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Why the hate?

Discussion in 'Legal & Political Archive' started by simon99, Dec 22, 2013.

  1. simon99

    simon99 Central Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Gun control efforts are largely a culture-war offensive by liberals who dislike the parts of America that own guns and love guns. This meddling motivation shines through in the rhetoric of gun control advocates and in the laws they push.

    For many gun owners, the firearm is not merely a tool for the practical purpose of self-defense. Nor is it simply recreational equipment, like a golf club. It's a cultural signifier, and a totem of a worldview.

    Dan Baum, a Jewish liberal who wears turtlenecks but also owns guns, writes in his new book, "Gun Guys," that firearms in America have long represented "a worldview that, broadly defined, valued the individual over the collective, vigorous outdoorsiness over pallid intellectualism, certainty over questioning ... "

    The gun's symbolism is strong for the gun culture, and it's just as strong for the gun control culture. Recall how liberals have argued for gun laws since the Sandy Hook massacre last December.

    Chris Matthews, host of MSNBC's "Hardball," asserted that gun rights advocates aren't "normal people," they have no "other interests," and they are uninterested in their wives or kids.

    After Sandy Hook, when liberals wrote and spoke about guns and geography, rather than about on poverty-filled cities where gun violence is concentrated, they typically focused on the South. "The South is the most violent region in the United States," a Washington Post article proclaimed.

    Congressman Charlie Rangel, D-N.Y., said in January, "Some of the southern areas have cultures that we have to overcome."

    MSNBC contributor Joy Reid wrote on Twitter in December that she was "getting a little tired of this meme that we have to have the rural South's permission to legislate on guns. The Union won. Get over it."

    Wherever they live, gun owners are unwashed, flag-waving, philistines -- at least in the eyes of many liberals.

    The Post's Gene Weingarten in 2011 spat on the Second Amendment as "the refuge of bumpkins and yeehaws who like to think they are protecting their homes against imagined swarthy marauders desperate to steal their flea-bitten sofas from their rotting front porches."

    After Columbine, a Boston Herald op-ed described the average participant in a 1999 Boston Common pro-gun rally as a wannabe "hicksville cowboy, as in way out there, somewhere off the Mass Pike or at the far reaches of 93. From towns with something to prove and lots of Amvets posts."

    And President Obama in 2008 famously told a wealthy crowd at a San Francisco fundraiser that rural voters "get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy toward people who aren't like them ... "

    Well, the "antipathy toward people who aren't like them" clearly is mutual.

    In "Gun Guys," Baum -- a true-blue liberal -- says that what gun control "did best was express disapproval of a lifestyle and the culture that enjoyed it."

    Liberals, Baum writes, "recognized the gun as the sacred totem of the enemy, the embodiment of this abhorrent world view. They believed that they could weaken the enemy by smashing his idols -- by banning the gun if possible ... "

    Many liberals hate it that some conservatives have a different set of values, morals and aesthetics -- and so these liberals want to use the federal government to fix that.

    This comes across in the proposed legislation, too. Why do Democratic politicians go after semi-automatic rifles like the AR-15, so-called "assault rifles"? It's not because AR-15s are used in most killings -- they aren't. Rifles represent 3 percent of all gun deaths where the weapon is known, according to FBI data. The 1994 "assault weapons ban" did little or nothing to save lives.

    There are two reasons to target AR-15s, and neither is good. First, "assault weapons" are used in mass killings, which are both more newsworthy and more realistic-seeming to a white suburbanite. Second, AR-15s are, by far, the favorite gun of legal gun buyers.

    "Assault rifles," writes Baum, "were just as powerful symbolically as they were ballistically. A renewed assault-rifle ban would really smash the enemy's idols."

    Also, when speaking about sales without background checks, gun controllers always refer to "gun shows." Most guns used in murders aren't bought at gun shows -- they're stolen or bought on the street. But gun shows are large gatherings of the "gun tribe" -- and so they must be shut down.

    The White House clearly realizes that gun control can become a culture war, and so Obama has taken steps to diffuse this perception. He put Joe "Six Pack" Biden in charge of the effort and tried to rope in Wal-Mart.

    Gun control, it turns out, is largely culture control.
     
  2. Dunerunner

    Dunerunner You'll Never Know Well-Known Member

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    I agree with this analysis entirely! It should appear on the front page of every news paper and magazine, on every nightly news report and be broadcast hourly on every radio station in the country.
     
  3. Mark W.

    Mark W. Silverton, OR Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    I agree but I remember how liberals have been arguing for gun control since the summer of 1968 when they used Martian Luther Kings and Robert Kennedys killings as a reason to enact all sorts of laws none of which would have changed either event.
     
  4. WAYNO

    WAYNO Oregon City Gold Supporter Gold Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Interesting, and I agree. But even within the pro-gun culture, there is huge cultural division, not because it's real, but because it's perceived.

    I've been a blue collar worker in a forest products industry ever since I left the Army nearly 40 years ago. I fish and hunt, and I have been very pro-active in the gun rights community. I campaign for conservatives, and I campaign against liberals. It breaks my heart to see how the liberal valley commands the entire state.

    But, just because I live in the valley, I am still despised by most folks east of the mountains. I wish these folks would realize that roughly 49% on this side of the mountains are not your enemy. We fight for the same causes. Too bad we can't fight from the same camp.

    WAYNO.
     
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  5. simon99

    simon99 Central Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Hi Wayno,

    though I obviously can't speak for everyone this side of the mountains....be assured that most know its just the pockets of idiocy that exist in the PDX / Eugene area and not everyone as a whole. We love ya man!
     
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  6. rick benjamin

    rick benjamin USA, Or, Damascus Secure the drama Silver Supporter 2016 Volunteer

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    Skakel killed Martha with a golf club (Kennedy Family recreation?).
    The gun's symbolism is strong for the gun culture (symbolism? Ha, Ha, Ha!)
    Gun owners are unwashed, flag-waving, philistines (flag waving? I'm offended! Does anyone care?).
     
  7. OcelotZ3

    OcelotZ3 Corvallis Active Member

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    Shouldn't this have a link to the original article vs. a copy/paste without attribution?
     
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  8. AMProducts

    AMProducts Maple Valley, WA Jerk, Ammo Manufacturer Silver Supporter

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    Wherever it came from, pretty good article. The 2nd amendment is a major consideration when I vote, but it's not the only consideration, but at the same time it tends to be a bellweather of how that candidate feels about most of the other issues I care about.

    At the same time, I don't care as much about party, I realize there are pro-gun democrats and anti-gun republicans. The thing that really seems to get lost is the issue linkage between the far anti-government left, and the far anti-government right. I still think the right/left paradigm is one that's intended to divide, not one that actually exists.
     
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  9. simon99

    simon99 Central Oregon Well-Known Member

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  10. Blitzkrieg

    Blitzkrieg WA Well-Known Member

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    If the system would be fair we could just say that minority filled cities in this era are centers for violence
     
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  11. simon99

    simon99 Central Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Link added below...sorry.
     
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  12. ZA_Survivalist

    ZA_Survivalist Oregon AK's all day.

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    They absolutley hate when the tables are turned and you mention the fact that they are bigots.

    The liberal word "bigot" was conceived to punish, embarrass and ostracize those that don't agree with the progressive agenda.
     
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    U201491 Well-Known Member

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    Fixed that last line .....
    Great article simon99 great article.
     
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    U201491 Well-Known Member

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    And a primary tool in the Alinsky book of subversion (Rules for rrrrradicals)
     
  15. Blitzkrieg

    Blitzkrieg WA Well-Known Member

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    Everyone was shocked and stunned when the little Chinese boy blurted out that the Emperor was naked, but he really was
     
  16. 41Slinger

    41Slinger Harrisburg Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Again, just look at history and you'll see that the first to go are the unarmed masses, the media who supported the unarming etc. etc. etc. It's so simple. People who will take security over freedom apparently will never understand. One of the things we talked about in hunter ed. was the 10%, 80%, 10% people. 10% pro gun, 10% anti gun and the 80% who really don't care one way or another unless you impact them in some form such as shooting signs, garbage at shooting sites etc. When this happens you end up with the media saying "hunters shot up signs". Ethical hunters wouldn't do this but now it's reflected on them and now you impact the 80%. It becomes massively important. This is the same effect the liberal media is attempting with Sandy Hook, etc. I know I'm preaching to the choir but just sayin. Nice article simon99.
     
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    revjen45 Snohomish County Well-Known Member

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    Actually, I would be eternally grateful if desperate swarthy marauders would steal my flea-bitten sofas from the rotting front porch. It would save me a trip to the dump.
     
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  18. Audrey

    Audrey Willamette Valley Active Member

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    This is an extremist point of view. I'm a liberal but I'm also pro-gun. I have mainly liberal friends and a majority of them are also pro-gun. Just as the media misrepresents gun owners as crazy war mongers they misrepresent the concept that liberals hate guns. Guns are not a conservative cultural icon. Liberals also founded this country along side conservatives.
     
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    slingshot1943 salem or Well-Known Member

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    If it wasn't for conservatives you wouldn't have gun rights. It's pretty silly to say you are pro gun after you have voted to put anti-gun libs in office.
     
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  20. rick benjamin

    rick benjamin USA, Or, Damascus Secure the drama Silver Supporter 2016 Volunteer

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    Audrey
    You've taken the first step to rational thought. Wait!, you think we're joined at the hip?!