Would you support a ban on semi-automatic weapons and ammunition?

[Lesliet]

"When a place gets crowded enough to require ID's, social collapse is not far away. It is time to go elsewhere." Probably my favorite Heinlein quote. Now, if only we had space travel...

 

[NeoBlackdog]

"When a place gets crowded enough to require ID's, social collapse is not far away. It is time to go elsewhere." Probably my favorite Heinlein quote. Now, if only we had space travel...

Elon's workin' on it!

 

[oregonferret]

The problem with this discussion is that you have people that hate guns, thinking that taking away guns will solve the problem. So then someone runs through the school with a sword, torches the place, runs over kids with a truck, etc.

On the other hand the majority of gun owners, fake tough guys that are out of shape, never shoot, nor have the moral integrity to run into a Walmart and take down an active shooter, much less a squad of National Guardsman trying to take their guns during Katrina, it's moot.

I know for fact the 2nd amendment is toast. The govt has put a hold on ammo imports and curtailed Winchester, PMC, etc. Getting your weapons is just a matter of time. Since most Americans are essentially a ward of the govt...via services, programs, medical care, few can, or are willing to stand on principle, as they are dependent and paid off.

You've seen the gun turn in in tough guy Australia. The Brits are ok to get knifed and not be armed. Canada's guns are going away.
Mexico won't let people defend themselves against the cartels...500k dead.

Essentialy owning a gun these days is a risk. If you use it, expect the DA to try and charge you with something unless you have it on tape the guy was running at you with a knife, blood in his eyes,, etc.

Something like this that never hit the Juwsa media?

Not Just Sandy Hook: China’s Terrifying Knife Attacks

As the gun-control debate resurfaces in the U.S., knife attacks at schools in China continue unabated.

www.thedailybeast.com

Or Chris Kyle and his buds on the US Bank building smashing looter's with rifle's?

 

[RobMa]

 

[oregonferret]

It is important that we know who they are....

 

[Flopsweat]

Something like this that never hit the Juwsa media?

Not Just Sandy Hook: China’s Terrifying Knife Attacks

As the gun-control debate resurfaces in the U.S., knife attacks at schools in China continue unabated.

www.thedailybeast.com

Or Chris Kyle and his buds on the US Bank building smashing looter's with rifle's?

That story was all over the place. From the interview footage, I have no idea whether he's saying he personally shot 38 people or the group did. Then, when asked again, he said "who knows". I don't think you can believe anything out of that story. They could have shot 0 people or 100 for all you can tell.

 

[oregonferret]

38 killed in the neighborhood, Not that he did the shooting.
He was drunk dealing with it and let it slip out.

I talked to Chris and what he told me was way worse around the bank building..

 

[American123]

As a teacher, WAY before I care about a competency test to own guns I'm interested in a competency test to have children. Way to many little babies being churned out into the world by the absolute lowest dregs and dumbest people in society who will do a terrible job raising them, a terrible job providing for them, and perpetuate the cycle further.

I'm only being facetious, partly…

 

[40Garand]

Around 59 years ago was my last time hunting animals for food. Every hunter I knew owned and used a bolt action rifle and strictly iron sights. Some owned shotguns but quite often a pump or break was borrowed. All other types were available then, but no one could afford the expense or extravagance. At that time showing up with a semi-automatic rifle would be met with derision (perhaps fueled by envy) since it seemed like a poor alternative to the dead reliable bolt action.

Christ, here comes the back when ice cream was a nickel speech. This isn't 59 years ago! It's 2022, animals shoot back now and I like options.

 

[VanceInWA]

As a teacher, WAY before I care about a competency test to own guns I'm interested in a competency test to have children. Way to many little babies being churned out into the world by the absolute lowest dregs and dumbest people in society who will do a terrible job raising them, a terrible job providing for them, and perpetuate the cycle further.

I'm only being facetious, partly…

I'm emotionally aligned with your sentiments, but not rationally. Allowing the government to filter who or who may not have children is way, waaaay too Big Brother. However, you are on the right track: Parents are the heart of the problem in the United States. Parents are failing their children. Parents are the root cause for deterioration of our country. To counter that deterioration, parents should be required to ANNUALLY attend a two-week training requirement while they have children in grades K-12. Sound too tough? Then don't have children! Parents should be required to receive training on how to better their parenting skills, how to effectively interface with teachers, how to spot signs of psychological problems in their children and what to do about it, how to productively work with the school administration and board, which support programs may be accessed for troubled children, etc. Until this country takes parenting seriously don't expect real solutions in American society.

 

[Flopsweat]

I'm emotionally aligned with your sentiments, but not rationally. Allowing the government to filter who or who may not have children is way, waaaay too Big Brother. However, you are on the right track: Parents are the heart of the problem in the United States. Parents are failing their children. Parents are the root cause for deterioration of our country. To counter that deterioration, parents should be required to ANNUALLY attend a two-week training requirement while they have children in grades K-12. Sound too tough? Then don't have children! Parents should be required to receive training on how to better their parenting skills, how to effectively interface with teachers, how to spot signs of psychological problems in their children and what to do about it, how to productively work with the school administration and board, which support programs may be accessed for troubled children, etc. Until this country takes parenting seriously don't expect real solutions in American society.

Required? And who decides who does the training? You see the problem in that, right?

 

[sobo]

As a teacher, WAY before I care about a competency test to own guns I'm interested in a competency test to have children. Way to many little babies being churned out into the world by the absolute lowest dregs and dumbest people in society who will do a terrible job raising them, a terrible job providing for them, and perpetuate the cycle further.

I'm only being facetious, partly…

I'm emotionally aligned with your sentiments, but not rationally. Allowing the government to filter who or who may not have children is way, waaaay too Big Brother. However, you are on the right track: Parents are the heart of the problem in the United States. Parents are failing their children. Parents are the root cause for deterioration of our country. To counter that deterioration, parents should be required to ANNUALLY attend a two-week training requirement while they have children in grades K-12. Sound too tough? Then don't have children! Parents should be required to receive training on how to better their parenting skills, how to effectively interface with teachers, how to spot signs of psychological problems in their children and what to do about it, how to productively work with the school administration and board, which support programs may be accessed for troubled children, etc. Until this country takes parenting seriously don't expect real solutions in American society.

You both raise interesting points, and I agree emotionally with both of you as well. However, the idea of forcing "parents" to attend annual training smacks to me of yet more Big Guv overreach. Who will be these supposed experts on parenting? Who gets to choose these experts that will "train" these parents? You see the pitfalls with this approach, yes?

As an analogy, would you be OK with Big Guv mandating that every firearms holder attend annual firearms safety training? I know I wouldn't be...

 

[Bobbygun]

You both raise interesting points, and I agree emotionally with both of you as well. However, the idea of forcing "parents" to attend annual training smacks to me of yet more Big Guv overreach. Who will be these supposed experts on parenting? Who gets to choose who these experts are that will "train" these parents? You see the pitfalls with this approach, yes?

As an analogy, would you be OK with Big Guv mandating that every firearms holder attend annual firearms safety training? I know I wouldn't be...

Oh c'mon maaaaan! What could possibly go wrong? The government comes up with some "critical gun safety theory", and some "critical parenting theory" = problems solved. Am I right?

But, yeah. On a certain level it's easy to agree with Vance and A123. Too slippery a slope though.

 

[ma96782]

Never Forget.

I find it ironic that it takes a group of immigrants (mostly Koreans or Korean-Americans) to stand up.

Where were the Police?

Awwwwww.......Come On Man.
It's NOT the Police Dept's responsibility to safeguard "YOU or the COMMUNITY."
The Police Dept just provides a GENERAL service. Live in the "wrong part" of the community? Well, sorry.

OK, Ok, ok......I get it.

So? Why is the Govt trying to dis-arm Americans?

Aloha, Mark

PS.....another one.

 

[Mikej]

Who will be these supposed experts on parenting?

They don't need to teach the parents. Most parents willingly turn their children over to the government to train the KIDS! Same difference?

 

[VanceInWA]

You both raise interesting points, and I agree emotionally with both of you as well. However, the idea of forcing "parents" to attend annual training smacks to me of yet more Big Guv overreach. Who will be these supposed experts on parenting? Who gets to choose these experts that will "train" these parents? You see the pitfalls with this approach, yes?

As an analogy, would you be OK with Big Guv mandating that every firearms holder attend annual firearms safety training? I know I wouldn't be...

Yes, of course the content of training is critical to determine, but getting into those weeds must follow the central decision point: making parents do better. Because parenting is obviously getting worse with the status quo. And just to emphasize, this annual two-week parental training requirement is not a unique idea, other countries are already forcing that requirement on parents. Other countries recognize that parents are the heart of national improvement, and they take the issue of quality parenting seriously. Contrast that serious approach with the United States. Parenting in this country is, on the whole, failing our children. Something has to change, parenting has to change, or the downhill slide will continue...

 

[ma96782]

Speaking of a Slippery Slope.

Gun User Fees/Taxes?
Gun Registration and/or Permits?
Waiting Periods?
Universal BGC?
BGCs that were supposed to be completed in a "reasonable" amount of time. And then, there was that delay and the excuses.
Yearly Qualifications to own or carry?
Insurance requirements?
Arsenal Requirements and Inspections?
Permits for ammo?
Etc.....etc......

BUT, But, but.......
Why are we gun owners sooooo "Reasonable?"
Oh yeah......it's right there in the Constitution.

Huh?

The 2nd Amendment according to the Liberals..…

"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed, unless some Politician says it's reasonable and makes common sense to them."

Aloha, Mark

 

[Will_White]

Yes, of course the content of training is critical to determine, but getting into those weeds must follow the central decision point: making politicians do better. Because gun violence is obviously getting worse with the status quo. And just to emphasize, this annual two-week firearm training requirement is not a unique idea, other countries are already forcing that requirement on people. Other countries recognize that gun legislation
Is the heart of national improvement, and they take the issue of quality gun control seriously. Contrast that serious approach with the United States. Gun legislation in this country is, on the whole, failing our children. Something has to change, gun laws have to change, or the downhill slide will continue...

 

[bbbass]

Mass killings cannot be stopped, but why give the killer the advantage of a weapon which cycles quickly, carries multiple rounds, and can be reloaded easily? Sure, a pump, revolver, lever, or bolt action will kill but no way it can even come close to a semi.



I carry a semi or revolver for personal protection. I would happily give up the semi if it would lead to a (slow) reduction in the availability of that type of weapon.



When I use to hunt, absolutely no one carried a semi-automatic rifle since this would result in mocking their marksmanship or competence with a firearm. The goal was always one shot and done.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

 

[sobo]

Yes, of course the content of training is critical to determine, but getting into those weeds must follow the central decision point: making parents do better. Because parenting is obviously getting worse with the status quo.

Again, I ask, "Who will devise this content and choose these parenting "experts" to teach the parents?" Will it be the Leftist academia that is so good at instilling socialist/communist values into our children? Are we now going to put them in charge of teaching parents how to parent? Or will it be extremist religious folks from the other end of the spectrum that will instill hard-core religious fanaticism into the parents? All it takes is which administration is in power at the time of the project initiation to determine this. Are you comfortable with that scenario? I know I wouldn't be...

And just to emphasize, this annual two-week parental training requirement is not a unique idea, other countries are already forcing that requirement on parents. Other countries recognize that parents are the heart of national improvement, and they take the issue of quality parenting seriously. Contrast that serious approach with the United States. Parenting in this country is, on the whole, failing our children. Something has to change, parenting has to change, or the downhill slide will continue...

The fact that "other countries are already forcing that requirement" upon their parental population is pretty telling, don't you think? Do you enjoy having your government force you to do things that may be against your own best judgment? Are you comfortable with your government forcing you to follow its curriculum for how to teach your children? I know I wouldn't be... That slope is far too slippery for me. YMMV...