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I don't think people slam EVs. People slam the misinformation surrounding them. EVs are basically causing people to slam the owners of regular combustion engine cars. Threatening violence even!
Are you going to be able to afford those batteries when they go bad? What is it, about 10 year lifespan? Will you be able to get 120,000-150,000 miles out of the batteries? Or the other extremely expensive parts that may go out. And then there's the sourcing issues of horribly toxic substances from horrible parts of the world that treat their citizens like possesions rather than free humans.
One of my customers got a Tesla. I'd have to say I was very impressed. I didn't get a ride in it, but thought the interior was interesting, other than having to look away from the road to view the instrument panel, which is completely smooth so you can't tell where wipers and heater, etc are, without looking away from the road. And a refreshing lack of all the bling that most other luxury priced cars might have!
I'd likely likely never own one because when I travel, I get away from the main road if possible. And like a vehicle, that with minimal care could cart your butt around for close to 200,000 miles without major expense.

I'd have a question for you? Say you want/need, to drive to LaGrande in January? A nice big weather system came through with 30 mph winds and 25 degrees. How often are you going to have to stop and charge? And do get to keep the cab warm, wipers running and lights on during the trip?

Bottom line for me is. And not specifically to you. Let EVs come to their own among Americans and quit trying to shove that crap down our throats! I'll be done driving, likely, and be off the roads in less than 30 years . Let me enjoy the rest of my life as I see fit!
First off, let me say that I don't care what other people drive as long as they're happy with their choice. Mandates not only suck, but they're counter-productive as well. So politically, we're on the same page.

Next, let's address some urban myths going around about EVs. If I drive from Camas to Lagrande in January, I imagine I'll make one stop to charge, maybe more if my bladder can't handle the drive. I'll have the heat on toasty and enjoy the drive. Summer time I'd need to charge for 17 minutes in Boardman--which is shorter than I'll need to stretch my legs and grab a drink or lunch. In January I'll probably need to charge for 25 minutes, just about what I'll need anyway for me. With an EV, you plug in and walk away, your phone lets you know when you're done. In the three years I've been driving an EV I've spent a grand total of less than an hour waiting on the car--and I've waisted zero time filling up around town. My car is always "full" before I leave home. When I go fishing in Garibaldi, I don't charge on the road at all. Plenty of juice to get over the coast range there and back with plenty to spare when I get home.

Early Teslas did have an issue with battery life--which were almost all replaced under warranty. I'm active on the Tesla forums, and hearing about a failed battery not covered under warranty is exceedingly rare. I'm sure it happens, anything can fail. But in general you can expect to get about 500,000 miles out of your battery pack. If I were to get REALLY unlucky and have to fork out $10K for a pack after 150,000 miles, the cost would would still save me about $15K over having had to buy gas instead of electricity. (Assumptions: gas car =26 mpg @ $5 gallon, My EV about 4.2 miles/kwh @ 0.08/kwh. That's $28K for gas and $3K for electricity.) And that's only if I get unlucky. We're not even counting all of the money I'll save on oil changes, brake jobs and coolant changes. Plus, the beauty of minimal switches is that fewer hard to obtain switches to replace as the car ages. (If you've ever restored cars--I have--you know that switches fail and become very difficult or impossible to find.) Now we have to count in all of the major mechanical failures that ICE cars become prone to at 150K miles. No transmission to fail with a Tesla, and the motors are likely to run forever. No, by far a good EV is the cheapest car you can buy long term. If you want to see just how well a Tesla EV is built, I'd recommend watching Sandy Munro's teardown videos of the Tesla Model Y. He's one of the most renowned experts on cars and auto manufacturing, and companies like GM, Ford, Honda, Toyota, Porsche, Mercedes, etc pay many tens of thousands of dollars for his reports. 200,000 miles without major expense? I'm thinking more like 500,000 with my car. There's a LOT fewer expensive parts on an EV than on an ICE car.

As far as the instrument panel, there's not a lot you need to see with an EV compared to ICE. Just the speedometer compared to speed, tach, oil, and coolant temp with a gas car. My eyes can quickly flick to the speedo on my center panel just as fast as if it were centered. I taught instrument cross checks as an instructor pilot in the USAF as well as over 30 years flying commercially--including captaining international widebody passenger flights around the world. So I pretty much know what I'm talking about when it comes to instrumentation.

As far as the rare minerals used in production, yep, just like a lot of what we use in life. Tesla is working on sourcing a lot of that right here, and I'm not about to go back to living in a cave. If you really want to talk about that part of it, our use of oil is propping up the world wide price--and everyone knows terrorism is mostly paid for by petro-dollars. Not to mention Russia's war time fun. I'm not saying don't burn gas, hell I do. I still have a '92 Blazer to get out in the woods and to tow my gas powered boat around. I'm just saying it's more than a little silly to complain about lithium and etc mining while burning gasoline.

Drive whatever you want or need. An EV is perfect for me because it will outlast every ICE car I've ever owned, is fun as hell to drive, and is by far my cheapest option long term. Even if I have to buy a new battery pack--unlikely--that's still a lot cheaper than buying a new car at 150K.
 
Ever watch an EV pull out of a parking lot?
CREEPY! :eek:
??? Do you mean slow, LOL? My EV does 0-60 in 3.5 seconds, even if the road is wet. Very, very few cars keep up with me. A Hellcat can beat me at the track, but on the street no way is he going to get enough traction to keep up with me.
 
☝️That right there!☝️

Enough of this governemt madate shiit. Let me live my life in peace for the few years I might have left. Yeesh! :rolleyes:

Leftists... never satisfied unless they're telling you how you have to live your life... And even then, still not satisfied. :rolleyes:
Agreed completely. You drive what you want to, I'll drive what I want to, and let the free market decide which cars thrive and which fade into history.
 
First off, let me say that I don't care what other people drive as long as they're happy with their choice. Mandates not only suck, but they're counter-productive as well. So politically, we're on the same page.

Next, let's address some urban myths going around about EVs. If I drive from Camas to Lagrande in January, I imagine I'll make one stop to charge, maybe more if my bladder can't handle the drive. I'll have the heat on toasty and enjoy the drive. Summer time I'd need to charge for 17 minutes in Boardman--which is shorter than I'll need to stretch my legs and grab a drink or lunch. In January I'll probably need to charge for 25 minutes, just about what I'll need anyway for me. With an EV, you plug in and walk away, your phone lets you know when you're done. In the three years I've been driving an EV I've spent a grand total of less than an hour waiting on the car--and I've waisted zero time filling up around town. My car is always "full" before I leave home. When I go fishing in Garibaldi, I don't charge on the road at all. Plenty of juice to get over the coast range there and back with plenty to spare when I get home.

Early Teslas did have an issue with battery life--which were almost all replaced under warranty. I'm active on the Tesla forums, and hearing about a failed battery not covered under warranty is exceedingly rare. I'm sure it happens, anything can fail. But in general you can expect to get about 500,000 miles out of your battery pack. If I were to get REALLY unlucky and have to fork out $10K for a pack after 150,000 miles, the cost would would still save me about $15K over having had to buy gas instead of electricity. (Assumptions: gas car =26 mpg @ $5 gallon, My EV about 4.2 miles/kwh @ 0.08/kwh. That's $28K for gas and $3K for electricity.) And that's only if I get unlucky. We're not even counting all of the money I'll save on oil changes, brake jobs and coolant changes. Plus, the beauty of minimal switches is that fewer hard to obtain switches to replace as the car ages. (If you've ever restored cars--I have--you know that switches fail and become very difficult or impossible to find.) Now we have to count in all of the major mechanical failures that ICE cars become prone to at 150K miles. No transmission to fail with a Tesla, and the motors are likely to run forever. No, by far a good EV is the cheapest car you can buy long term. If you want to see just how well a Tesla EV is built, I'd recommend watching Sandy Munro's teardown videos of the Tesla Model Y. He's one of the most renowned experts on cars and auto manufacturing, and companies like GM, Ford, Honda, Toyota, Porsche, Mercedes, etc pay many tens of thousands of dollars for his reports. 200,000 miles without major expense? I'm thinking more like 500,000 with my car. There's a LOT fewer expensive parts on an EV than on an ICE car.

As far as the instrument panel, there's not a lot you need to see with an EV compared to ICE. Just the speedometer compared to speed, tach, oil, and coolant temp with a gas car. My eyes can quickly flick to the speedo on my center panel just as fast as if it were centered. I taught instrument cross checks as an instructor pilot in the USAF as well as over 30 years flying commercially--including captaining international widebody passenger flights around the world. So I pretty much know what I'm talking about when it comes to instrumentation.

As far as the rare minerals used in production, yep, just like a lot of what we use in life. Tesla is working on sourcing a lot of that right here, and I'm not about to go back to living in a cave. If you really want to talk about that part of it, our use of oil is propping up the world wide price--and everyone knows terrorism is mostly paid for by petro-dollars. Not to mention Russia's war time fun. I'm not saying don't burn gas, hell I do. I still have a '92 Blazer to get out in the woods and to tow my gas powered boat around. I'm just saying it's more than a little silly to complain about lithium and etc mining while burning gasoline.

Drive whatever you want or need. An EV is perfect for me because it will outlast every ICE car I've ever owned, is fun as hell to drive, and is by far my cheapest option long term. Even if I have to buy a new battery pack--unlikely--that's still a lot cheaper than buying a new car at 150K.


You like your EV. Kudos 👍
 
First off, let me say that I don't care what other people drive as long as they're happy with their choice. Mandates not only suck, but they're counter-productive as well. So politically, we're on the same page.

Next, let's address some urban myths going around about EVs. If I drive from Camas to Lagrande in January, I imagine I'll make one stop to charge, maybe more if my bladder can't handle the drive. I'll have the heat on toasty and enjoy the drive. Summer time I'd need to charge for 17 minutes in Boardman--which is shorter than I'll need to stretch my legs and grab a drink or lunch. In January I'll probably need to charge for 25 minutes, just about what I'll need anyway for me. With an EV, you plug in and walk away, your phone lets you know when you're done. In the three years I've been driving an EV I've spent a grand total of less than an hour waiting on the car--and I've waisted zero time filling up around town. My car is always "full" before I leave home. When I go fishing in Garibaldi, I don't charge on the road at all. Plenty of juice to get over the coast range there and back with plenty to spare when I get home.

Early Teslas did have an issue with battery life--which were almost all replaced under warranty. I'm active on the Tesla forums, and hearing about a failed battery not covered under warranty is exceedingly rare. I'm sure it happens, anything can fail. But in general you can expect to get about 500,000 miles out of your battery pack. If I were to get REALLY unlucky and have to fork out $10K for a pack after 150,000 miles, the cost would would still save me about $15K over having had to buy gas instead of electricity. (Assumptions: gas car =26 mpg @ $5 gallon, My EV about 4.2 miles/kwh @ 0.08/kwh. That's $28K for gas and $3K for electricity.) And that's only if I get unlucky. We're not even counting all of the money I'll save on oil changes, brake jobs and coolant changes. Plus, the beauty of minimal switches is that fewer hard to obtain switches to replace as the car ages. (If you've ever restored cars--I have--you know that switches fail and become very difficult or impossible to find.) Now we have to count in all of the major mechanical failures that ICE cars become prone to at 150K miles. No transmission to fail with a Tesla, and the motors are likely to run forever. No, by far a good EV is the cheapest car you can buy long term. If you want to see just how well a Tesla EV is built, I'd recommend watching Sandy Munro's teardown videos of the Tesla Model Y. He's one of the most renowned experts on cars and auto manufacturing, and companies like GM, Ford, Honda, Toyota, Porsche, Mercedes, etc pay many tens of thousands of dollars for his reports. 200,000 miles without major expense? I'm thinking more like 500,000 with my car. There's a LOT fewer expensive parts on an EV than on an ICE car.

As far as the instrument panel, there's not a lot you need to see with an EV compared to ICE. Just the speedometer compared to speed, tach, oil, and coolant temp with a gas car. My eyes can quickly flick to the speedo on my center panel just as fast as if it were centered. I taught instrument cross checks as an instructor pilot in the USAF as well as over 30 years flying commercially--including captaining international widebody passenger flights around the world. So I pretty much know what I'm talking about when it comes to instrumentation.

As far as the rare minerals used in production, yep, just like a lot of what we use in life. Tesla is working on sourcing a lot of that right here, and I'm not about to go back to living in a cave. If you really want to talk about that part of it, our use of oil is propping up the world wide price--and everyone knows terrorism is mostly paid for by petro-dollars. Not to mention Russia's war time fun. I'm not saying don't burn gas, hell I do. I still have a '92 Blazer to get out in the woods and to tow my gas powered boat around. I'm just saying it's more than a little silly to complain about lithium and etc mining while burning gasoline.

Drive whatever you want or need. An EV is perfect for me because it will outlast every ICE car I've ever owned, is fun as hell to drive, and is by far my cheapest option long term. Even if I have to buy a new battery pack--unlikely--that's still a lot cheaper than buying a new car at 150K.
That is perhaps the best argument I've heard yet for private EV ownership! As long as it doesn't "tell me" how to drive, doesn't "report back" to the mothership about where I go, where I stop, what I do, etc., I just might consider one as as a future purchase...
 
Two 21 year old vehicles
and
One 9 year old vehicle

134,000
160,000
148,000

Not into car payments but like to buy lots of other goodies when and where I feel the itch :s0060:
 
Two 21 year old vehicles
and
One 9 year old vehicle

134,000
160,000
148,000

Not into car payments but like to buy lots of other goodies when and where I feel the itch :s0060:
One 43-year-old vehicle with 70,000± miles
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One 28-year-old vehicle with
331,300± miles
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One 8-year-old vehicle with 123,500± miles
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I, too, am no fan of the car payment, the house payment, or credit card payments. The last interest I paid was on my home mortgage, when I paid off a 30-year note in 12½ years back in early 2018. Haven't paid a cent of interest since, and I don't miss it one tiny bit... By paying any interest, it allows me to buy all the guns I could ever want. And that's a lot of guns... Jeezus, that's a lot of guns...

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First off, let me say that I don't care what other people drive as long as they're happy with their choice. Mandates not only suck, but they're counter-productive as well. So politically, we're on the same page.

Next, let's address some urban myths going around about EVs. If I drive from Camas to Lagrande in January, I imagine I'll make one stop to charge, maybe more if my bladder can't handle the drive. I'll have the heat on toasty and enjoy the drive. Summer time I'd need to charge for 17 minutes in Boardman--which is shorter than I'll need to stretch my legs and grab a drink or lunch. In January I'll probably need to charge for 25 minutes, just about what I'll need anyway for me. With an EV, you plug in and walk away, your phone lets you know when you're done. In the three years I've been driving an EV I've spent a grand total of less than an hour waiting on the car--and I've waisted zero time filling up around town. My car is always "full" before I leave home. When I go fishing in Garibaldi, I don't charge on the road at all. Plenty of juice to get over the coast range there and back with plenty to spare when I get home.

Early Teslas did have an issue with battery life--which were almost all replaced under warranty. I'm active on the Tesla forums, and hearing about a failed battery not covered under warranty is exceedingly rare. I'm sure it happens, anything can fail. But in general you can expect to get about 500,000 miles out of your battery pack. If I were to get REALLY unlucky and have to fork out $10K for a pack after 150,000 miles, the cost would would still save me about $15K over having had to buy gas instead of electricity. (Assumptions: gas car =26 mpg @ $5 gallon, My EV about 4.2 miles/kwh @ 0.08/kwh. That's $28K for gas and $3K for electricity.) And that's only if I get unlucky. We're not even counting all of the money I'll save on oil changes, brake jobs and coolant changes. Plus, the beauty of minimal switches is that fewer hard to obtain switches to replace as the car ages. (If you've ever restored cars--I have--you know that switches fail and become very difficult or impossible to find.) Now we have to count in all of the major mechanical failures that ICE cars become prone to at 150K miles. No transmission to fail with a Tesla, and the motors are likely to run forever. No, by far a good EV is the cheapest car you can buy long term. If you want to see just how well a Tesla EV is built, I'd recommend watching Sandy Munro's teardown videos of the Tesla Model Y. He's one of the most renowned experts on cars and auto manufacturing, and companies like GM, Ford, Honda, Toyota, Porsche, Mercedes, etc pay many tens of thousands of dollars for his reports. 200,000 miles without major expense? I'm thinking more like 500,000 with my car. There's a LOT fewer expensive parts on an EV than on an ICE car.

As far as the instrument panel, there's not a lot you need to see with an EV compared to ICE. Just the speedometer compared to speed, tach, oil, and coolant temp with a gas car. My eyes can quickly flick to the speedo on my center panel just as fast as if it were centered. I taught instrument cross checks as an instructor pilot in the USAF as well as over 30 years flying commercially--including captaining international widebody passenger flights around the world. So I pretty much know what I'm talking about when it comes to instrumentation.

As far as the rare minerals used in production, yep, just like a lot of what we use in life. Tesla is working on sourcing a lot of that right here, and I'm not about to go back to living in a cave. If you really want to talk about that part of it, our use of oil is propping up the world wide price--and everyone knows terrorism is mostly paid for by petro-dollars. Not to mention Russia's war time fun. I'm not saying don't burn gas, hell I do. I still have a '92 Blazer to get out in the woods and to tow my gas powered boat around. I'm just saying it's more than a little silly to complain about lithium and etc mining while burning gasoline.

Drive whatever you want or need. An EV is perfect for me because it will outlast every ICE car I've ever owned, is fun as hell to drive, and is by far my cheapest option long term. Even if I have to buy a new battery pack--unlikely--that's still a lot cheaper than buying a new car at 150K.
That actually sounds very good. And even makes me lean toward buying an EV once I'm too infirm, or poor to do my kinds of road trips thanks to dem leadership in America. They are already responsible for trashing my hopes to moving out of this hell hole of potland because of the lost retirement $$. And a thing EV proponents fail to mention is what kind of taxes are going to be put on EVs as they phase out more ICE vehicles and put the taxes on EVs to keep roads up? Not just roads but all the other, non transportation thing, the money goes to. You'll be paying that $.38/state and all the local taxes too. I'll also ask what weights are like in EV's compared to ICE vehicles? Enjoy all those saving while you can! Oregon ain't gonna let you skate saving any money for long.
 
And a thing EV proponents fail to mention is what kind of taxes are going to be put on EVs as they phase out more ICE vehicles and put the taxes on EVs to keep roads up? Not just roads but all the other, non transportation thing, the money goes to. You'll be paying that $.38/state and all the local taxes too. I'll also ask what weights are like in EV's compared to ICE vehicles? Enjoy all those saving while you can! Oregon ain't gonna let you skate saving any money for long.
Oh, I think the one thing we can count on here is more taxes, LOL. Well, I'd be laughing if it weren't true anyways... I live in Washington and we are already paying extra taxes on EVs. I think it's $200/year extra registration cost for an EV right now or threre abouts. Regardless, it's a bit more than I'd be paying in gas tax with an equivalent gas car. Plus, when I bought the car Washington tacked on an extra $400 "EV charge" to the sales tax. I think they did away with that though. I think Oregon has "EV incentives" still. I think that's BS, why should everyone else pay to help you buy a car? That's just stupid.

My Model Y weighs 4400 pounds. To put that in perspective it's fairly equivalent to a Toyota Rav4 in size, towing capacity and interior volume; a Rav4 weighs 3600 pounds. I do have a bit more cargo space if you count my frunk. (Front trunk.)
 
My camp rig…I love this and would like nothing more than to drive it full-time, but gas mileage is dismal.
But for camping, light wheeling, and nasty conditions, it's the bomb.

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You guys are just gonna agitate Andy with all that talk!
There would be a lot less agitation if folks would follow NWFA rules when posting.

These rules by the way , are the ones everyone who is a member agreed to follow when signing up.

Again...Unless it is directly 2nd Amendment related...Political content is not allowed.
Get back to the original topic.
Andy
 
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??? Do you mean slow, LOL? My EV does 0-60 in 3.5 seconds, even if the road is wet. Very, very few cars keep up with me. A Hellcat can beat me at the track, but on the street no way is he going to get enough traction to keep up with me.
No, I mean CREEPY!

Especially in a dark, underground parking lot when you THOUGHT you were the only person down there.
Walking past a row of parked cars, then suddenly, this thing begins to roll out...but there's no noise! :s0001: :eek:

Freaking CREEPY dude!
 

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