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As a small example, I looked at gunbroker last night at primers. There was a guy with 20k up across multiple separate ads (these were only the active ads mind you). He found a way to insert himself into the normal distribution chain and create a little dam where he siphoned off a significant number of primers into his hands, and he then turns around and sells them at obscene prices because of the shortages in the normal distribution channels he and others like him have created. He added no wealth to the economy -- rather, he helped create a shortage in order to profit from it. That makes him a rent seeking leach engaging in destructive capitalism.

I find the above interesting because I DO have at least 20K assorted primers. Also several 8 lb kegs of powder, but not enough bullets to load that many primers and bullets. Need brass of course, but one way or another....

I was also going through some 50-60-year-old gun magazines and was reading an article by John Wooters that started "Last night I told my wife that I would never let my supply of primers fall below 10,000 ever again..." during the great primer spamdemic of whatever.

Now did Mr. Wooters (a rather well-known gun writer back in the day)
"insert himself into the normal distribution chain and create a little damn where he siphoned off a significant number of primers"? While I don't know about Mr. Wooters, but I sure didn't. I bought mine at then-current prices and the seller was delighted to see me, had much more he was more than willing to sell at that price, told me to come back if I wanted more, and no one was bothered that I bought a tiny amount (it wasn't tiny to ME! In fact, it was a goodly chunk of my monthly income that I saved up for some time for) of what that seller was offering. Same with the powder, "Want more? We got lots more if you want it!"

There was no scamdemic going on, anyone else could have just as easily done the same (in fact I DID encourage everyone I knew to buy as much as they could at that time, in the following months, the months following those, over and over and over, for years, no one did of course) instead of buying a boat, a big-screen TV, or some other useless consumer good(s) that I am sure added wealth to the economy, just like my buying primers did. When the primer supply got "low", I bought more, at going rates and no one seemed concerned I was buying as many primers all at once as they normally sold in...., not sure how many days/weeks/months, but no one seemed to bat an eye, and I was told me to "come back tomorrow if you want more! We got plenty!" So obviously I wasn't creating a "little damn" in the supply chain.

Every payday I went to the wally and bought a brick of .22s, and a box of two or three different CF cartridges I shot at that time. Month after month, year after year. So that wasn't a "little damn" cutting off the free flow of ammo either. And yes, I told everyone else to do the same, and just as communism is evil, and Donald is getting the election stolen from him by the deep state, no one else did.

Now it seems the people who I told over and over and over to buy primers, powder, bullets, and ammo for years, until they were sick of hearing it, are all calling me and saying "Say, you bought up all those primers, powder, and all that ammo.... could you spare a box/brick/whatever at the price you paid for it back in the day?" when I ask why they didn't buy, back in the day, when they told me they were tired of hearing that they needed to go to the store and buy like I was doing, well they either have no reply or get all huffy and puffy about it, when they were making more money than I was at the time. So no, I do NOT feel bad about telling the grasshopper he can pay going rates for it if he wants/needs it.
 
I find the above interesting because I DO have at least 20K assorted primers. Also several 8 lb kegs of powder, but not enough bullets to load that many primers and bullets. Need brass of course, but one way or another....

I was also going through some 50-60-year-old gun magazines and was reading an article by John Wooters that started "Last night I told my wife that I would never let my supply of primers fall below 10,000 ever again..." during the great primer spamdemic of whatever.

Now did Mr. Wooters (a rather well-known gun writer back in the day)
"insert himself into the normal distribution chain and create a little damn where he siphoned off a significant number of primers"? While I don't know about Mr. Wooters, but I sure didn't. I bought mine at then-current prices and the seller was delighted to see me, had much more he was more than willing to sell at that price, told me to come back if I wanted more, and no one was bothered that I bought a tiny amount (it wasn't tiny to ME! In fact, it was a goodly chunk of my monthly income that I saved up for some time for) of what that seller was offering. Same with the powder, "Want more? We got lots more if you want it!"

There was no scamdemic going on, anyone else could have just as easily done the same (in fact I DID encourage everyone I knew to buy as much as they could at that time, in the following months, the months following those, over and over and over, for years, no one did of course) instead of buying a boat, a big-screen TV, or some other useless consumer good(s) that I am sure added wealth to the economy, just like my buying primers did. When the primer supply got "low", I bought more, at going rates and no one seemed concerned I was buying as many primers all at once as they normally sold in...., not sure how many days/weeks/months, but no one seemed to bat an eye, and I was told me to "come back tomorrow if you want more! We got plenty!" So obviously I wasn't creating a "little damn" in the supply chain.

Every payday I went to the wally and bought a brick of .22s, and a box of two or three different CF cartridges I shot at that time. Month after month, year after year. So that wasn't a "little damn" cutting off the free flow of ammo either. And yes, I told everyone else to do the same, and just as communism is evil, and Donald is getting the election stolen from him by the deep state, no one else did.

Now it seems the people who I told over and over and over to buy primers, powder, bullets, and ammo for years, until they were sick of hearing it, are all calling me and saying "Say, you bought up all those primers, powder, and all that ammo.... could you spare a box/brick/whatever at the price you paid for it back in the day?" when I ask why they didn't buy, back in the day, when they told me they were tired of hearing that they needed to go to the store and buy like I was doing, well they either have no reply or get all huffy and puffy about it, when they were making more money than I was at the time. So no, I do NOT feel bad about telling the grasshopper he can pay going rates for it if he wants/needs it.
Amen, good post.
 
Wow had no idea I been buying ammo (I only buy rimfire and shotshell) since the early early 80's always more then I needed at the time. Many times just cause it was a good deal like seeing a Brick of Winchester shorts in the Yellow box for $40 at a gun show. Or a Brick of Blazer at Bi Mart for $18.00 Shot shells for $5-8 a box. Same with Powder and Primers I now have WAY more then I should in anyone place. But every primer I bought I bought to use. Even if I could get 10 times what I paid for them (which it sounds like I easily could for some of them) I wouldn't sell. Cause then I wouldn't have them. I can put my future money towards something else I need. I do wish I had bought up more bullets over the years as I am still buying them when I can.
 
Been an entertaining read, I learned the first time back in the Obama election in 08 was to not get caught with my pants down again. I used to just buy ammo when I wanted to go shooting. What I didn't figure out till about a year and half ago is that I needed to reload. I got caught behind the eight ball again kinda. I learned for the past to bulk up quickly while things were good and I did my best.
Recently last week I just spend $80 on a box of 1000 small pistol match primers from a local gun store, that is about my limit lol. I have noticed I can find 44mag components very easily so I'll be shooting a lot more of that I think till I can bone up some more components. Even though I had a relatively short time to buy components I have about 15-17k in primers just from buying weekly while things were good. I used to do the same with ammo, buy it weekly.
 
If a guy spent 200, 300 dollars on a brick of primers, he must have needed them. He got his primers, someone made some money. I bet if someone put a post in wanted section , they would buy a brick of primers for 30.00 they would go without. As I said before, stock up when things are cheap and all of this can be avoided.
 
I've spent way to much on primers lately. I've (ashamed to say) spent as much as $50.00 per brick over the last two months. I've got more than I may use in a couple of years and I keep 3 or 4 thousand reloaded .223/5.56 on hand. My point is, I've been trading 9mm for things I need and I've sold some 9mm also. I've not gouged anyone. Yes I've made a little bit by selling 9mm for .32 to .34 per round, but compared to some on here I feel like I'm doing a public service! Plus, I like all the peeps I've meet on the NWFA forum. I won't spend a hund on primers, I'll quit shooting first.
 
I only have one AR-15, I assembled it as a project. I mostly reload 9 mm and plan on getting into 7.5 Swiss. However, having small rifle primers means I can load .223 for 30 cents a round as opposed to factory ammo prices of maybe a buck a round. Friends trying to buy primers from me want them for the sale price from last year. Why would I take $30/1000 (a price that I can get at any time for them) when there is the potential to save $500-700 in costs by keeping them? There are multiple reasons for the primer shortage but one is that some buyers do not recognize the value they have to current owners. They are worth more than 3 cents each right now by every rational measure.

So buyers still want them for pre shortage prices, owners like me are not willing to risk running out of supplies for the small amount of money people want to pay for them. Thus the shortage.

People who want you to sell your supply at prices well below market demand aren't friends - they're leaches.
 
Quick question: who here thinks there should be a law to set a price limit on primers? Anybody? Anybody at all?

Didn't think so.

Being called a socialist for merely having an opinion? Doesn't hold water...

By the way, I have absolutely no problem with someone selling their stocked components that they bought during the good times, for whatever the market will bear. That is adding to the available supply, and that's a good thing. If someone wants to sell what they have for current Bimart price, that's generous and kind, but I would never ask or expect someone to. You could stand in line at Bimart for a month and not get any.

I think post #33 by awshoot is the best post on this thread! Very well put.
 
Quick question: who here thinks there should be a law to set a price limit on primers? Anybody? Anybody at all?

Didn't think so.

Being called a socialist for merely having an opinion? Doesn't hold water...

By the way, I have absolutely no problem with someone selling their stocked components that they bought during the good times, for whatever the market will bear. That is adding to the available supply, and that's a good thing. If someone wants to sell what they have for current Bimart price, that's generous and kind, but I would never ask or expect someone to. You could stand in line at Bimart for a month and not get any.

I think post #33 by awshoot is the best post on this thread! Very well put.
I think post #33 by awshoot is the best post on this thread! Very well put.
Hyperbole is a time honored way of making a point. Seriously, you commies have zero sense of humor.
 
I remember offering 5000 here briefly before having some folks tell me I was being a bad person for wanting $60 per 1000 .. I pulled my ad and kept em, based on what I have heard from people I know in the industry this shortage will last well into the middle of next year. I am not going to have problem loading ammo and shooting, I have components
 
I remember offering 5000 here briefly before having some folks tell me I was being a bad person for wanting $60 per 1000 .. I pulled my ad and kept em, based on what I have heard from people I know in the industry this shortage will last well into the middle of next year. I am not going to have problem loading ammo and shooting, I have components
I got my post flagged and removed from another site for asking $55. Later buyers tracked me down and demanded that price, I said Primers, what primers?
 
Reading this thread led me to check what primers I had on hand. I found a couple of hundred small rifle primers. I thought I had a 1000 tucked away, but I probably sold them a while back when I decided I didn't care to reload 223/5.56.
What I did find was the nearly 1500 small pistol magnum primers I'd stashed when I didn't even have a gun that would use them. I have that gun now. :D

In general, I'm not opposed to selling stuff I don't use (if you checked my house and shop you'd say I need to sell a lot more!), especially if I've been sitting on it for a while. Right now even the powder I don't plan on using is staying put because it's an ok substitute, but if I find that brick of SR primers, you all will know!
 
... I would never let my supply of primers fall below 10,000 ever again...

That's a pretty grievous mistake to make in WA:
Considering the risk of overstorage of primers in WA is the lifetime loss of one's gun rights, I choose to not risk that sort of consequence and so I have no option of storing 20K primers legally. Now if you live in a place where it is legal to have 20K, and you didn't just buy them because you thought you could drive up the price and make a rent seeking profit -- good on you. I wish I lived in such a place I could do that. But that is not what I suspect is true of most of the primers I see on Gunbroker. I would expect many of the sellers are skirting or outright breaking laws, adding nothing to the economy, and are pure vultures. Zero respect for that.

EDIT: also note in WA we are limited to 5 pounds of black powder, 25 pounds of smokeless with no special containment, or 50 pounds if we have it stored in a box made of 3/4" plywood (*). Early this year I built that box when I saw what was coming and stocked up on powder. I also meticulously kept track of my primers. There was one point I was madly priming .223s to make room for 2k SPPs that I had ordered so that when they got to me, I'd be legal.

(*) https://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=70.74.340
 
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Seems to me with that market "Bearing" all these primers, and other supplies, at 2- 3-5 times the purchase price, that some of that extra cash rolling in would be flowing into the web-site that makes all that market "Bearing" possible? Hmmm?
 
That's a pretty grievous mistake to make in WA:
Considering the risk of overstorage of primers in WA is the lifetime loss of one's gun rights, I choose to not risk that sort of consequence and so I have no option of storing 20K primers legally. Now if you live in a place where it is legal to have 20K, and you didn't just buy them because you thought you could drive up the price and make a rent seeking profit -- good on you. I wish I lived in such a place I could do that. But that is not what I suspect is true of most of the primers I see on Gunbroker. I would expect many of the sellers are skirting or outright breaking laws, adding nothing to the economy, and are pure vultures. Zero respect for that.

EDIT: also note in WA we are limited to 5 pounds of black powder, 25 pounds of smokeless with no special containment, or 50 pounds if we have it stored in a box made of 3/4" plywood (*). Early this year I built that box when I saw what was coming and stocked up on powder. I also meticulously kept track of my primers. There was one point I was madly priming .223s to make room for 2k SPPs that I had ordered so that when they got to me, I'd be legal.

(*) https://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=70.74.340

So do the Primer police come and inspect your house?

Asking for a friend.
 
So do the Primer police come and inspect your house?

Asking for a friend.
I guess this might be a problem if your house caught on fire and it would be a way out for your insurance company not to cover you as you were breaking the law. Or your house gets raided and they were looking for any reason to arrest you because you're on some list somewhere.
Either way it's good to know about the primer amount.
 

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