a felon. If you want to build and transfer a gun with no markings - do what you want and what you believe to be legal. I hope the jury would side with you.

 

[cascadianliberty2012]

A real "turn in your guns" AWB would prompt the revolution, that's why it hasn't been done yet. Even just a few percent "shooting back" would be enough.