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80% lower theoretical ?

Discussion in 'General Firearm Discussion' started by balline36m3, Jun 14, 2014.

  1. balline36m3

    balline36m3 Yakima WA Active Member

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    If an assault weapon ban was put into effect how would that effect 80% lowers? Would you still be able to make a firearm from them? Just a theoretical question. Thanks guys
     
  2. Modeler

    Modeler Molalla, Oregon Soccer Fan

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    Depends on the wording of the theoretical AWB.
     
  3. mkwerx

    mkwerx Forest Grove, OR Well-Known Member

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    Theoretically it doesn't matter what the law is if a person so motivated wished to make a firearm, had access to the proper metals and tools. There's a great You Tube video of a guy making an AK out of a shovel he bought at Home Depot.

    As for the legality - it depends how this theoretical AWB is written - but if it banned new semi autos - you're probably screwed from legally making one from an 80% lower - because that 80% lower was not built into a complete lower before the law was enacted and you're thusly making a new gun. Now since home made guns aren't required to be serialized or on the books of an FFL - good luck proving when the thing was built unless the government had someone watching you build the thing and knew exactly when it happened. Just remember that unserialized guns you build can't be transferred to anyone else (not that you want to anyway.)

    What happens in your machine shop, stays in your machine shop.

    The availability of guns probably won't ever be a problem - even with draconian laws. AMMO to feed those guns, will be another story. Look how hard ammo was to find a year ago - with no new gun laws. And of course you won't likely take any of those guns out and actually shoot/practice with them even if you have ammo - because gunfire can draw a lot of unwanted attention, and you won't take your potentially unlawful semi automatic freedom rifle to a public range if they're banned.
     
  4. cookie

    cookie THE SOCIALIST STATE OF KALI - FORNIA Well-Known Member

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    As long as the same old mainstream politicians keep on getting reelected and the moron voters keep on blindly choosing socialist politicians we can count on guns being banned, The subjects of the new world order won't need guns for any reason. Remember many gun owners voted for Obama twice and didn't "feel Obama was anti gun when record proves he is.
     
  5. PDXoriginal

    PDXoriginal PNW Well-Known Member

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    If a weapons ban happens that will probably result in a civil war happening in this country.

    I doubt the legality of a 80% lower would matter at that point.
     
  6. 40calruler

    40calruler Lake Oswego Well-Known Member

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    Well those of us who have grown up with guns and know our backyards have a pretty good advantage if anything goes down. Lots of military would turn to gun owners side and I do not think they would want to push for a war against a good percentage of Americans.
    Knowing our military history we do not do so great in gorilla warfare which is what it would be on the anti gun bans side. Many of my friends in the military and police departments say they would not uphold an order to disarm the general public. I guess only time will tell how true that is. Hopefully we never find out.
     
  7. the4thshake

    the4thshake Portland Active Member

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  8. John H

    John H Whatcom County Well-Known Member

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    Since when?? Unless the ATF changed something recently .
     
  9. mkwerx

    mkwerx Forest Grove, OR Well-Known Member

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    http://www.hoffmang.com/firearms/BAT...2004-11-09.pdf

    Read the ATF letter on the subject. To transfer a firearm made from an 80% lower the firearm must be inscribed with a serial number, builders name and their location. You cannot transfer a gun made after 1968 that has no serial number or even a firearm produced before 1968 if it had a serial number that has been defaced altered or removed. Its a min 5 years in club Fed if you are caught.
     
  10. John H

    John H Whatcom County Well-Known Member

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    Link inop. Get a 404 error code
     
  11. mkwerx

    mkwerx Forest Grove, OR Well-Known Member

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  12. Mr Smith

    Mr Smith 54 68 65 20 73 74 69 63 6b 73 Active Member

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    if you want to sell a gun made from a 80% lower, sell everything but the lower... then hold on to it or melt it down after you have stripped all of the parts off and sold them off.

    easy enough?
     
  13. John H

    John H Whatcom County Well-Known Member

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  14. mkwerx

    mkwerx Forest Grove, OR Well-Known Member

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    How about a letter from the ATF stating thusly:

    page 1 (http://www.victorinc.com/images/ATF's AMD-65 Response - Pg 1.jpg)
    page 2 (http://www.victorinc.com/images/ATF's AMD-65 Response - Pg 2.jpg)

    I've reached the limit of how much I care about this subject, or doing research for others. The ATF has stated clearly in multiple letters and documents and pointed to the CFRs that any firearm made after the GCA 68 was implemented must be serialized and properly marked to be legally transferred. I was trying to save someone potential headache and legal trouble down the road. Spending 5-15 years in Club Fed isn't my idea of a good time, nor is loosing my rights by becoming a felon. If you want to build and transfer a gun with no markings - do what you want and what you believe to be legal. I hope the jury would side with you.
     
  15. cascadianliberty2012

    cascadianliberty2012 DPR Portland Well-Known Member

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    A real "turn in your guns" AWB would prompt the revolution, that's why it hasn't been done yet. Even just a few percent "shooting back" would be enough.