1 part question, 2 parts rant

[bbbass]

I'm just the opposite. I won't sell face to face because of the hassle.

But IMO, many would be sellers are confused about the regs regarding shipping. And many buyers don't want to bear the costs, and many FFLs don't want to deal with it so they charge high fees. It's all a PITA, so now I just give away my guns to family... much easier!!!

 

[ColeInOregon]

Unless you go with a money order, you run the risk of someone cancelling a cc, but you also run the risk of a list package and one party getting upset.

I don't ship until the money is in my account. Also I know it happens but the chance of lost package seems pretty small, I've been shipping and receiving online purchases for years, mostly climbing gear but also archery equipment, chainsaws, and other expensive items still nothing has been lost.

 

[Mikej]

Hey BRO, how you been? Been thinking about making a trip out your way. Got any interesting guns?

 

[P7M13]

Don't like it? May I suggest Armslist, Auction Arms, Gunbroker, Sturmgewehr or any of the many other sites out there.
I've also driven 800 miles one way for a deal.
Someone doesn't want to ship to you? Next !

 

[oremike]

The part I don't understand is that you don't even need to leave your house to ship, box up item, print label('s), arrange pick up with carrier, give to driver when they come to pickup.

That may be true for casual stuff, but I own an ammo business and have to take my freight to the UPS depot to ship, no home pick up and no UPS store. I do box and label it here, but pay the freight at the depot.

 

[Bam]

Tried it once, I was the seller, shipped gun to a recommend "reputable" FFL", long story short, there was an issue with the buyer's background check and I didn't get my gun back timely. The buyer said deal with the FFL, not his problem anymore. FFL wouldn't respond to calls. Made the long drive to the FFL, found my pistol in their used gun case.

Told the FFL am reporting the gun stolen and filing a complaint against their FFL with the ATF.... I eventually got my pistol back.

Swore I would never ship an FFL item ever again, I don't care if the buyer is reputable or the FFL recommend.

 

[Member 34319]

We live in an Amazon world of have it now, shipped to your door.

Didn't used to be like this.

Unfortunately, it is and I can see how folks have come to expect things in that manner.

I have shipped a couple, every time it was an absolute mess of $h1t. So now, I'm a firm NO when it comes to shipping. You want it bad enough, you can come to me. I have ZERO remorse for this decision and I DGAF if you don't like it. It saves me the headaches and such. I've never found that I couldn't sell something here because of this either. Sure, I might get a POd individual that gets really butt hurt that I won't reduce the price because they need to "drive" to me or that I won't ship it to them, but at the end of the day the item will sell.

 

[Bill Siegle]

Shipping is just plain expensive! The last handgun I shipped was via UPS and ran $80. Add that to the price of the gun and it's no longer a deal for the buyer. Unless the gun is a rare bird, it just doesn't make sense. Add in the BS of now having to deal with two other parties in the transaction (shipper and receiving FFL). The risk of problems goes up. I prefer FTF at a local FFL and a quicker transfer from mine to yours.

 

[Gbirk]

You mail me the cash in an envelope, and I'll mail the gun. Any other way of transferring the money is too much risk.

If shipping a gun is so easy and risk free, then sending me cash in an envelope should be fine.

 

[pogi]

Most people would rather spend 4-hours in a car and gas money instead of paying for shipping is what I have determined.

 

[No_Regerts]

I've had the exact opposite experience. I've never had a single issue from shipping a gun. But I've been stood up, had people fail background checks, and have been subpoenaed over local deals gone wrong.

Also, this site doesn't have the accountability built into it like some others. If you screw with someone on the other site, they WILL find out who you are and you'll get a visit from someone.

 

[pogi]

Certified bank check, MO, or Zelle and a hold. Never had a problem at all. The problem is with people using credit cards who do not have a pot to piss in.

 

[No_Regerts]

Certified bank check, MO, or Zelle and a hold. Never had a problem at all. The problem is with people using credit cards who do not have a pot to piss in.

And insure the gun! That covers about all the bases.

 

[Gbirk]

And insure the gun! That covers about all the bases.

If you have ever tried to get shipping insurance to pay out you would probably have a different opinion.

 

[solv3nt]

Tried it once, I was the seller, shipped gun to a recommend "reputable" FFL", long story short, there was an issue with the buyer's background check and I didn't get my gun back timely. The buyer said deal with the FFL, not his problem anymore. FFL wouldn't respond to calls. Made the long drive to the FFL, found my pistol in their used gun case.

Told the FFL am reporting the gun stolen and filing a complaint against their FFL with the ATF.... I eventually got my pistol back.

Swore I would never ship an FFL item ever again, I don't care if the buyer is reputable or the FFL recommend.

I'm confused, if the buyer paid you, it's their problem....

 

[Nosferatu]

I haven't sold anything in about 10 years, but now that you can't have 'true' FTF transactions in WA anymore, I don't see the point of driving all day in bubblegumming traffic to meet up at some gunshop where the employees talk to you like you're a 5 year old only to have to get back into even worse traffic than what you started in.

My time and patience is worth more than that to me. I'd just prefer UPS come gets the damn thing and gets it out of my life.

 

[Certaindeaf]

There are people that will purchase a well stocked firearm from a gun store and then when they get home will complain that the crown is ganked, the sights canted, there's machining errors, the stock pulls their neckbeard and the action galls.. how the f they think that vetting a gun from a photograph is possible is beyond me.

 

[No_Regerts]

There are people that will purchase a well stocked firearm from a gun store and then when they get home will complain that the crown is ganked, the sights canted, there's machining errors, the stock pulls their neckbeard and the action galls.. how the f they think that vetting a gun from a photograph is possible is beyond me.

As a seller, it's my reputation on the line. As a gunstore employee, they just work there.

 

[Certaindeaf]

As a seller, it's my reputation on the line. As a gunstore employee, they just work there.

Well, by rights, a NIB gun is a NIB gun hence the only recourse would be with the manufacturer or choosing another one.

 

[Bam]

I'm confused, if the buyer paid you, it's their problem....

Not when they do a charge back.